Leaders And Best

November 1st, 2017 at 12:30 PM ^

Michigan's medical school delta relative to MSU and other med schools is greater than Michigan's undergrad to its peers. This is the case for most of Michigan's grad programs.

There are a lot less medical schools (and graduate in general) than undergrad programs so making this comparison is difficult as any medical school is usually better than not getting into medical school. But if you are looking at just where they rank on the spectrum, I think the delta is greater.

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Sam1863

November 2nd, 2017 at 5:30 AM ^

My personal shout-out goes to their College of Veterinary Medicine, which was ranked #5 in the country this year.

My cat had to go through surgery this summer to remove a cancerous thyroid. He was sick, and I was sick with worry. But I was reassured to see that the vet who diagnosed him was an MSU grad, and the surgeon was an MSU faculty member. They treated him like gold, and the surgery was a success. Prognosis remains to be seen, but I can't fault the care they gave him.

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LSAClassOf2000

November 1st, 2017 at 9:29 AM ^

"For a college that's perpetually been dubbed an underdog, MSU sure has spent a lot of time quietly dominating its chest-thumping rival," the expert concludes. "They throw better parties, too, and have the charred couches to prove it."

So THAT'S the problem...we don't barbecue nearly enough furniture in Ann Arbor. I get it now. 

One trip to the thrift shop will fix that, right?

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Soulfire21

November 1st, 2017 at 9:35 AM ^

The criteria are "food, drink, and travel" but really it just mentions how they've beaten us on the football field a lot lately, which, if that's your criteria then sure.

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Amaizing Blue

November 1st, 2017 at 9:52 AM ^

He's waiting until a list of Michigan colleges and universities come out that doesn't have us ranked in the top 10.  Then he'll concern-post about our low ranking and somehow blame it on Beilein and Harbaugh.

 

Edit:  Missed it by THAT much...

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jgoblue11

November 1st, 2017 at 10:28 AM ^

My vet here in southwest Michigan is owned by a Husband and Wife. They are both Michigan State Grads and extremely nice people and very knowledgeable when it comes to my pup. Awesome people, but the MSU decor in the office is not very nice to look at. Around me, you are either a Wolverine (and awesome) a Notre Domer (fucking annoying) or a Sparty. I'll take the Sparties over the Domers any day of the week.

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Bando Calrissian

November 1st, 2017 at 11:36 AM ^

For all these talk of MSU parties being better... All my friends who went there were shocked to learn that you don't have to hand over $5 for a solo cup when you go to a party at Michigan. So there's that.

On a serious note, let's be honest here: MSU was a pretty average state school for a very long time. It's gotten much, much better over the last 15 years or so. Every Spartan grad I know (and I went to school with/know/am related to a LOT of them, being a Michigander) got a great job, right out of school, no problem. They all had great internships in school, got great training to get them ready for the real world, and rave about the education they received. Spartan grads kill it out there.

Is it Michigan? No. But is it an unredeemable cow college? Absolutely not. If anything, I think their commitment to actually being a state school that prides itself on in-state students and contributing to the state economy is pretty admirable. 

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The Mad Hatter

November 1st, 2017 at 12:32 PM ^

I had a conversation with a colleague yesterday.  Her daughter is a freshman at MSU and mine is a freshman at Michigan.

She told me that her daughter hates it and wants to transfer asap.  Why?  Because everyone in her dorm is wasted all the time.  All they do is party.  And the kids that want to study or go home on a weekend get teased and bullied.

Very different than living in Bursley.

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MSEESchiganfan

November 2nd, 2017 at 6:56 AM ^

Agree but its not just the environment.  My son, also a freshman at Mich, has several high school friends that went to state.  While home a couple wknds ago, he showed me both his first calc exam, and the first exam his friends had for calc at state.  Big difference.  Not to say state isnt a good school - it is, but it is not on par with michigan.

I could have done well on the state exam and i havent had calc for 30 yrs. 

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Jimmyisgod

November 2nd, 2017 at 1:11 PM ^

I have co-workers whose kids didn't get into MSU with 3.7s and good SATs.  They've totally elevated their standards and there are kids with 3.9s not getting in unless they have the test scores now.

Still not as hard as Michigan to get into, but pretty close now.  The average GPA accepted to MSU is less than a 10th of a point less than Michigan now.

