Kaleb brown commits to OSU
Im so tired of losing recruits that were a Michigan lean to OSU
Let's keep telling ourselves that. I'm sure that'll work.
it's going to keep happening unless we can break this dismal 20 year period.
I am beginning to think things are going to be changing soon. A couple of big(ger) money donors that I know are walking away.
Actually beating them on the field more than once in a blue moon (or even just losing by fewer than six touchdowns) might be a good way to start winning some recruiting battles against them. Just sayin'.
how to accomplish this:
Step 1: fire harbaugh
Step 2: hire a competent coach
Michigan football is like the chicken and egg concept. We need to recruit higher rated athletes. How do you do that, you win a lot of game. To win a lot games you need a lot of highly rated athletes on your roster. How do you recruit better, you need to win more games.
They actually throw the ball, try to score points, and aren't committed to running as few plays as possible every game. Why wouldn't he go there?
Psh... what kind of WR wants to catch passes and score touchdowns when you could be blocking for a poorly executed RPO?
Fire harbaugh find a coach that can beat Ohio state and you would win these recruiting battles
I think we should start by doing what many pretend we are already doing, beat everybody but Ohio State. That will get us closer to them and then we'll see what happens.
To have any shot at that, we need to play everyone at home.
Maybe
That's a pretty tough order, just look at the talent on both teams. Even if OSU has a bad game they would probably still beat us. However, their coaches get them fired up for our game and they have been blowing us out on the road and at home. I don't see anything that can change this. Even if you bring in a new coach, I doubt he will beat a team loaded with 5 and 4 star athletes. The problem is the 4 team playoffs have created 3 super elite teams in college football and too bad for us, one of them resides in Columbus!
At least since we’re bad, we deny OSU the enjoyment of meaningful and exciting rivalry games
*Loses recruit to OSU*
*Acts surprised”
*Politely goes forward and this exits the mind in < 2 seconds
Who cares anymore? When one person has the answers to the test and the other doesn’t, it’s stupid to act surprised about different grades.
Go play school, Kaleb.
If Michigan paid players we would get the death penalty from the NCAA. Look at what happened when one of RR staffers extended practice time by a few minutes. Also, NCAA came down hard on our basketball program when a donor threw money to get the fab 5 here. I guess the elite teams don't get any sanctions. Also, OSU is always in the playoffs with a chance to win the NC. Kids also like that their players get coached up and improve year by year and are drafted high in the NFL. Until the playoffs are expanded we will just have to be happy with our mostly 3 star recruits and 7- 9 win seasons!
So Rashan Gary turned down hundreds of thousands from the Clemson church and came to UM for the education? What a stand up guy. Whether you like to believe it or not, everyone in D1 pays their players. From BGSU to the directional Michigan schools to the blue bloods. It’s just a matter of if you want to believe it or not.
In a word. Yes.
I won't say that people in the program don't want them to get paid and they aren't naive. However,
I think you underestimate the influence the administration at Michigan has on the recruiting process at Michigan by maintaining their standards. It's more stringent than they have ever been. Schlissel has been at Michigan for as long as Harbaugh has. He cares about the University academic ranking and the hospital. He is not at all worried about Harbaugh firing him.
A place like Ohio State and the billion dollar franchise of a football program is a great deal more lax because it has to be. The farce of the Tressel era helped Ohio State realize that there no real consequence by the NCAA to follow any rules. It's merely a cost of doing business. And will continue to be as long as some Trailer park hustler is willing to forego his lot rent to purchase the latest Kaleb Brown jersey.
I will say that I feel bad for you guys that you have to put up with Schlissel as sports fans.
Michigan absolutely compensates their players, as does everyone else. You simply can't recruit the talent to compete if you don't. The money funneling indirectly from the program to the players is not the problem. The problem is that the program doesn't have the relationship capital with the NCAA to negotiate an arrangement where the rules body is willing to look the other way while they commit recruiting violations.
Gene Smith is one of the most well connected Athletic Directors in the country. He sits on various rules committees and governing bodies that determine the evolution of college sports. Warde Manuel, on the other hand, does not. That's not to say that Warde is not a good Athletic Director, actually on the contrary, he's an excellent Athletic Director under the scope of the job description.
What he doesn't really seem to do is establish back room agreements with the string pullers in the NCAA that essentially provides basic amnesty, so long as the money is right. The NCAA is doesn't even pretend that it's not an "ol' boys club" anymore. Gene Smith has the relationship capital, and Ohio State can generate the revenue to participate. Michigan could certainly generate the revenue as well, but for whatever reason choses not to or is not invited to join the club.
Unwillingness to pay players is not Michigan's problem, they do. It's that they don't have a seat at the VIP table for reasons that won't ever be published by media outlets.
The last teams to ever receive any real penalty from the NCAA were OSU for Tatgate (which honestly is a laughable offense looking back considering what goes on today), PSU which had everything retracted, and USC for the Reggie Bush stuff. None of the southern schools have received any sanctions for much more blatant rules violations. Nothing happened to Miami. Nothing happened to UNC. Nothing has happened at LSU for an entire George RR Martin length tome of violations.
The NCAA gave up. Michigan isn't going to get any bigger hammer dropped on them than any other school.
