How can the missed assignments by the OL be fixed?
Do offensive lines get better at identifying blocks as the year progresses? How about with a new OL coach and shared OL coaching duties?
The recent UFR (and posts derived fom that UFR) illustrate that our biggest problem is OL missing assignments. When they engage, they are talented enough and do fine. I think it is the single biggest flaw on the whole team that affects the pass and run games more than anything (especially with young receivers and new QB).
I looked back at this year's UFRs. The picture looks bleak:
Florida UFR:
Michigan appeared to have a severe Kalis issue where guys would run by dudes it seemed like they really really needed to block.
I had a lot of Ulizio minuses because he'd run by a DE and that guy would subsequently run by a TE with basically no shot at making good.
Cincinnatti UFR:
These big mental errors were collectively –10, or approximately half of Michigan's minuses on the day. Will they continue? At some level certainly. They are likely to drop off as these two second year players move along.
Air Force UFR:
Michigan's blocking was a little substandard as they failed to cope with blitzes too often.
Kugler, meanwhile, had a rough day and might have been responsible for more stuff than the obvious. Air Force had a number of plays on which Michigan looked befuddled. Sometimes that's individual players. Sometimes that's the line call. Kugler consistently failed to adapt to the nose tackle exiting stage right, and a couple of plays on which some other sap looked bad were issues with either Kugler's ability to ID a blitz or the presnap line call. He got some –2s when he decided to block a guy who was very obviously leaving for another gap.
And, of course, you just read the Purdue Offensive UFR. Same issues.
So, does this type of thing typically get better throughout the season? Is it the Center's fault in failing to make the right line call and should Cole move back?
How about Greg Frey? Where is he?
From a 247 article on Frey joinging Drevno:
With the vacancy created by the departure of running backs coach Tyrone Wheatley to the NFL Jacksonville Jaguars, Wolverines head coach Jim Harbaugh decided that having multiple minds of different philosophies working together could make the offensive line unstoppable.
"We’ve had a lot of great discussions on how to block things, on how to handle things," Frey said of his conversations with Drevno. "Picking up twists, stunts and bringing two really good styles of offensive line play and coaching together in that world has been outstanding.”
Are the different backgrounds causing confusion? Did Frey mention this in the interview to telegraph that there was some divide (or power struggle) over how the line calls should be handled?
EDIT - BONUS QUESTION: Is it possible that the complex blocking schemes and need for someone experienced to ID blitzes is what lead to Speight getting the starting nod? If my OL (or center) can't seem to figure out a line call when the defense moves, then I lean towards the most experienced QB just because of how important it is to pick up the blitz.
October 3rd, 2017 at 11:45 AM ^
Dafuq??? The team is 4-0, ranked #7, and has a killer defense that will keep it in EVERY game this year.
And you want to burn it down for some hope of future payoff?
This thread has jumped the shark.
::Slams door in McElwain's face::
GTFO!!!
October 3rd, 2017 at 11:32 AM ^
October 3rd, 2017 at 11:43 AM ^
This is far from a complaining thread. I am looking to the fan base full of coaches, peole with different memories about past seasons, stats guys, anyone, etc. to offer some indication of where this is heading.
Its okay to point out a flaw. I just want to know how realistic it is that THIS TYPE of problem can be fixed quickly. Any insight?
October 3rd, 2017 at 11:49 AM ^
Sure... But most of your posts in the thread are complaining about the coaches, and passive-aggressively suggesting they need to be changed. I'm neither agreeing or disagreeing - I have no idea what's going on in the OL room, and if I did I probably wouldn't know how to fix/change it. But please stop with the 'I only seek guidance' line because it doesn't ring true from your other posts.
That aside, the question you raised is a good one - what the hell is going on with the OL?
October 3rd, 2017 at 11:32 AM ^
Maybe Sean Kugler, Patrick's dad, can be of help to the O-Line. IIRC he is out of work now at UTEP and with NFL and college experience could hopefully bring something to the table. Just a thought.
October 3rd, 2017 at 12:40 PM ^
October 3rd, 2017 at 11:42 AM ^
The O-line play has been tremendously frustrating. No doubt. After being told to be patient year after year, patience is running thin. Having said that, this line IS young and they have 4 games worth of data and film to sift through and will have had 2 weeks of practices to make some improvements. Keep in mind, the mental stuff should be easier to fix than physical deficiencies. Watching an O-lineman run right by a DE to try and hit a LB only to have the DB blow up the play untouched is maddening. It's also something that I fully expect to see less and less of if this coaching staff is truly as good as it's purported to be.
October 3rd, 2017 at 11:46 AM ^
Get to class earlier? Make sure to ask their professors if they can make up assignments?
October 3rd, 2017 at 11:49 AM ^
October 3rd, 2017 at 2:33 PM ^
Someone here... I hope I'm giving credit correctly where it's due, this was either from Don..or possibly MGrowOld.... pretty sure it's one of the two. Anyway the poster said that Nick Saban has "offensive lineman built in a factory according to his specifications." Losing Newsome would have been a nonissue at Bama. We are not there yet!
