Ryanonymous

November 23rd, 2015 at 2:05 PM ^

My bad on confusing the two as far as injury. Point still stands on him being punished.
Incident was in what, March? So he should carry his punishment some 6 months later? Even after facing the law and whatever else between the incident and the start of the season?
That seems silly to me.
So as long as the incident happens mid-season and he misses a game, like JT, it's fine?

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Ryanonymous

November 23rd, 2015 at 2:18 PM ^

A little closer to game time -

Clark was the one hat basically committed a felony right? Breaking and Entering and stealing things from a dorm room but dropped to lesser charges, if I recall correctly.

Fitz was also a late July thing and also involved driving where lives are at risk, similar to Glasgow's first incident.

I'm fine with how Graham was handled this time around.

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Ryanonymous

November 23rd, 2015 at 2:33 PM ^

I don't recall one previous to 2012. He then had this one back in March.
What was the third?

I don't think Zeke should be suspended either by the way. I do think I would probably lessen his playing time or carries further after publicly lambasting his coaches. That's not a good look for the program and shouldn't be tolerated.
Meyer agreeing with him and saying he will get more involved in the play calling makes him seem lost as a head coach to me as well. Who's really running that program? Players and coordinators? He's supposed to be in charge and should have taken charge while the game was still being played if he didn't agree with he calls.
What, he thought it would magically change by itself?

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trueblue262

November 23rd, 2015 at 3:05 PM ^

that have been attempted to be made. 

Elliot should not be punished. (publicly) If Urban wanted to address the situation, it should have been handled internally, in a team setting, or with Elliot and Meyer in a private setting. Without naming any names, I seem to remember a Michigan player this year using the media (whether it be actual or social media) to inmply that he should be getting more touches.  He was not publicly suspended or ridiculed. Instead his production has been eliminated even more so than before.

I would love to see that locker room implode on every level, but as a fanbase, we really need to be careful of the whole stones and glass houses thing. Much to Magnus point.

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sdogg1m

November 23rd, 2015 at 1:52 PM ^

Graham was most certainly punished for his incident. The problem with Ezekiel comments are they call into question the coaching staff publically. I have read all sorts of excuses but this type of behavior is still seen as a lack of respect for someone in authority over you.

If I am a coach in the NFL, I don't want Zeke and I would prefer he be someone else's headache.

Also, Bo would have had him on the fastest bus out of Ann Arbor. I don't EVER remember a Michigan player publically questioning a coach or assistant.

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Magnus

November 23rd, 2015 at 1:57 PM ^

Off-season punishments are horsecrap. They can be tough (waking up early, doing conditioning, etc.), but you hit players hardest with playing time punishments. Glasgow had multiple alcohol-related incidents, and he didn't miss a bit of playing time for his most recent one. So I'm not going to sit here and suggest that Ezekiel Elliott should be punished for the first time (AFAIK) he says something publicly where he questions the play calling.

Also, if we're talking about Bo - who stopped coaching almost 30 years ago - I think Graham Glasgow would have been on the first bus out of town, too.

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jinglebaugh

November 23rd, 2015 at 3:29 PM ^

His most recent one was for drinking when he was on probation. It's not like he got another DUI. But, in general, I agree. Us M fans need to look at our program first before getting on a high horse about the length of suspensions Urban has handed out. Fitz got a one game suspension for his DUI, and everyone was all "Urbz gonna Urbz" when Barret got one game.

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Reader71

November 23rd, 2015 at 3:54 PM ^

People are negging you because they don't agree with your general take on this fiasco, but I would like to support this particular statement. I had to run stadium steps at 5:00 a.m. for a month, and as much as it sucked (a lot, FWIW), it was much, much preferable than being held out of a game. Nothing is as effective as losing PT. It is the end all, be all. Now, I wouldn't say off-season penalties are BS. You have to send a message at the time of the violation, and a long offseason in the doghouse can work wonders to actually fix whatever problem the player has. As a rehabilitation, offseason punishments are wonderful. But as retribution, if you really want to hurt the player in an effort to wake him up, one snap on Saturday is worth more than a summer of hell.

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MI Expat NY

November 23rd, 2015 at 2:12 PM ^

I don't think they are really comparable situations.  Regardless of how you feel about the level of punishment for Glasgow's transgression*, Elliott's coments were eye rasing and I'm not sure they would be tolerated by most coaches for most players.  Yet, he received no punishment for publicly calling out his coaches.  I don't really care too much, I wasn't expecting him to be suspended, but I understand why some thought that was a strong possibility.  

 

*He was suspended for the conduct that resulted in him facing additional legal problems for simply doing something he otherwise would have been legally allowed to do.  I think this probably had something to do with why he didn't face additional game-time punishments.

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Muttley

November 23rd, 2015 at 4:04 PM ^

he did something against Urban Meyer.

So it's Urban Meyer's business how he handles this, not our's.  Of course we can comment on the Wild West program that Urban runs, and use this as additional evidence, but we don't have "standing" to be offended for this particular choice by Urban.  It's his program.

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Eastern Wolverine

November 23rd, 2015 at 5:10 PM ^

A leader of your team publicly criticizes the head coach and effectively declares for the draft after you lose one game...in the middle of the B1G and National Championship race no less. That is not cool, particularly when another leader of your team declares for the draft after the same loss...and yet another leader/captain of your team gets a DUI just a few weeks earlier. This is not how properly coached players run or lead a team. They are not isolated incidents either. Yes, Michigan has had and will have their share of player problems moving forward. That said, Elliott's comments reflect poorly on tOSU and I'd be very p*ssed if I were an alum. Did anyone else hear Spielman a few weeks ago say the way for J.T. Barrett to show true leadership would be to denounce his captaincy, as he himself cannot abide by the rules a captain should be leading their team by? Chris Spielman on national television! Sorry Magnus, tons of respect for you but I disagree.

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bacon

November 23rd, 2015 at 1:29 PM ^

Yeah. Punishment would mean losing a major weapon for the game. I'm sure that the practice teamers will be running extra laps for his statements though.

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Brhino

November 23rd, 2015 at 1:33 PM ^

I know this is 99% wishful thinking from a Michigan fan, but this is the sort of thing that can sour the relationship between a coach and his players.  The message is clear: if you're an Ohio State player who doesn't agree with something the coaches are doing, you can publicly bitch about it and not face consequences.  Or maybe that only applies if you're a Heisman candidate.  In either case, this won't go unnnoticed by other players, and you have to think that if this sort of thing continues team chemistry is going to suffer.

Guess it's just tough dealing with the disappointment of losing an average of half a game a year.

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Stay.Classy.An…

November 23rd, 2015 at 1:48 PM ^

is the same thing Urbz did at Florida. If you are a big dog, you can bark as loud as you want, shoot people in the face, yadda yadda yadda. Urbz even said to the media "we agree with what he said, just not the time or place he chose to say it". I mean come on, GTFOWTBS. If this was some 3rd string or practice squad turd, Urbz probably would have suspended him or even kicked him off the team. But, when push comes to shove, he still has to WIN, and that will always be the most important factor in determining punishment. I also understand that he could have done a lot worse...like I don't know, driving while impaired or something. But to fire serious shots like that and not get anything but a lecture and be forced to give an apology that wasn't really an apology is just stupid. Basically, what I'm saying is, I don't see Harbaugh standing for anything like that at all EVER, and if he would, I could never get on board with that.

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