FUCK
I'm not worried that OSU is winning the recruiting battles vs Michigan. I'll start to worry when it is Rutgers beating out Michigan for players. Besides, we went through a short period where MSU was beating out Michigan for in state players. That's changed but Michigan is, once again, in transition. One can only hope that year 7 of the Harbaugh experiment can finally yield a a great and memorable season for once where the team can beat OSU, win the Big 10 and win their Bowl game(s).
If you're just talking the 247 rankings, Rutgers is only ahead of people because they have more commits. If we had 13 commits, we would be ranked 5 or maybe 4. I have a feeling once Rutgers starts playing games, some of their top commits with offers from bigger-named top-ranked schools will start to look around.
Im so tired of losing recruits that were a Michigan lean to OSU
What do you expect, especially at WR? I mean they can't hold onto all these WRs. There already has been and will be attrition. But, unless it's a MI kid or a legacy, you should expect OSU to win the majority of the OSU/UM recruiting battles of kids they want. Tressel/Meyer/Day completely switched the script from the 90s. Until UM has an answer it won't change. OSU is an elite program like Clemson & Bama. UM is a historic blue blood, but only a good program, but one that gets shit kicked by its biggest rival for the better part of two decades.
Never said I didnt expect it just said I'm tired . Double worse when a good portion of the board will still suck Harbaugh off
Never said I didnt expect it just said I'm tired . Double worse when a good portion of the board will still suck Harbaugh off
For those of us who don’t follow recruiting very closely…. Who is Kaleb Brown? What sport does he play? What position does he play? What is his approximate ranking?
I love the blog and obviously never comment but I’ve been reading and watching for many many years. I have to say that one factor in recruiting the nation is AA super liberal policy, you just can’t breathe in this town if you have a different thought or view. Most talent comes from AA south with center right thinking. Political Ideology is a factor
If political ideology is a factor, then why can Alabama recruit anyone from any part of the country and get them to come to the highly conservative hotbed that is Tuscaloosa? Kids from CA are now going to Alabama.
Short answer: because they win.
I'm sure there are plenty of kids on Saban's roster who are grossly at odds with the general political ideology of Alabama fans and the people living in Tuscaloosa, but they come there anyway because Alabama wins football games and Nick Saban puts countless players into the first round of the draft every single year.
If Michigan was winning football games, beating OSU and making the playoffs, 99% recruits would not give two shits about Ann Arbor's general political ideology. I don't know what you're fishing for here, but to me this just seems like a lazy excuse as to why Michigan can't hack it with the big boys. They can't hack it because they can't do the things that matter on the football field.
If you're talking about just being a part of the general student populace, then maybe you're right. But I just really don't see that when it comes to deciding whether or not you want to play football for Jim Harbaugh. That just seems like one of those things you'd tell him to let him down easy while your real excuse is "Sorry, I don't want the pinnacle of my time here in Ann Arbor to be playing South Carolina in the fucking Outback Bowl."
Your absolutely corrrect on several points of winning and losing however when all things are equal via A Penn State vs Michigan or a Indiana where would I send my kids??? Also Don’t forget the parents !!, they have favor in these conversations. Talk to people at party’s as well as functions and AA has lost more than on the field….
I'm not mad about these anymore. I haven't been in a long time. I just shrug my shoulders and move on with my day. OSU football is so far ahead of Michigan football in every possible aspect that you just can't blame a kid for choosing them when he has the option to do so.
1) He's going to be surrounded by better talent so by extension he's going to have better competition every day in practice.
2) He's going to get better coaching. That has been made painfully obvious every year for the last two decades.
3) He's going to be playing for something that matters in the postseason. Michigan isn't. Not until it gets over its OSU demons, which does not look like it'll be happening anytime soon.
4) OSU gets its playmakers the ball, and gets them the ball early and often. Michigan, to be blunt, does not.
5) When was the last time Michigan put a skill position player into the early rounds of the draft? Much less the first round? Braylon back in '04-'05? OSU does it almost if not every single season.
Unfortunately-You are correct, on all points. How do you argue against reality?
You don’t. You just accept it and do what you can to try and make things better. But Michigan has so many problems on so many levels when it comes to this game that I wouldn’t even know where to start.
I guess that’s why I’m not the guy they’re paying a seven figure salary to to figure that out.
you speak the painful truth
coaching, treat the HS coaches like they matter, atmosphere, relatable to recruits, they WIN, they have Ms #
we lost SO much when RR the idiot was hired and it is still haunting us.
At least this one was prefaced by the millions of CBs put in
Not a good trajectory for Michigan. I don't see Ohio State losing any ground to any B1G contending team in the recruiting battle. It bodes very well for them and widens the gap for the rest of us.
OSU now has the #1 ranked recruiting class in the country for2022. How do you top that? You don't. It will take another 1969 type miracle to beat the Buckeyes anytime within the next few years.
start beating them on the field.
I'm not sure why this is surprising. This staff's clearly abyssmal record of development and utilization of WRs will dictate high-level recruit decisions until demonstrable changes happen. Hopefully the addition of Weiss and others can improve things.
Can't make this shit up......fresh off a Sam Webb "Chicago to Michigan pipeline" hype article about Carnell Tate, and Wiltfong CB's to OSU.
Even their recruiting coverage is better than ours. Oklahoma is the only school that rivals us when it comes to homerism on that front.
Hearing that Hero Kanu is committed to the Buckeyes.