October 4th, 2017 at 1:33 AM ^
was only a bit better than this season. I think if Harbaugh and CO had been coaching when last years seniors were freshmen and sophomores the OL would have been much better. Our only hope is that 2016 and 2017 recruits will have the good coaching at an early age and develop as they mature. So you are looking at 2019 before we have a decent line and the line will be able to have upper class-men from 2019 and beyond with good depth. We need to be patient and hope the line improves this season and may be with our killer D, we can win some of those tough games.
October 3rd, 2017 at 11:49 AM ^
I wonder how much of it is using both zone and gap blocking schemes? If the linemen seem confused, which they undoubtedly are, maybe its because there is too much on their plate to master to be any good at both types of schemes. On a lot of those stunts, it looks like the guards and tackles are expecting the other to do something different than what they end up doing, with the result being that a guy comes through untouched. One zigs while the other zags. If so, this will only get better with time. Or maybe Kugler is making bad calls, in which case it won't get better until next year.
October 3rd, 2017 at 12:01 PM ^
They're going to fix mistakes by watching film and practicing. Goddamn these posts are so stupid. Yes, college football players get better over time with more practice and more instruction. We have a bad offensive line, everyone knows this. We have some of the finest coaches in the country working to fix it, let them work on it.
October 3rd, 2017 at 12:23 PM ^
The crux of this thread is that the OL has been bad for years and is still not showing in-season improvement, let alone year over year improvement. The question is why? Under your line of thought - 'we have good coaches, they'll fix it' - Rich Rod would still be here.
I think this coaching staff can fix the problems. I believe they will. But it seems to me that they need to identify one problem to resolve before trying something else. The question posed - what is the problem that needs to be resolved first?
October 3rd, 2017 at 6:28 PM ^
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October 4th, 2017 at 1:38 AM ^
judge Harbaugh and OL coaches until 2019. If our OL still resembles a fire tire in 2019, then I may start questioning the coaches. Now, they're just trying to do the best they can for what they have. Harbaugh's true recruiting only started in 2016, so these players are only freshmen and sophomores.
October 3rd, 2017 at 12:12 PM ^
October 4th, 2017 at 1:43 AM ^
The cupboard was fairly empty on the OL when Harbaugh arrived here. 2015 was his first full recruiting season. Most of the overrated Hoke recruited linemen graduated last season. Give him some time. For now, hopefully he can improve the young OL and try to improve some of the more veteran OL players we have.
October 3rd, 2017 at 12:19 PM ^
October 3rd, 2017 at 12:28 PM ^
The playbook has already been simplified compared to last year. If you want a very simplified playbook, then you hire a different coach. That's not Harbaugh. That's not how he's established his success, that's not how he's gameplanned, that's not how he's made adjustments. He's going to run a relatively complex scheme (not as complex as his NFL playbook). If you want a 30 page playbook, then you hire Rich Rod or Mike Leach (both fine offenses coaches who have found success with that method, but not Harbaugh). But then don't complain when you simply can't out-execute the opponent because your playbook is too shallow and you have relatively few options to turn to.
But to expect Harbaugh to run a very simple scheme and find success is foolish. Harbaugh will install a complex scheme, he will limit the number of looks that he expects his team to be able to run some of those complex schemes against, and ask the QB to "KILL" those play calls when they go up against a look they aren't comfortable running against. Inside zone is struggling (by the way, it's very different than Iowa's stretch scheme, so that comparison is kinda wonk), but it's the easiest scheme for these guys to adjust to post-snap. It needs work, the communication needs work, the technique needs work, but that's where Michigan is. It's not an identity issue, it's been a major part of the playbook since year 1 of Harbaugh. No, Michigan isn't their version of RPO ("Run Power Often"), but their identity is as close as consistent as it can be over the course of three years and a major gap in talent.
As far as the busts, much of it is communication. Communication can be improved upon, and it was a good time for a bye week. It doesn't mean it will improve, as the guys on the OL just might not have the mental maturity to see those things, particularly post-snap. The pass pro schemes are relatively simple already, mostly half-line slides. Remember when Borges simplified further and did full line slides and this blog killed him for matching up RBs on the best defenders? Yeah, that's how you simplify further. So pick your poison. These guys have to learn their protections or they're going to be in for it. That's on coaching, that's on relative youth (acting like true SO are experienced OL is completely missing the point, this is a huge mental leap for many of these guys, many of which won't take that leap until they are upper-classmen).
There are technique problems. Those are going to be harder to fix during a bye week because it's not just "getting back to basics". Those take time. Those take spring ball and things like that to typically improve upon greatly. Each of these players are physically capable of playing the positions they are and executing the assignments they are being asked to execute, but they need to be better in their communication, in their eye discipline, and in their technique, it's going to take time.
