Lady Wolverines Complete Season Sweep of MSU
I didn't see a board post on this, and since the Lady Wolverines stomped Sparty, they deserve some love too.
Comeback win to take the game 77-67 and complete the regular season sweep!
https://mgoblue.com/news/2023/2/5/womens-basketball-wolverines-complete-season-sweep-of-msu.aspx
February 5th, 2023 at 10:47 PM ^
Awesome work ladies!
February 5th, 2023 at 11:43 PM ^
A 44-27 2nd half beat down at Breslin!
Leigha Brown with 29 pts, 12 rebs, and 8 assists.
February 6th, 2023 at 12:29 AM ^
Maybe this is just me, but while they are ladies and they are Wolverines, Michigan's women's teams are not Lady Wolverines. I've always appreciated that both the men and women at Michigan are Wolverines.
February 6th, 2023 at 1:19 AM ^
Well I'm glad they don't take this in TENNESSEE. Thus the term LADY VOLS, would be such a turn off.
February 6th, 2023 at 1:42 AM ^
Yup, I've always disliked "Lady Vols." To me, it's a distinction between real Volunteers and the Lady Vols. My attempts to get "Gentlemen Vols" to catch on have been unsuccessful so far.
February 6th, 2023 at 5:43 AM ^
Tennessee (and Texas, and others) actually had designated ADs for their women's sports for a long time.
The position eventually evolved into the SWA designation (Senior Woman Administrator).
But yes, Michigan is not the Lady anything, they're all Wolverines.
February 6th, 2023 at 8:43 AM ^
Having grown up in Atlanta, this is very much a southern thing. It's always been "Lady Dawgs" and "Lady Jackets" for the local teams. And yes, Lady Vols, Lady Gators, Lady Tigers, etc.
Funnily enough, if you look at the espn team pages for the women's teams for UGA, UF, and UT, it shows "lady" as a descriptor (not intended as links below, just to show the URL)
- https://www.espn.com/womens-college-basketball/team/_/id/61/georgia-lady-bulldogs
- https://www.espn.com/womens-college-basketball/team/schedule/_/id/57/florida-lady-gators
- https://www.espn.com/womens-college-basketball/team/_/id/2633/tennessee-lady-volunteers
- https://www.espn.com/womens-college-basketball/team/_/id/130/michigan-wolverines
I've never heard of Big Ten teams referred to as Lady Buckeyes or Lady Badgers.
February 6th, 2023 at 1:54 PM ^
Correct.
I was going to add that, but it leans into culture and politics if you get too deep into it and it wasn't meant to be that serious.
There is also the weird thing where men often use "females" or "ladies" instead of just saying "women." But that's also a whole separate conversation.
In short, just the Wolverines. Easy correction, no offense meant. 😁
February 6th, 2023 at 10:42 AM ^
To me, it's a distinction between real Volunteers and the Lady Vols.
Only in your world.
Nobody is trying to imply anything negative in the least; just the professionally outraged look for faults like this.
I guess espn com should get rid of the NCAAM and NCAAW menu items as well then because one could imply the "W" isn't real basketball players.
My attempts to get "Gentlemen Vols" to catch on have been unsuccessful so far
Weird huh?!
February 6th, 2023 at 10:54 AM ^
I guess espn com should get rid of the NCAAM and NCAAW menu items as well then because one could imply the "W" isn't real basketball players.
I feel like you're missing my point if this is your example. ESPN is treating them equally here, the men have M and the women have W. Neither is being labeled as primary sport or the secondary sport.
February 6th, 2023 at 11:02 AM ^
The definition of "lady vols" doesn't mean secondary sport either.
February 6th, 2023 at 1:02 PM ^
"lady vols" has become accepted in no small part because the pat summitt teams were so dominant while the moniker was in use. i suspect the name would be long gone if they'd been mediocre.
fun fact - they were originally the "volettes," which seems even more sexist and paternalistic to me. "lady vols" seems like a just slightly less ridiculous version of the same thing.
February 6th, 2023 at 2:41 PM ^
When people in here like ZooWolverine, in the year 2023, and after 2+ generations of Americans growing up in a Title IX world, still go to place where they see the word "lady" and their mind translates that to "secondary" -- that's the problem.
February 6th, 2023 at 4:09 PM ^
I'll try one more time, but I think you're determined to miss the point, so I'll let it go after this.
As has been very clear, it's not the term "lady" that is secondary. The first response to the post was "Awesome work ladies!" which is great.
What, to me, is secondary is the addition of a term to only the women's team. If someone talks about a "doctor" and a "lady doctor," they are clearly expressing one as the norm and the other as outside the norm, which is why that term has mostly died off. To my ear, the term "Lady Wolverines" is expressing the same thing and I pushed back against that usage, which comes up occasionally on this site. A Michigan team, be it men's or women's, is the Wolverines.
If you want to get up in arms about "Lady Vols" feel free. I dislike it, but I don't really care that much--it was only brought up by someone else in what I think was a defense towards calling Michigan the "Lady Wolverines." But for what it's worth, per the link posted by The Maize Halo, Tennessee has apparently dropped the "Lady Vols" moniker from every sport except women's basketball where, as matty blue points out, it has a strong connection with the Pat Summitt era.
