Federal judge rules indoor gyms in MI can reopen
Not OT because I'm wondering how (if at all?) this affects Michigan teams getting back to work for offseason workouts?
Says they're allowed to reopen on 6/25.
https://nbc25news.com/news/local/breaking-federal-judge-rules-indoor-gyms-can-re-open-in-michigan
Fat rednecks (who haven't seen the inside of a gym since it was a class in high school) rejoice!!!
I would like to applaud MgoBlog readers. As I read through the responses to this post, moderate/reasonable responses are generally being upvoted and extremist posts (on both sides) are generally being downvoted.
Good job guys!
edit: commented too soon I guess
SCIENCE!! as in published journal research!!
https://mobile.twitter.com/andrewazman/status/1271414998234017794
We Americans, dammit! We have an inalienable right to go to the gym and get "swole" whenever we want, pandemics or not! It's right there in the Magna Carta!!!
I bet you're an absolute BEAST of man FauxMo. Be honest, 8-pack at least right? With 25 inch pythons?
His python is 25 inches. His arms are tiny.
FranzWagner, are you one of my ... ex-lovers???
Just as long as we don’t skip leg day.
Considering America is one of the fattest countries in the world, I'm not sure how much your statement holds water.
I, for one, am ready to get back to working out. I've been running since this all started and it is getting boring.
I'm looking forward to getting back to the gym too. I have a treadmill at home, but no weights (ok, I have two small free weights that are only just barely heavy enough) and I procrastinate a ton when it's time to get on my own treadmill. And it's boring and repetitive. I can do a lot more variety, work more of my body, and when I'm at the gym there's nothing to do but exercise, which means no procrastination. Soon as I can go back, I will. I'm always good about spraying down the equipment - I'll try to be a little more thorough and maybe do it before I use it too.
Getting a haircut next Tuesday, maybe back in the gym in a couple weeks - I like it. I'll probably pay the barber for the haircut I missed, too. (I would've gone sometime in April, and would still be going around now anyway even if I had.) Lord knows I want that guy to stay in business.
God bless sir. Try to savor the summer while it's here and do things you enjoy.
I am surprised that gyms have been the last hold out in all of this. In the regular gyms such as Lifetime or Planet Fitness, it is incredibly easy to keep distance from others. Treadmills, ellipticals, etc... are generally far enough away from other people. Work out areas have moveble benches. I would say that restaurants, where people are talking, chewing, etc... are just as, if not more "spreadable" than gyms.
If ANYTHING, gyms should have been some of the FIRST places open up to help people with their overall health and fitness to fight the damn virus.
I agree with your comments. This has been purely subjective on Whitmer's part. She punished hair salons because of Karl Meinke-yes; they did open this week, about a month late. As for gyms, if Whitmer was a fitness nut, she'd have opened gyms about a month ago as well.
About friggin time!
SMH? We know you mean "Stretching My Hammies" right?
So glad I don't live in MI right now...been back for two weeks!
Yeah, it really sucks here with us having done a phenomenal job to dramatically lower the spread of the virus and all.
I’d much rather be in a place like Texas or Florida where the numbers are experiencing a dramatic spike.
Wish more of the outspoken angry gretchen haters could recognize that what we did here in Michigan CLEARLY WORKED. I can fully acknowledge that it sucked and I hope we never have to do it again, but it CLEARLY WORKED. Just hope everyone doesnt rush "back to normal" and negate the progress.
Edit: Utah, not calling you an angry gretchen hater
Got it.
It’s pretty damn sad that so many people (Including one particular person at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue) will put their desire to “Own the libs” above their desire to do things to try and limit the spread of a pandemic and stop people from getting sick and dying.
There are countless people out there, including some on this board, who are deeply upset that the cases in Michigan have been drastically reduced because they were really looking forward to being able to point at an even larger pile of dead bodies and say “SEE! I TOLD YOU STUPID LIBTURDZ THAT WHITLER’S ACTIONS WOULDN’T WORK!” And now it’s been taken away from them.......Not that they won’t find something else to bitch and scream “TYRANNY!” over, they always do.
It’s a fucked up country we live in
Lol @"big stretch"
You all dont have to go to the gym, it isnt required. You can stay safe at home and engage in your progressive circle jerk of being triggered, intolerant and intolerable.
cdc.gov/covid19
There isn't a spike at all if you just stick to the real numbers and ignore the verbal spin. Math has no opinion other than the truth. Pretty sure the positives we are seeing was expected as the healthy get immunity. This is the part (herd immunity) that sheltering in place disrupted. Herd immunity is just as important as having a vaccine in eradicating a virus, gotta have both.
