ESPN MBB BPI...is a joke
Ok I know it's early and I know ESPN is a joke, but cummon man. ESPN BPI index has UM at #42! Wisky is at #8, Moo U is at #16, Iowa !!! at #25, Indiana #29, Purdue #36 and OSU at #37. WTF kinda ranking is that. 7th in the B1G? Why does ESPN exist?
November 1st, 2018 at 10:03 PM ^
November 1st, 2018 at 10:03 PM ^
We’ll just win the B1G tournament again. Winning by double digits over MSU again. And make a run in the NCAA tournament.
Izzo will flame out the first weekend for the 4th straight year, Fran will make the NIT. Indiana will be okay. And Greg Gard is Great Value Bo Ryan. Purdue has Carsen Edwards so they’ll be pretty good
November 2nd, 2018 at 6:35 AM ^
Izzo will flame out in the first weekend, but MSU will still be top ten in next year's preseason rankings
November 2nd, 2018 at 7:21 AM ^
So it is written, and so it shall be.
November 2nd, 2018 at 9:05 AM ^
Is that correct? Sparty hasn’t made sweet 16 the past 3 years?
Im not saying you’re wrong, I just didn’t realize that. Wow! LOL!!! That’s awesome. Because I hate Izzo with a passion!
(Plus, it’s fun just to repeat it....)
November 2nd, 2018 at 9:22 AM ^
YEP.
2016- First round loss to Middle Tenn State (hahaaha)
2017- Second round loss to Kansas
2018- Second round loss to Syracuse
November 1st, 2018 at 10:06 PM ^
Michigan BB is in good hands. ESPN can go sit in the corner.
November 1st, 2018 at 10:07 PM ^
8th*
Also, how is BPI even calculated this early?
November 1st, 2018 at 10:11 PM ^
That index is always a joke. They should be embarrassed. At one point for about two seconds it irked me, but now I just have fun laughing at it.
November 1st, 2018 at 10:15 PM ^
That is back assward, what!?!?
November 1st, 2018 at 10:15 PM ^
WHY ARE PEOPLE SAYING THINGS THAT MAKE ME MAD?
WHY CANT EVERYONE ACKNOWLEDGE OUR AWESOMENESS OR DIE IN A FIREY WRECK? GO BLUE. WE ARE #1 ESPN NOT #42
ESPN IS BAD MCAY? BAD!!!!!!!
woo
November 1st, 2018 at 10:26 PM ^
This guy gets it.
November 1st, 2018 at 10:46 PM ^
Bada Book Bada Boom!!!
November 1st, 2018 at 10:20 PM ^
Are we really gonna be that bad? I know we lost some key guys but geeze, we were national runners up last year and we have some good talent coming back.
November 1st, 2018 at 11:46 PM ^
Nope. John Beilein is good at things. I can sorta buy we're currently 24th in KenPom because I'm not sure who scores yet. I think we're probably actually higher than that now and by the end of the season we'll be... weirdly like a peak Bo Ryan team.
November 2nd, 2018 at 2:15 PM ^
I honestly prefer being under-ranked early. Less pressure on a young team trying to learn Beilein's system. Plus it won't be a big deal when we drop one to a crappier team in the first couple weeks. I much prefer peaking right when they put the brackets together.
November 1st, 2018 at 10:26 PM ^
BP what?? This means zilch. Because Beilein. Go Blue.
November 1st, 2018 at 10:28 PM ^
Time to unleash the basketball Murderwolf.
November 1st, 2018 at 10:38 PM ^
Fake sports news.
November 1st, 2018 at 10:38 PM ^
We were 9th in the Big Ten last pre-season and even worse the year before that.
At some point they might want to figure out why they keep under ranking us by so much. I think Wisconsin was ranked very high last year too.
November 2nd, 2018 at 10:55 AM ^
Most predictive models look back year over year to see the A/E ratio. That is, Actual to Expected. This shows errors in the model. You can see of they're correlated by going back 2, 3, 5, 10 years. And if they are, you can fix the model.
