The guy Bo actually wanted- Mo, what if he had not resigned back in 1995?

Submitted by iawolve on

This has nothing to do with the current coaching search, which I am obsessed with and fearful of at the same time since I am trying to insulate myself from any giant disappointment. In doing this, I started thinking back to the man at the helm when I was in college, Mo. This is interesting since he was someone who we did guess about in regards to if Bo would have wanted him or not, he was Bo's pick as his first successor. 

Once I went there, I thought about what if Mo never got arrested and resigned, and instead lead the program until retirement sometime around when Carr left (they were very close to the same age). Would the program have looked any different? Would Mo have developed a large coaching tree so we have successors? Would we have embraced new look offenses?

The guy was actually pretty fascinating considering he was both the DC under Bo, left for Illinois and came back coaching QBs, DC again and then OC which is insane. He won 3 B10 (no B1G then) titles and 4 bowl games in 5 years in addition to coaching a heisman winner and laying the foundation for our NC team which included another heisman winner. I always thought he was more strategic than Lloyd and might have had a higher ceiling for the program, but it also could be that it was too long ago for me to really remember the details. 

Interested in any Mo talk from the board and if you feel we would have done better, worse or same as what we got out of Lloyd in addition to your thoughts regarding Mo's ability to develop coaches. He certainly was able to get good talent.

 

Yost Ghost

November 4th, 2014 at 7:39 PM ^

I've posted a couple of times about what might have happened had Mo not been railroaded out of town. Could Bo's legacy been extended even farther than it was under Coach Carr? I think the answer would have been yes. We could have had several years of Mo and then maybe Lloyd or someone else would have tacked on another 10 years or so. We would probably have had at least one more NC in there as well.

21-194-13

November 4th, 2014 at 8:44 PM ^

But once the police audio tape was made public it was over for Mo.

 

You also had to be living in Ann Arbor at the time.  I think Moeller would have survived, if not for the emergence of the audio tape from the police car.  I don't remember the exact timing, but it was about 3-5 days between the initial reports of him "getting beligerant in a restaurant" and the WJR playing the actual audio of the "do you know who I am" and "you can't do this to ME" drunken rampages.  At that point, I don't believe anyone could've saved his job.

http://mgoblog.com/mgoboard/gary-moeller-undervalued-easily-forgotten-overrated

2427_Couzens

November 4th, 2014 at 7:43 PM ^

And you know what?  It actually isn't very different from today.

 

Moeller's teams started going 8-4, basically after Bo's kids started graduating.  Mo was getting flak from the faithful that maybe he couldn't succeed with his own kids.  On that fateful day in Southfield, things were bad enough with the reports of what happened.  But the final nail was that the actual call to Southfield police was released to the media.  Local news and radio were playing the actual audio of Mo, and once that hit, there was no going back.  I remember that the rumor was that some alumni somewhere were in a position to release that audio.  After that hit, the University felt that they had to let him go.

 

I recall that when Lloyd was initially named interim, he was *pissed off.*  He railed against the people that treated Mo like a criminal for his one bad night, and rightfully so.

Yost Ghost

November 4th, 2014 at 7:54 PM ^

Not sure why the audio was a tipping point since it only served to confirm what everything else that was reported confirmed, Gary Moeller was drunk off his ass. He wasn't in his right mind and was making terrible decisions that night. Unfortunately the university didn't feel it could extend any grace to a guy that had never had an issue before and had given so much to the program. Terrible call.

goblue20111

November 4th, 2014 at 7:59 PM ^

If you're going to have football coaches be the most recognizable face of your University, they need to be held to extremely high standards.  Here are the details of the incident: 

http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=19950503&slug=…

He put his hands on cops.  I empathize with the guy but I don't get how you can have him as the most visible face of your institution following those details.

What kind of stood out to me also was his $130K salary.  Holy shit, how times have changed 19 years later. 

