Qmatic

May 30th, 2023 at 4:56 PM ^

Brown was a great coach for a good bit of time, but damn stubborn as hell. You cannot knock his work with the Front-4. His ability to churn out NFL pass rushers from guys we didn’t expect (Uche, Chase, and to an extent Paye; along with unlocking Taco) was phenomenal.

His blitz heavy stuff worked when you were able to send Devin Bush and put guys like Lewis and Long on an island. Not so much when he expected a lot of side to side stuff out of someone like Ross who was suited for the box, and players like Watson chasing slots and Gray in 1-1 on the outside.

The Homie J

May 30th, 2023 at 5:35 PM ^

A 1-11 start ain't great, but it also seems fine considering that it's UMass.  And our old friend Jedd Fisch (who tookover from Kevin "just here for a paycheck" Sumlin) started 1-11 as well, and nearly got an awful U of A team to a bowl last year.  So Don's got time to turn it around

WesternWolverine96

May 30th, 2023 at 4:38 PM ^

I wonder what would have happened to DB if we wouldn't have been cheated at OSU for the fake first down spot in 2016?  Would we have performed better in recruiting and therefore been able to cover a crossing route?

 

I will always like Don Brown even if never beat OSU in his tenure.

Colt Burgess

May 30th, 2023 at 6:29 PM ^

The 2016 OSU game was the worst officiated game of any sport I have ever seen, And it wasn't incompetence. It was  blatant cheating. I still can't believe what I saw, and what makes it worse is that I have yet to meet a Buckeye fan who will admit that any of the calls were bad. Never feel sorry for them.  

rice4114

May 30th, 2023 at 6:59 PM ^

The one thing I will say about fans is they look for injustice on their side and their side only. For instance Ive been watching Michigan football for over 40 years and can name at least a half dozen ref jobs that cost us a game and not one that some other team got screwed on. That probably means I wouldnt care at all if it looked like the refs were cheating on our behalf versus OSU we would take the win and go about our merry way. 

EGD

May 31st, 2023 at 10:51 AM ^

I can name two questionable calls that led to Michigan wins:

  • M @ Illinois in 2000: A-train fumbled as M was going in for the winning score late and Illinois recovered. However, the officials ruled that the play had been blown dead before the fumble so M kept possession.
  • Penn State @ M in 2002: Late in the 4th quarter, Penn State throws a pass and the receiver catches it along the sidelines. Gets both feet in-bounds, but the officials rule him out. The play would have set Penn State up for a game-winning FGA. Instead, M forces the game to OT and wins.

But your point stands. I could probably think of at least 10 lousy calls that cost M wins (or chances to win).

gruden

May 31st, 2023 at 11:11 AM ^

To me that's apples/oranges, simply because those games pre-dated in-game video review.  Refs screwed up calls all the time, going both ways. 

Refs blow plays dead prematurely all the time.  That affects every team.

I've seen games where refs are fairly consistently spotting the ball favorably/unfavorably to a team.  It happens, and not just to M.  Hiring a partisan ref and another ref that had disciplined for botching calls for The Game, I mean c'mon, what kind of outcome would you expect when you do that?

Rhino77

May 30th, 2023 at 7:47 PM ^

How? We had sub par QB play and the roster was not yet up to snuff with OSU. 
 

Auburn beating Alabama every few years is exactly where Michigan would have been if they won in 2016. A false sense of greatness. 
 

Now though, Michigan is set to compete and beat OSU on a yearly basis. 

gruden

May 31st, 2023 at 11:16 AM ^

Yes, except at QB. 

What the previous poster stated about execution gaffes by M in the 2016 game is what prevents me from getting to focused on the bad spot.  M had a chance to win that game but made too many mistakes.  If you put the game in the hands of partisan/incompetent refs, you get what you get and it sucks.

Savoy88

May 30th, 2023 at 7:00 PM ^

Chuck Norris doesn't crack bucknuts. He crushes them with his sheer will at a rate of 23-45 per second. Other times at 27-42.

Chuck Norris's furnishing/decorating style isn't Spartan. He just has "Tom Izzo Being a Little Crybaby Day-to-Day" wallpaper.

blueandmaizeballs

May 30th, 2023 at 10:56 PM ^

Was reading the comments and it turned into something other than the transfer but word is if he likes what he sees and hears he is commiting.   He is a bigger CB at 6 foot 1 and 190 or so.  He also is a 2 time captain which Michigan likes it get in the transfer I believe 4 or 5 of the other FB transfers were captains also.  

blueandmaizeballs

May 31st, 2023 at 7:53 PM ^

He could dunk pretty easily in high school and was offered to play DiV 1 basketball out of highschool, so he is pretty athletic and explosive but as far as football numbers I couldn't find any.  The offers he is getting out of the portal suggests he has some good talent because alot of good teams are going after him.   One team that is weird is PSU cause they had a good CB leave be suse he wasn't going to start over the other 2 at PSU.  King is everyone's All-American this year or one of the first CB to go in the draft.   Sucks we missed out on him right in our backyard. 

bsand2053

May 31st, 2023 at 4:35 AM ^

The Don Brown revisionism on this message board is insane.  He was a great fucking coach who got got by Ryan Day.  It happens and Harbaugh was right to move on but let’s not act like he was a bum.

Anyways, I’d love to have this kid.  I’m sure he’s great at press man!

Sam Wheat

May 31st, 2023 at 8:26 AM ^

100%. There are subtle levels of ability and how good a player or coach might be. In today’s world, especially out here on the boards or Twitter, everyone is really good or awful with no nuance or shades of gray. Don was a great coach here for a period of time. Day and his thin DL recruiting were his kryptonite. We also need to remember the lean years offensively where his D got little support. I am thinking of 2019 vs Iowa for example. I think that was. 10-3 win at home where the O was fairly putrid. In many games the offense would leave the D with little room for error. 

MGoRedemption

May 31st, 2023 at 8:41 AM ^

still a little cheesed off he pretty much tanked the DT position. Didn't have a prayer stopping Wisconsin and any team that wanted to run right up the middle. I also didn't like how there were several plays per game where we got caught with our pants down because we were predictably aggressive. I think big ten coaches had Brown's scheme downloaded by 2018. 

dragonchild

May 31st, 2023 at 11:15 AM ^

I wonder. His D-line coach was Greg Mattison and our DT depth cratered due to injuries, recruiting losses and transfers before Mattison went to. . . Ohio State, with Brown’s playbook in hand.

Not that it would’ve helped Brandon Watson cover crossing routes, but for this part I think it’s more likely Mattison salted the earth on his way out.