Or you can choose not to, I guess.
November 1st, 2018 at 10:45 PM ^
I like this rating. It makes great bulletin board stuff to motivate our team. I do not like high preseason ratings because the players might believe them and slack off. The only ratings that mean anything are those based on performance- not on speculation. ESPN really doesn't understand how Bellein develops players. They just believe that last season's record, personnel loses and recruiting ratings determine how a team will perform. They really don't believe that coaches do anything except design plays.
November 1st, 2018 at 10:53 PM ^
Stop Watching.
November 1st, 2018 at 11:08 PM ^
A learning center for ants maybe.
November 1st, 2018 at 11:19 PM ^
It is a joke, confirmed
November 1st, 2018 at 11:23 PM ^
They haven't even played a game yet. What is ESPN supposed to base their rankings on? It's a complete shot in the dark right now. Just chill.
November 2nd, 2018 at 10:57 AM ^
S&P, FEI, and KenPom all do this too. Its called "Predictive" modeling, not "Descriptive". Its a best guess.
November 1st, 2018 at 11:25 PM ^
We should stop being angry at them, ESPN is a complete wasteland and all of their talent has been removed for sTepHen A sMitH hot takes. Coach B will make them look like fools again, just give it some time.
November 1st, 2018 at 11:35 PM ^
ESPN is to be watched, not read.
November 2nd, 2018 at 10:57 AM ^
Scene, not (Cow)herd
November 2nd, 2018 at 5:38 AM ^
Makes sense, 2 major factors in BPI, especially this early, is returning production and recruiting rankings of incoming freshman.
I have no clue how good BPI is in its mid-season form, but it's always going to under-rank a team that just lost Moe, Rahk, etc and a coach that consistently finds the diamonds in the rough in recruiting.
November 2nd, 2018 at 9:00 AM ^
Ok, that's a good theory. I kinda thought the same thing, but the Fighting Izzos were a worse team last year, they lost as much as UM if not more and our recruiting class is as good if not better. Sooo, that doesn't work.
Btw, if that was the way it worked Maryland would be ranked higher as their recruiting class was the best in the B1G and they have some talent left, but Turgeon is a moron so....
November 2nd, 2018 at 9:02 AM ^
We had a pretty highly ranked recruiting class--but the best player in the class (Iggy) was not ranked because of Canada (despite Rivals, etc saying that he'd be a five-star if they actually ranked him). So (in addition to the reasons you gave) we're actively underrated by any numerical ranking system because of a blind spot.
November 2nd, 2018 at 11:09 AM ^
Rivals lists Iggy as a 5*. That wasn't a hypothetical, they just didn't give him a full ranking. 247 did and had him as a high 4*.
Any formula that ignores that is being sabotaged by somebody. Canadian players have made an impact in CBB in recent years. Trying to rank them isn't some new experiment though. Jevohn Shepherd was ranked by Rivals and Scout almost 15 years ago.
November 2nd, 2018 at 11:37 AM ^
Yes--Rivals and ESPN didn't give him numerical rankings, though, which would have figured into the 247 composite (and for ESPN's BPI, no numerical ranking for a recruit by ESPN would presumably mean he's not counted).
November 2nd, 2018 at 8:18 AM ^
Relying on a BPI at the first of November is like buying long term options on a company that has not finished its articles of incorporation. Or its business plan. Or knows what its product is.
November 2nd, 2018 at 9:55 AM ^
respekt?
November 2nd, 2018 at 11:17 AM ^
Why do people get upset about preseason stuff? Last i checked it had no bearing on how the season will play out.
November 2nd, 2018 at 12:22 PM ^
That's not true though. There's a huge statistical correlation between pre-season ranking and final ranking. Teams that start high get a big benefit of the doubt, even in losses. Teams that start low need to "prove it" and drop a lot more if they lose because they got "exposed". Yes, rankings have no bearing on how the team performs, but preseason rankings (at least AP type stuff, less so the preseason RPI/BPI which is more mechanical and also stupid) absolutely impact the team's eventual rankings.