And yes, some of it is likely on the coaching. But I remember specifically people using USC as an example of what can be done with a young OL in 2014 when they were coached by... Tim Drevno. So yes, some of it falls on players too (who were mostly recruited by these coaches at this point), they do bare some responsibility. They have to focus, they have to pay attention to the details, and they have to make sure they understand the mental aspect. It's the coaches job to instill that, but it's not always as simple as "Coach X is the problem". Obviously part of this means the problem is the way OL recruiting fell off under Hoke (the lack of "tackles" recruited in the last class isn't the problem, Michigan has bodies that will likely be good tackles given time, that doesn't fix this year). Drevno needs to improve the unit or he'll have reduced responsibilities or somewhere else next year, agree, but it isn't as simple as "he's a bad coach".
My biggest concern (without being at practice to understand) is how Frey and Drevno are working together, or not working together. The communication seems to be the biggest issue. You can get by with poor technique, because at least that doesn't give free runs at the QB. You can't get away with kill assignments. That could explain why LT/LG and RG/RT aren't always on the same page. Think they really need to look into how they are working as a unit and if techniques/assignments are translating.
At the end of the day though, regardless of your move (fire a coach, don't fire a coach), it's going to take time, it's going to take reps, it's going to take film study. That's just the facts.
October 3rd, 2017 at 12:32 PM ^
5 guys have to learn how to play as 1. They have to know the scheme, know the strength/weakness of the guy next to them, communicate and be on the same page, and be aware of what's going on around them to help while anticipating what might be coming. That's an incredibly difficult job as an individual and more so as a team when you consider the TEs and Backs.
The only fix is time and repetition and I agree that I don't see it as a Drevno issue. Still, it's his and Frey's job to fix this stuff and I have confidence they can.
October 3rd, 2017 at 3:06 PM ^
I guess we can't expect Harbaugh to simplify his offense anymore. This may or may not end up bigging an on-going issue for that reason. But, the benefits of Harbaugh seem to far outweigh any struggles this causes college kids.
I think Drevno is a fine OL coach. I think he is being asked to do a lot as both an OL coach and OC. I think Frey was supposed to help, but as I quoted in the original post, it seems like they are trying to mesh the systems and that may be an issue.
Also, the communication part was a good point too. I think the Purdue game had the worst blown calls and that is likely because it was the only real road game (and Purdue fans were UP for the game). That also indicates why the team struggled on the road last year. I know all teams struggle on the road, but maybe the need for better post-huddle communication is just THAT much more important in a Harbaugh offense.
Oh well, here is to keep quiet on Saturday while we are on offense and hoping the Indiana game is another tune-up for communicating on the road!!
October 3rd, 2017 at 12:48 PM ^
Why not just have Frey be the OL coach and Drev be the OC. Those are both big jobs. We know Frew can do it.
October 3rd, 2017 at 12:53 PM ^
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October 4th, 2017 at 3:00 PM ^
A few weeks ago most were complaining that the offense was too simple and vanilla and wanted more complex counter plays. Now this week people are posting that offense is to pro set complex and would like a simple offense?
October 3rd, 2017 at 1:04 PM ^
October 3rd, 2017 at 1:48 PM ^
When I complain about the offensive line during the game, my 5 yr old son says they "just need to push the other guys harder". I have to agree with him.
October 3rd, 2017 at 3:35 PM ^
I will give the O line credit for the one thing they clearly do better than last season's team. They get rushing first downs in the 4th quarter, and they've done that consistently in the first 4 games. As many have observed, that was a factor in all three of last year's losses, and caused us all considerable frustration. If this O line can simply protect the QB enough so that we are not down to our 4th string guy (McCaffrey?) by the end of the season, and run the clock out with a 4th quarter lead, I will take it.
October 4th, 2017 at 9:21 AM ^
but none of those 3 losses were within the first 4 games of the season, and all of them were against defenses better than Michigan has faced thus far (jury still a bit out on Florida).
So far so good, but lets talk about this again after we see how the season plays out.
October 3rd, 2017 at 5:03 PM ^
You know, the problems are complicated. I think the play calling needs to get better, the players hopefully put in good work in the bye week, and O'Korn maintains his Purdue level of play. Most likely things won't be ideal, but if O'Korn continues to play well and the coaches adapt in their play calling, then things will feel a lot better even if this is still a relatively weak O-line. While expectations have and should be reset, I think we always underestimate the coaches' ability to adjust, especially in rivalry games. The one advantage of huddling pro style offenses is that there is a bit more unpredictability in game planning. Spread teams don't necessarily surprise you before the snap, or even after, but if you misalign or have a weakness you will be pummeled until you adjust. As of yet Michigan hasn't shown one thing they can pummel you with, which is on everyone.
October 3rd, 2017 at 5:17 PM ^
The Oline obviously has work to do, but the rest of the offense has issues as well. The recievers are inexperienced the RBs are missing blocks, and the QB play has also been less than stellar. There doesn't seem to be a single position group on offense that is functioning at a high level.
October 3rd, 2017 at 9:25 PM ^
1. Get better offensive linemen
2. Get better offensive line coach
3. ???
4. Profit
October 4th, 2017 at 12:09 AM ^
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October 4th, 2017 at 5:02 PM ^
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