MLB decides to move All-star game and draft from Georgia
I specifically said the ID issue is NOT THE ISSUE. So the whole first half of your post is inane.
Are you suggesting that the only way for someone to know that there are polling loc... you know what? This is a waste of my time. You're pulling your "info" straight from Fox, or some other far right wing outlet. I know this because you're specifically dancing around the key issues, while making it sound like you aren't. I have neither the time, nor inclination to go further with you.
I civilly addressed the direct talking points you yourself brought up, so how am I the one dancing around the key issues? I could ask you why you chose to omit these key issues in your original post if they are so important in the first place? By accusing me of dancing around the key issues, aren’t you instead actually accusing yourself of dancing around these key issues since I only responded to your original chosen points?
Yes, you said the ID is a non-issue, but since it was referenced in your post, I decided to address it too. There are a lot of people outraged about the ID requirements even if you claim that is not part of the outrage.
By the way, none of what I wrote came from Foxnews or far right media. I stated them as facts because I actually read the bill. Have you?
Anyway, I am sorry to have offended you by attempting to engage you in a discussion you chose to enter of your own accord. I’m also sorry for having a different opinion and being a complete waste of your time. It was never my intention to waste such a valuable asset as time. Each of us only get so much of it, so I am sorry to have wasted both yours and mine. I think it best if we both head our separate ways and have a drink. I’m going to break out some bourbon and let us say cheers to our Wolverines. Go blue!
TL:DR I’m sorry. Life is short. Time for Bourbon, any recommendations? Go Blue!
Just want to point out that 7-7 is not the same as 9-5. In fact that’s a reduction of 4 hours. So you contradicted yourself there.
I didn’t contradict myself. The 9-5 is a MINIMUM that only applies to early voting, where a minimum had not been previously stated. That means there might not even be a change in how long the polls stay open because they can still keep them open from 7AM-7PM during early voting if they want. They also added an additional Saturday to early voting. The rule does not in fact reduce the hours by 4, but instead guarantees they have to be open at least 8 hours during early voting and at least 12 hours on Election Day.
thats why theyre moving the All Star game/draft???
This country is fucked. This must be what the beginning of the fall of Rome felt like.
Because requiring an ID is racist??
Congratluations MLB, Maduro approves!
Hi Yossarian - your neighbor then wouldn't be able to vote under his own name so he only gets to cast one vote. And once you come in, you'll find out someone else voted in your name and there will be an investigation and you will likely be able to fill out a provisional ballot. And what your neighbor did is voter fraud and he would go to jail. That's why people don't just go and vote under other people's names just for the hell of it.
And just because something might happen or can happen, doesn't mean it actually does happen. We never needed voter ID in the past but now there's supposedly all this fraud happening all the time now (except no one can actually find any of proof it) so now we need to card people when they come to vote. But, what really happened in that time is that the Republican party started losing elections in areas they could've won. And these are all tactics to make voting more difficult, especially for populations, that vote for their opponents.
LOL ok MLB. More and more irrelevant every day.
Know who's not irrelevant?
Coke, Delta, and other large corporations planning a similar move.
Imagine being a lefty and siding with megacorp lol
i don't see how being left-handed has anything to do with this.
Imagine being a righty and going to war with corporate America. lol
I’d be willing to bet there are lots of left-handed people working at Coca Cola and Delta.
Imagine calling yourself the party of Abraham Lincoln and supporting voter access restrictions targeting minorities to prevent non-existent large scale voter fraud.
Targeting minorities, how? Are they less able to get an ID? Not even a driver's license is needed - a state ID will do.
And how do you feel about a Covid ID or "pass" that people want EVERYONE to have to be able to resume normal life? Is that ok?
I’m guessing you actually don’t really care to know or you could have googled this yourself. But just to show you that this is backed by real evidence (as opposed to wide spread voter fraud concerns) here is a link. There are plenty of other studies as well. A better question you should ask is, “if there is zero evidence of wide spread fraud, why take these actions?” Then apply occums razor to answer that question.
LOL!
In all the states I have gotten non drivers license state IDs in (Maryland, Michigan and New Jersey), I can tell you that it is kind of a pain in the ass if you don’t drive a car. It shouldn’t be surprising that the DMV doesn’t care about making their offices particularly accessible to those who can’t drive. I suspect it is even harder if you are poor and/or homeless.
The pass makes sense to ensure I'm not sitting next to an immature, idiotic anti-vaxer on a 13 hour flight to Asia.
Thanks for outing yourself as a guy who sucks at science.
Imagine thinking voting access is a "lefty" idea.
If you run a large corporation today, you simply can't afford to disagree with whatever the current woke cause celebre is at the time. You want no controversy around your brand, and it's far easier to to do what Coke etc. are doing than to simply say nothing, or, god forbid, disagree with the current perception. Or at least that's what most CEO's believe- some are actually leftish and do believe protesting the GA thing is the right thing to do, the rest don't want the social media hassle.
Voter access is not a woke cause. It’s literally the fucking thing our nation went to a fucking war to fucking achieve. Stop trying to bucket everything into this asinine narrative about woke culture or cancel culture to fit your pretty little narrative.
Prefacing everything with “fucking” just makes it sound like you’re trying to add weight to your point. Just sayin.
Yes. I know. That’s why I used the word. Thanks.
So is it also cancel culture when ETSU "fired" its basketball coach for supporting his players kneeling? Or... when right-wingers try to boycott Starbucks when it makes a new coffee cup design that doesn't jive with Christmas enough?
