Harbaugh with no Luck

If that's the way you want to look at it, then we're in trouble at the QB position no matter who comes here. Simply put, we have zero proven QBs for next year. That being said, I'll happily take a coach who is known to be a QB guru. A man who developed the #1 pick in the draft a few years back, and who has made a previously unknown kid from Nevada an NFL superstar.

Couple this with the fact that if Harbaugh comes here, every top QB recruit in the country will give Michigan some serious consideration.

If Brady Hoke didn't have Gardner, would he be claimed as a great coach?

San Diego University relevant in football.

 

2004  7-4

2005  11-1

2006  11-1

 

 

He's won everywhere he's been but only had Luck at Stanford, so I'm going to go out on a limb and say he's going to do fine here with a QB other than Luck.

So you are suggesting that what Harbaugh did at Stanford was all Luck?

He went to the Super Bowl and several conference championships. Why are we questioning him?

Stanford got good, and stayed good after Harbaugh left, because he recruited Luck and Martin and DeCastro and a bunch of defensive players.

Coaches don't make teams good.  Especially in college.  They can make them better, but they can't make them good.  Harbaugh's record at Stanford was shitty his first 2-3 years because of what he inherited.  It was awesome his last year and for three years after that because of what he built (shocking that things have started to slip now that the Harbaugh recruits are leaving campus).

Who knows what would happen in the first three years if he comes to Michigan.  And nobody should fucking care.  In year four and beyond we'd probably be awesome, because that is what the guy does.  As long as we don't fire him like we did the last good coach we hired, we'll be fine.

 

football, especislly in this era is built around the talent at QB.  Denard was not a great QB, but a spectacular athlete that RR used to perfection asn was starting to win here despite all the holes in the defense.

OSU would be a mess if it wasn't for the natural talent of Miller and BArrett (Herman is a huge help there).

Miss. State = Prescott.  I could go on and on.  Jim Harbaugh could do wonders here with the QB talent we already have.  If this adnministration fails again on this coaching search, it will be dark for many years at the corner of Stadium and Main.

Let us forget that QBs across the country would be lining up to play for him. let's just go on what we know. 1) We all witnessed what he did with Alex Smith by turning him into a bust QB having been coached by a million different OCs into an efficient QB that is now a legit NFL starter. He then was confident enough to pass on others for a skinny kid from Nevada and an awkward thrown motion. He turned him into a legit NFL starter on basically an NFL redshirt year. 2) I had an old family friend go to play at Stanford. His Senior year (rs sr, iirc) was Jim's first year. When he came back home and I ran into him at a Kroger I caught up a bit with him. One of the topics was "dude, that usc upset was awesome" and that inevitably led to talking about Harbaugh. Here is a general paraphrasing of the things he said: "With every team you have guys that like the coach and don't really have a tight relationship. My entire time there was like that and we were horrible, man. I DON'T KNOW A SINGLE PLAYER THAT WOULDN'T RUN INTO TRAFFIC FOR COACH (Harbaugh). It was like night and day. Trust me that going from a weak win the year before to four wins my last year was a miracle. We had nobody. I went there because Michigan didn't offer and Stanford is Stanford, before that is was BC. We were terrible and the coaching before wasn't much different than HS. That's what shocked me as you expect college to be crazy with top coaches screaming and working out but it was basically like HS and we played like it. Coach (Harbaugh) comes and the difference was night and day, noticeable from day one! The day we all met him the only thing we kept repeating was that THIS is what we thought CFB would be and more. Coach is just intense but it's in a good way. I love him, we all love him and probably nobody more than the QBs (he laughs continues) because they seemed to go from (gives a look of "meh") to confident and guys that started to lead. I had no doubt coach would win a championship there but then he went pro and honestly it's probably where he belongs because coach is coach." That was the basic gist of the conversation, most remembered verbatim. The guy is a QB whisper...er.

Did he recruit Luck?

to 3 conference titles and a Super Bowl. He also had a great record at San Diego. So...yeah, he's fine. 

Has won at every level with an array of different QB's.  Won at University of San Diego (which was a flatlining program before he got there).  Won with Luck.  Won with Alex Smith.  Won with Kaepernick. 

Also, Luck was a four star and ranked 4th out of pro-style qb's in his class (behind Blaine Gabbert, Dayne Crist, and Mike Glennon FWIW).  So while he was certainly not a sleeper or diamond in the ruff, it's not like he came to Stanford as an NFL All-Pro.  Hell, his floor was probably lower than Christian Hackenberg's. 

Harbaugh would have failed without luck, and did great every other year. There you go, so we won't recruit Luck.

Michigan has a lot more talent on their team, then the team Jim took over at Stanford his first season! Harbaugh will be tearing up the B1G by his second season. No doubt! I have Buckeye friends who are very worried about Harbaugh becoming Michigan's coach! Sparty fans are probably quite fearful as well!

Andrew Luck represents [instert any highly rated 4 star recruit].  Its not like Harbaugh 'made' him from 2-3 star talent.  Luck would likely have developed in a lot of programs around the country. 

With the talent Harbaugh would have at M and the kind of talent he would attract to a place like M, he would get whoever he wants. There is no reason he couldn't make Morris, Speight, Malzone or Weaver a solid if not terrific QB.

 

While i am usually as cautious as you before annointing someone KING, and love to dig into details finding things that counter someone being annointed KING....Harbaugh is KING.

Of course Luck helped.  But one thing Harbaugh brings, which our team needs badly, is a toughness.  Give me a tough football player any day over a strong one.  Its all mental.  He will immediately improve the toughness of both our lines....and one needs it a little more than the other.

Harbaugh will also exponentially develop our QB's.  We dont need a blockbuster QB.  We already have a few studs.  Most programs would die to have what we have on our roster.  They just need to be developed properly.  Harbaugh will do this.

I hope Michigan can land him.  I really, really do.

He completely resurrected Alex Smith

I realize recruiting rankings aren't the end all be all but they are usually a pretty good indicator of how much potential talent is on a roster.  Not all recruits pan out but unless UM and the recruiting services completely whiffed on the guys Hoke has recruited there should be a pretty good amount of players on the UM roster who should be good college football players.  I don't think the next UM coach is walking into a situation where the cupboard is anywhere close to bare.