Eye of the Tiger

November 4th, 2014 at 7:45 PM ^

Or, perhaps, something not unlike the record he actually compiled from 1990-1994: a .758 winning percentage.

For comparison's sake, Lloyd Carr's winning percentage from 1995-2007 was: .753

SysMark

November 4th, 2014 at 7:55 PM ^

I always thought Mo was the best game coach among the three (Bo, Mo, Lloyd).  I also think if that incident happened today he would probably survive it.  The Mo-Lloyd combination could have dome some great things, though Lloyd probably would have gotten a HC offer after a few more years.

SECcashnassadvantage

November 4th, 2014 at 8:11 PM ^

1997 wouldn't have happened and Hoke would have stayed longer. He also would have kept Mattisons sorry ass, who currently knows he is giving plays away, but doesn't care because, "times have changed but he won't." Mattison plays our guys off so far we are back pedaling like hell. Mattison wouldn't have left in 96, so our D wouldn't have improved like it did in 97 when he left. We would have missed out on that championship if Herman didn't take over from Mattison.

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snarling wolverine

November 4th, 2014 at 8:16 PM ^

Why would Hoke have stayed longer?  He coached eight years here before his alma mater offered him a HC job.

And Mattison left for ND because they offered free tuition for his children, not because of a rift with Carr.

93Grad

November 4th, 2014 at 8:27 PM ^

Instead of Lloyd? What if Lloyd had hired Harbaugh as OC in 2003. Lots of what ifs and most of them are painful Meanwhile back in reality Gary was the only coach to leave the Lions with a winning record.

21-194-13

November 4th, 2014 at 8:29 PM ^

The most interesting part was where he talks about Bo and Texas A&M...

Schembechler, of course, did turn the job down. I figure he never seriously considered it. The thing that bothered me more was to take place that evening. At the press conference, Tom Monaghan, founder and owner of Domino's Pizza based in Ann Arbor, presented Shembechler with a pizza store in, of all places, Columbus, Ohio. It really was a bush gesture. The store never made money, but Monaghan made it clear to the public that his gift was an effort to keep Schembechler at Michigan. Why Bo let Monaghan be part of that evening I'll never know, nor forget. 

In retrospect, however, over a 20-year period my relationship with Bo was good. He always supported me publicly and privately, as far as I know. And I always did everything I could to help him and the football program because without a healthy football program an athletic department doesn't have a chance to succeed. Appointing Bo was obviously my most important selection.

I realized early that coaches often leave suddenly. For that reason I always had a list of people I would consider as replacements for any of the head coaches. At one point, for instance, had Schembechler left I might have appointed Bill McCartney, who subsequently left for the University of Colorado. At another point I would have called on Don Nehlen, who wound up at the University of West Virginia.

If Bo had left, I wonder how successful McCartney or Nehlen would've been.

rob f

November 4th, 2014 at 8:58 PM ^

with the reasons you just gave, I think an even bigger factor in Bo hand-picking Mo as his successor is this:  Bo was always very vocal about what he considered the raw deal Mo got being fired by Illinois.  Bo was determined to stick it to Illinois any way and any opportunity he had from that point forward, and wasn't going to pass on a chance to prove himself right about Mo as a HC.

21-194-13

November 4th, 2014 at 9:06 PM ^

Carr was also on the hot seat going into the 1997 season.

IMO, Drew Henson leaving early caused a lot of dominoes to fall. With Henson coming back in 2001, we beat OSU(Tressel's first year) and probably go undefeated to play for the national title. I doubt we would've beaten FSU, but playing in the national title game would have been huge for recruiting and keeping Tressel at bay.

 

Qmatic

November 4th, 2014 at 10:33 PM ^

I agree. With Henson we run the table and play for a national title in 2001. I still to this day think the 2003 team was too talented to not play for a title that year. That was the downfall of Carr, there would always have one bad game (Iowa in 03) that hurt our chances. Wasn't that a great problem to deal with.