Hmm.
You sound like a person who has never worked for a major corporation.
All of them have well-developed programs to promote inclusion of women and minorities. This is not just a "CEO" thing.
Tip of the cap to them for being a part of trying to erase inequity in the US.
LOL - solely because they feel it will impact their bottom lines.
Delta for example, was in FAVOR of the restrictions...until the threats of boycotts became real.
Now that Georgia is rescinding their sweetheart deal on fuel as a result of their reneging - let's see which way that willow blows in THAT wind.
Corporate influence is everywhere in politics. Corporate donations to candidates, corporate lobbyists, Citizens United......it's all about the money. If that's the way the game is played, then all teams need to play the same game. One side can't create an environment where they benefit from that influence and not expect the other side to use the same weapons to their advantage. But from a larger perspective, voting is a right afforded to every citizen. We should make it easier, not harder, for people to vote.
This is pretty notable. The same people who shout about “cancel culture” also scream to promote capitalism. I say pick one. The MLB made their choice after Georgia made theirs.Seems fair to me in a democracy.
That’s right, and super fair, but it is what typically happens next that people have a problem with. People that don’t support the decision of the MLB, for whatever reason, are then called “small minded” or “racist” or worse. Isn’t that a choice as well to disagree and take their money elsewhere.
I guess I don’t mind the MLB moving it, but hope people don’t mind people taking their money elsewhere as well that don’t agree with the MLB, or decisions that are being made that are similar.
every one is open to their own opinion, just don’t get upset when a major company or organization takes a different route (in this case moves states) because of views that don’t match those of their consumers.
the MLB is finding a more friendly place that they feel represents their values and will not harm their brand = democracy/capitalism
People can provide whatever reasons they want for or against a decision and should be judged on those merits. I agree calling people "small minded" or "racist" reflexively is bad, but I also don't think it's wrong to point out that if your argument is "voter integrity" then evidence that it's a vanishingly small issue and that 89% of 300+ voter restriction bills brought in states recently were solely or significantly sponsored by the GOP. If that insinuates that one's rationalizations might be mere pretext, so be it.
I don't for a minute believe that the MLB is doing this because they are suddenly "woke" about voter suppression of POC. It's all about money and exposure to negative PR, and yet I'm fine if that encourages their actions.
I don’t claim at all that the MLB is woke. So in that sense i think we agree. i just think it’s their choice to be made and they clearly made it based on pressure from enough people who made it worth going against this law.
i have been trying to not getting into politics of the law, though. namely because the secretary of state of georgia called their previous election the most free and fair election ever...
It's totally fair to point out that there is little evidence of this (lack of vote integrity) being a big issue. I believe that's an accurate statement. I also believe it's completely fair to make rules ensuring vote integrity. When cars arrived we didn't wait for evidence that running a stoplight was dangerous before saying that shouldn't allowed. Or any other crime or misdemeanor. It's perfectly legitimate to say hmm "this current situation has a potential for fraud, so let's reduce that potential." Arguing against that is totally fair too.
My counter is that we have laws in place that have successfully prevented anything remotely close to substantial voter fraud; the 2020 elections were the most "secure" in the history of this country. If your goal is 100% success rate new laws aren't going to accomplish that, especially not ones being suggested by this Georgia bill. This "the current situation has a potential for fraud" line is pure fantasy; using your analysis we could just eliminate driving all together to dramatically reduce the risk of vehicular injury. Now, we do have a lot of evidence from 2020 that one party tried really hard to limit the votes of the other side,
And more pointedly, I find it interesting that the party which staunchly opposes even the slight tightening of restrictions/integrity around gun ownership (which we've seen absolutely have significant holes ripe for abuse) as tantamount to oppression is suddenly quite concerned about a non-issue being made even less of an issue.
If you've got evidence that these types of laws will fix actual problems with the current electoral system in this country, by all means share it.
it’s honestly not fair to try to do this in states you know who went nuts making false claims in .... cmon
it’s racist.
"I think solving an issue that doesn't exist is fine even though it suppresses votes"
- You
Good for them!
Good, let's not support a state that deliberately are trying to suppress votes because a certain political party cannot win a majority.
Simple truth.
Interested in your specific take on how the law will suppress votes. Do you have an example?
This, folks, is how sea lioning is done
Here my friends is a prime example of JAQing off (Just asking questions)
Rule #1:never surrender to the outrage mob and don’t apologize for your actions if they’re not wrong.
put another way: don’t offer your neck to the ones operating the guillotine.
The outrage mob is stupid and motivated almost entirely by the ability to force you to do what they want. Whether its wrong or right about a certain topic is irrelevant. The best course of action for this was to ignore it completely. No statement, no nothing. Now they’ve given out their position which would have alienated a good portion of their dwindling fan base regardless of which position they take.
It's kind of hard for a league that holds up Jackie Robinson as a revered figure to just ignore the fact that this state wants to bring us back to those days. There are 49 other states where they can hold the All-Star game.
I vote to move the game to Alaska!!!
Why not? They could be a play a double-header under the Midnight Sun!
The outrage mob is stupid and motivated almost entirely by the ability to force you to do what they want
Just to check, are we talking about the MLB as the "outrage mob", or the state legislature that rolled back fifty years of voting rights because they fabricated a bunch of debunked theories around rampant voter fraud as the "outrage mob"?
Whether its wrong or right about a certain topic is irrelevant.
Because as we've seen throughout history, not standing up for something you may believe is wrong in order to save yourself from public ridicule always works out best.