I’m not an “angry Gretchen hater” but I’m not a blind supporter either. I think it’s good to keep asking questions about what’s going on.
Michigan, the 10th most populous state, has recorded the sixth most COVID deaths so it’s not actually clear that what we’ve done so far has been great policy - especially considering that we now are facing a massive economic crisis.
If you look at Michigan’s curve of hospitalizations, it never flattened. It just followed the classic outbreak pattern of exponential growth and decline. That was the scenario we were supposed to avoid by social distancing. So what did we accomplish, exactly?
Finally, it remains to be seen if we’ve “won” the battle or just are in a lull before a second wave.
The fact that there’s a large contingent of people out who can’t even be bothered to put on a goddamned mask for 30 minutes to go into Costco because masks are for losers, or because tyranny; tells me that the odds of having a second wave are getting better and better every day.
These dipshits think they’re really sticking it to their political opponents when they’re just continuing to be the Washington Generals to COVID’s Harlem Globetrotters
To be clear, a few reputable sources, including one joint study from the New England Journal of Medicine, have stated that the likelihood you would spread or catch the virus from passing by someone in a store for a second or two is non existent unless that person coughed/sneezed directly at you, in which case if they didn’t cover their mouth, the mask wouldn’t prevent much of the spread anyways.
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Measured against the much more numerous reputable sources that say wearing masks helps prevent the spread of disease.
stop trying to “both sides” this.
This comic is incredibly stupid. You realize mosquito nets are one of the most effective interventions against malaria? And similarly, one of the biggest challenges is getting people to use the damn net.
What you're saying is not at all a refutation of what he's saying. "Masks help" does not necessarily mean that you're in any kind of great danger of catching disease by spending less than two seconds inside someone else's six-foot circle in a grocery store aisle.
Like so many others (as I'm directing this to ALL the anti-maskers), MaizeandBlueWahoo, you aren't taking into account those who put in 8-10 or more hours working in those stores trying to keep the shelves stocked, check-out lines moving, meat carved, deli products sliced and packaged, and especially the beer/wine/liquor displays all prettied up for us all.
For them, those "2 seconds" inside their 6' circle over and over and over again add up to one helluva lot of potential exposure over 8 +hrs/day, when multiplied by those shoppers who also unnecessarily drag along their kids and Grandma, multiplied again by the number of days per week the clerks and cashiers put in for the low wages they're paid in order to keep your groceries affordable.
How about at least making that tiny sacrifice of masking-up for them and their families?
More and more, the selfishness in our society disgusts me.
A "classic outbreak pattern of exponential growth and decline" does not happen with a total 1% infection rate without behavioral adaptations.
And using cumulative deaths as your only metric will always make look Michigan look worse since it got hit hard upfront before precautions and testing went into effect anywhere in America.
Edit: A bunch of downvotes but no counterarguments to pretty straight forward data science. I get that a lot of people "think" or vote with their guts and not their brains, but come on, this is a UofM blog right?
I agree with you 100%, LewisB.
I'd love to think our MGoUserBase is better than that. I know a lot of us are; you and multitudes of others prove it daily. The SCIENCE, the MATH, and the FACTS all are out there but are willfully being ignored by many for various foolish reasons.
Sad to have to say it again: Darwinism will eventually weed out those unable to behaviorally adapt. (edit: unfortunately, sometimes instead it will weed out the innocent ones around them)
jmblue, that exponential growth could have kept going. Or it could have plateaued, or flattened, as you said.
Michigan was one of the early outbreaks. Nobody was prepared for that. Michigan responded and right now has great numbers.
You know what's convinced me? I'm in a southern state right now that had the chance to learn from Michigan, NY and others being the first hit. You know how they are using that invaluable info that other locations didn't have? They aren't. No masks, no social distancing, lax cleaning measures. You know what's happening where I'm at? Exponential growth of cases.
Michiganders (remove the politicians) are doing a great job compared to many, many states.
I'm also in a state where number of cases is increasing...but the hospitalization rate and mortality rate are decreasing.
Likely due to the bufircation of the old pop (who are taking extreme precautions and not as active in the summer) and the younger pop (who seems to feel invincible and DGAF so they are going to bars, etc).
I don’t think you can say anything CLEARLY WORKED until next year... Did Michigan’s stricter lockdown save lives? Did it just delay a second spike? Will we just have it linger all summer instead of a spike? Was the fact the Michigan was one of the hardest hit states per capita mean we have a better herd immunity?