February 6th, 2023 at 5:05 PM ^
lol.
i will bet you any amount of money that most of the players on this team - and, in all likelihood, most of every women's team in the country - would prefer that they not be referred to as the "lady" version of their school's men's team. that pat summitt thought "lady vols" was an acceptable alternative to "volettes," or that kim fucking mulkey thinks it's some sort of "aw shucks, it's just southern hospitality" or whatever isn't really germane, either. times and societal mores change.
kim barnes arico would never, under any circumstances, call her team the "lady wolverines," because she knows that it's yet another way for meatheads to treat her team as something less than the men's team. which it does, and you know that, which is why you've got such an axe to grind about it. i'm guessing you were fine with the previous names of the washington football team and cleveland baseball teams...i mean, why is everyone so sensitive these days? wokeness!
spare me your invocation of title ix to make your point. title ix didn't solve gender inequity in sports, just as the ADA didn't solve discrimination against people in wheelchairs, and the election of barack obama didn't solve racism in this country.
February 6th, 2023 at 5:11 PM ^
which is why you've got such an axe to grind about it. i'm guessing you were fine with the previous names of the washington football team and cleveland baseball teams
You can can take your ad hominem and go fuck yourself.
lol.
February 6th, 2023 at 9:39 PM ^
i think my previous statement - specifically, “lol” - is sufficient here.
i will not be taking further questions at this time.
February 6th, 2023 at 1:29 AM ^
Not just you.
And Hail to the Victors! Got a road win vs Sparty, with Laila Phelia still out, and only Leigha Brown & Maddie Nolan scoring in double figures.
February 6th, 2023 at 11:10 AM ^
we were missing greta kampschroeder, too - she took a major (and cheap shot) elbow to the chin on thursday night and didn't make the trip. we probably could've used her, too - we definitely struggled with the press early and needed as many ballhandlers as we could get.
February 6th, 2023 at 11:16 AM ^
100% agree with this. I hate the "Lady" moniker. Seems to me as a method to devalue the women's teams at particular southern schools.
I've always believed that the women's teams are all Wolverines, just like the men's teams.
February 6th, 2023 at 1:58 PM ^
When it comes to OSU.
Feel free to use "winner," "parents" or "Buckeye Bullies" when referring to our FB, MBB and WBB teams.
February 6th, 2023 at 12:24 PM ^
"Those are no ladies, those are my wives. " -- Warren Jeffs
February 6th, 2023 at 3:46 AM ^
So, on the hard court, Michigan’s women’s basketball team defeated the Spartans twice this season - the second victory on Sunday.
MSU’s men’s basketball team lost on Saturday.
Ohio State’s men’s basketball team lost to Michigan on Sunday afternoon.
And, on Friday and Saturday, Wisconsin’s mens hockey team lost both games to Michigan.
All I can think is…
”It’s great, to be, a Michigan Wolverine…”
Go Blue!
February 6th, 2023 at 5:38 AM ^
*Wolverines
February 6th, 2023 at 6:38 AM ^
Yeah we don’t do the “lady” thing here. That’s for southern states and rural high schools.
It creates unnecessary division between the "real" (men's) sports and the "other" (women's) sports. It's like saying they aren't athletes -- just women trying to play the sport to the best of their ability.
February 6th, 2023 at 11:18 AM ^
yeah, i'm not wild about it, either. i will say or write "the michigan women," as in "the women beat a thuggish sparty team on sunday, as...", but "lady wolverines" seems like something that the men in charge of athletic departments would have done decades ago because women are so fragile and unable to be true athletes.
i hadn't read that USA Today piece - that they interviewed noted ghoul / racist / gay hater kim mulkey as being in favor of it just tips the scales further in my mind. if there's an argument about something, being 180 degrees opposite of that shithead is a pretty good way to refine one's position.
i'd also add - kim likes to talk about her team as a "powerful women club," and i'm about 99% certain she and her players would blanch at "lady wolverines." that's good enough for me.
February 6th, 2023 at 1:19 PM ^
Oh for sure -- I'm sorry I wasn't more clear. You're point got it exactly right. It's perfectly fine to say "the women's team" or "women's basketball" or something of the like because that's what they are. It's using the "Lady" title or changing the nickname to make it a feminine type that feels wrong in this day and age. Like you said, it makes it sound as though it's just the dainty girls out there having their little fun.
February 6th, 2023 at 8:34 AM ^
That's great. Go Blue!
Thanks for posting. I had seen the news, not the video.
February 6th, 2023 at 9:07 AM ^
Let’s go blue
February 6th, 2023 at 9:54 AM ^
They are having a great season and are battling for hosting first and second round ncaa tourney games again. Place should be sold out for this team even if they are a step below nationally elite
February 6th, 2023 at 11:25 AM ^
Yeah, really good chance to make it back to the Sweet Sixteen despite losing Naz. KBA has it going. Next year's class is 3 top 100 girls, though no 5*s. Have a 5* PG coming in 2024 though. Which is definitely a position of need, with Leigha Brown stepping in this year and playing very well at not her natural position.
February 6th, 2023 at 11:39 AM ^
100%. it seems like each year's class is just a bit better than the last, to the point where she's in the mix for - and landing - top-ten recruits. that's new.
we're not a death star, but right now, i'm not sure there's still a ceiling on the program. that's remarkable.
February 6th, 2023 at 10:20 AM ^
As an aside - the B1G seems to have "stepped up" the quality of Women's Basketball play. Six of the AP Top 25 teams are in the B1G (according to the Coaches' Poll) - and, you can add a seventh, if you look at "other teams getting votes".
KBA and the team have definitely become more visible in the sport.
Go Blue!
February 6th, 2023 at 3:01 PM ^
The whole debate about the Lady Wolverines moniker had me curious, so I looked it up and found that for members of the mustelidae (weasel) family, which includes wolverines, you call males "hobs", females "jills", and babies "kits"
That said, gender specific language has generally fallen out of favor in this day and age so there's no reason that we musteline to such a dated paradigm.