So the jackasses that went to MSU in the 80s and 90s, wouldn't have a prayer of getting accepted now, LOL.  Up until the last decade it was basically 3.2 or 3.3 out of high school and you got accepted to MSU as long as you took basic college prep courses and scored mid 20s ACT wise.  Today, don't even apply with less than a 3.5, and if your GPA is that low you better have 30s on the ACT.

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StephenRKass

November 1st, 2017 at 11:58 AM ^

I have several thoughts.

  1. By most any metric, Michigan is better than MSU. That's obvious enough. So this was either a troll job by a Michigan grad, or written by a Spartan slappy.
  2. It really shouldn't get under your skin. I don't think Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Cornell, Stanford, University of Chicago, Northwestern worry too much about what someone writes about them. They're elite and they know it. If you're elite, this rolls right off your back, and you can smile condescendingly and arrogantly.
  3. MSU and OSU have really improved a lot since I was a student in the late 70's and early 80's. I have an old housemate from UofM who is now a tenured prof at MSU in entomology. He did undergrad in the School of Natural Resources. MSU has good programs in agriculture, animal science, food science, vet school, and several other programs.
  4. While I love Michigan football, it really is irrelevant to the kind of school and town Michigan and Ann Arbor are. Honestly, most of the best sports schools are not the best schools. I guess Stanford football, Duke basketball, and Michigan are exceptions, but most of the best football and basketball schools are not all that great academically.

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Bando Calrissian

November 1st, 2017 at 12:19 PM ^

  1. It really shouldn't get under your skin. I don't think Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Cornell, Stanford, University of Chicago, Northwestern worry too much about what someone writes about them. They're elite and they know it. If you're elite, this rolls right off your back, and you can smile condescendingly and arrogantly.

You ever talked to an administrator from one of those institutions? They freak out when they drop a spot in the rankings as if it's the end of the world. You'd think the difference between #7 and #8 wouldn't be that big of a deal, but it is. It really, really is. It's basically their job to make their schools more elite, and keep it that way.

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PrincetonBlue

November 1st, 2017 at 12:45 PM ^

The reason students at those schools don’t care is because they learn very quickly that being at a particular school isn’t a free ticket to success. No one has time to defend the supposed prestige of their school when they are trying their best not to be trampled over by their classmates.

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StephenRKass

November 1st, 2017 at 11:58 AM ^

I have several thoughts.

  1. By most any metric, Michigan is better than MSU. That's obvious enough. So this was either a troll job by a Michigan grad, or written by a Spartan slappy.
  2. It really shouldn't get under your skin. I don't think Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Cornell, Stanford, University of Chicago, Northwestern worry too much about what someone writes about them. They're elite and they know it. If you're elite, this rolls right off your back, and you can smile condescendingly and arrogantly.
  3. MSU and OSU have really improved a lot since I was a student in the late 70's and early 80's. I have an old housemate from UofM who is now a tenured prof at MSU in entomology. He did undergrad in the School of Natural Resources. MSU has good programs in agriculture, animal science, food science, vet school, and several other programs.
  4. While I love Michigan football, it really is irrelevant to the kind of school and town Michigan and Ann Arbor are. Honestly, most of the best sports schools are not the best schools. I guess Stanford football, Duke basketball, and Michigan are exceptions, but most of the best football and basketball schools are not all that great academically.

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NRK

November 1st, 2017 at 12:28 PM ^

This isn't hard. Bottom of the article states:

 

Kevin Alexander, Wil Fulton, Mike Jordan, Andy Kryza, Matt Lynch, and Matt Meltzer contributed (in a completely unbiased manner, we swear) to this story.

Andy Kryza bio:

 

Thrillist senior editor Andy Kryza is a longtime writer and graduate of Michigan State's School of Journalism.

 

So yeah, MSU grad makes a bunch of Walmart Wolverine references and thinks his school is better. Or basically every Spartan fan I know ever. Totally not a complex.

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bringthewood

November 1st, 2017 at 1:14 PM ^

I did not know Nihilists had their own website for content like this.

Philosophy.
an extreme form of skepticism: the denial of all real existence or the possibility of an objective basis for truth.
nothingness or nonexistence.
 
T think there was just a mispelling in the mlive article

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