We should know next spring.
No, you can address a lot of those things right now. Michigan's upfront hit does not translate to any meaningful herd immunity. Deaths are falling dramatically nationally while cases are slightly increasing. This could be due to a number of factors including better treatment, better protection of the most vulnerable, social distancing and mask usage decreasing viral dosage, etc., but cannot be explained by increased testing alone.
So yes, a stricter lockdown saved lives as the initial IFR isn't the current one or the future one. Pretty straight forward honestly.
There was a study showing like 40x the number of people had antibodies than tested positive... Now that percentage has probably gone down significantly, but less say 20x people have had it than tested positive. That would means about 15% of the population has had it, and in theory, can’t spread it. That’s significant.
Death rate decreasing can probably be explained 95% by increased testing. Since there still is no great treatment, and social distancing has no effect on someone who has it...
You don’t know it helped, I don’t know it helped or hurt, scientists and doctors don’t know. They can’t until the next flu season hits and if/when the find a vaccine.
That study was debunked a while ago
I think you believe in a strawman. Im against her measures and still am.
We agree that people are likely not to follow all distancing policies, right? We agree that theyll be a second spike, right?
Why tank the economy if you believe things will be the same in 1-2 months?
The 2000 nursing home deaths because she put an executive order to put covid positive people make her successful. You have a different view of success than I do.
As someone who works with the elderly, I can tell you, before that executive order, hospitals were just putting people in ambulances and dropping them off at their relatives homes. Even if they still tested positive for Covid. So in April, 85 year olds with dementia who required help with getting out of bed were getting sent home, and no home care agency would provide aid. If they die, not the hospital’s problem. Hospitals needed the space and people were sent home to die alone. It’s a no win. But hey, read your right wing blogs and pop off with your completely uninformed opinion.
They built two huge field hospitals and never used them, and the nursing home industry wrote a letter to the state suggesting the use of vacant facilities, a suggestion which went completely ignored. Stop pretending that criticism of Whitmer's order to put sick people in with the literal most vulnerable people is some kind of right-wing conspiracy theory.
Critisism is fine, but people in leadership positions are going to make mistakes. That's what "The Buck Stops HERE" means. For better or worse, a decision had to be made to alleviate the over crowded hospitals. People don't understand what triage means and what it's like to be in a time sensitive, death -or-death (not life or death) decision-making position. Cuomo had to do the same thing and it wasn't ideal and there weren't a lot of good options b/c those folks a) were probably gonna die, b) the docs had not way to stop it, c) they needed end of life care (so you can't just throw them back home or into a make shift room with minimal support) and d) there were dozens more patients coming in who could be treated successfully.
No one put in these positions were going to bat 1.000. Cuomo in NYS gets shit for this same thing and not closing NYC down a week or two early (as if, had he closed NYC on 3/1, the right wouldn't scream about USAs largest city being shut down over a "flu" by an overcontrolled leftwing governor). Screaming about how many dead people MI and NY had as a result of the govt actions discounts a) these states didn't have the benefit of hindsight b) these states had explosions for reasons outside of the control of the govmnt (Det airport and intl flights, NYC density and public xport ubiquity). They were in a damned if you do damned if you don't, death or death situation and as we look with 3 months of hindsight and the results across almost every other state (including OH who's Gov. received universal praise) the results are unequivically better than every other state and many other nations.
Sorry, but this is not a benefit-of-hindsight question. First of all, it's common knowledge that the elderly are more at risk with diseases like this. It's completely the opposite of a surprise. Second, Whitmer continued to order COVID patients into nursing homes after the TCF Center had already been open, and was utterly empty. Cuomo had the Javits Center being built out. And the nursing home industry had already offered up a better solution, which the state rejected.
We're not talking about patients on death's door, either. We're talking about people who are getting better but are still contagious. And very few other states went this route. This was a mistake of epic proportions. Plain old common sense would say that it is an utterly terrible idea to mix elderly people with patients of a disease that is incredibly deadly to elderly people. Hindsight not required for that.
I work at the John Dingell. Sending people home to die would have been far more compassionate than what we and other hospitals did. Vets with co-morbidities dying from Covid and a buffet of other conditions had to die alone. Letting them go home where young, healthy family members could care for them would have been better than venting them and surrounding them with strangers while they waited to die. Horrible.
Do Michigan teams typically workout at public gyms?
Damn it. Now what’s my excuse for not working out going to be?