Don't post it if you wouldn't say to the players parents

Submitted by Blue boy johnson on
I don't think any of us would have walked up to Mike Williams parents after the Illinois game and said, "your son sucks", so why do we do it here? I don't think alot of you comprehend how devastated these kids are after they perform poorly in a game. Have you seen the picture of Denard after the Iowa game? I have a 13 year old daughter who played poorly in a damn 8th grade volleyball playoff game. She was in tears afterwords because she felt she let her team down. The kids on Michigan or any other team are much the same. The coaches feel Mike Williams is the best option at safety and he is giving it his best, I applaud him for it. Thankfully most of us don't have 1000 experts analyzing our every move, waiting for a mistake to pounce upon, to justify telling us anonymously that we suck.

zohizzle101

November 4th, 2009 at 8:03 PM ^

...but as a fan its frustrating to consistently see missed tackles, blown assignments, etc. and the blames often going to be placed on the player even if he's trying his/her hardest. Not saying that it is right, but player's are often the first target than fans will usually go after

Captain

November 4th, 2009 at 8:11 PM ^

but would you tell your daughter that she played poorly in an eigth grade volley ball game? If so, harsh. If not, why post it here? I'd expand the sentiment and advocate not posting anything one wouldn't say to a player's parents or the players themselves. Gordie's suggestion does not eliminate criticism, merely poorly articulated, angry criticism.

Blue boy johnson

November 4th, 2009 at 9:09 PM ^

Right, right, right, good point, you said it better than I did. As far as my daughter, no I did not tell her she played poorly, she was well aware her sub-par performance. I can use her as an example here because she wouldn't read this blog if I paid her, and she is an anonymous character.

Ernis

November 4th, 2009 at 8:06 PM ^

It is the duty of the parents to tell their kids they suck. We shouldn't be doing Mike Williams' parents' job. This is America, after all.

pz

November 4th, 2009 at 8:11 PM ^

who knows if players and their parents are actually reading mgoblog? They may well be, and while have to have judgements and analysis that are sometimes negative, attacks on effort, personal traits, etc should be avoided.

Captain

November 4th, 2009 at 9:17 PM ^

At one point or another, we've all fallen into the tantalizing pit of shame and...googled ourselves (yeah, yeah don't deny it). Why would these kids be any different? As a die-hard supporter of the maize and blue, I don't want something I posted to deflate a player or organization I so vehemently support. Even if the players or their families are not regular readers of the blog, information has a funny way of reaching unintended destinations. If you want to attack someone for something that happens on or off the field, fine, by all means do it. But do it in a manner you would happily proclaim without the cloak of internet anonymity should the criticism reach its source.

Ziff72

November 4th, 2009 at 8:13 PM ^

I appreciate your sentiment, but you give a forum way too much credit. If a player blows on the field, he will most likely feel terrible afterwards. Then he will go to film study and be humiliated in front of his teammates as they review the game. Then the coaches will try to improve his play by going over his mistakes with them. At that point even if someone saw their name on the internet and clicked on it and saw some guy wrote he sucked, I'm not sure it would phase him much. The players know where they stand. When they accept the "free" $100,000+ education they understand what they are signing up for. If they didn't like the competition/pressure they would go to divison 3 and stay anonymous.

tricks574

November 4th, 2009 at 8:19 PM ^

No need for cheap insults and name calling. Still, these players knew what they were getting into when they came to a big time college, and part of that is being criticized for poor play. I don't think its out of hand to say a player played awful, it happens, sometimes they play awful their entire career. I wouldn't say they are bad people or make judgments on their character, but I'll be damned if I'm not gonna say they suck because it would hurt their feelings. If they don't like it, play better, and if they can't, go somewhere else.

tricks574

November 4th, 2009 at 9:06 PM ^

We all want the camera on us when we succeed. They get to play for a storied program and get a free education, we can point it out if they suck. If it offends them, tough shit, I know a ton of people who would put up with it in order to get what our players have.

Seth9

November 4th, 2009 at 8:22 PM ^

...that you have to accept that when you mistakes, fans will likely give you shit. It sucks, but at the same time, they are legally adults now and they should be able to take the fact that some people aren't going to be happy when they screw up. I can understand a policy in which we don't describe players with a large amount of profanity, say that they suck completely and shouldn't be on the team, or other things that we do when describing NFL players who suck. But at the same time, I'm not going to refrain from saying something along the lines of "Jonas Mouton screws up in a big way virtually every game" just because he feels bad about making mistakes.

Ziff72

November 4th, 2009 at 8:24 PM ^

Brian: Hello Mr Sheridan nice to meet you. Mr Sheridan: So Brian I hear you run that blog on Michigan football Brian: Yes Sir since 2004 Mr Sheridan: I loved my time there, you know my son goes there. what do you think of him? Brian: Well when I see him come onto the field I want to kill myself, but standing on the sidelines he seems like a perfectly nice young man.

Ziff72

November 5th, 2009 at 9:28 AM ^

I knew about Bill Sheridan's role on the Giants. It kinda made it funnier in my head, but the key was obviously Brian's Sheridan=Death vs the theme of the post. Hard to get more critical than that I think.

bdubya

November 4th, 2009 at 8:28 PM ^

"Thankfully most of us don't have 1000 experts analyzing our every move, waiting for a mistake to pounce upon, to justify telling us anonymously that we suck." The flipside to that is that I don't have 1,000 people telling me how awesome I am when I don't pee on the seat. But I do agree, and I am always for people being more respectful. I know that in the heat of the moment it might be hard to hold back, but it just makes you look like an unpleasant person to call out a kid who wants to succeed even more than you want him to.

kmd

November 4th, 2009 at 11:50 PM ^

Sometimes there's hilarious discrepancies where somebody gets ripped on the board for saying something, but then it's ok if the fearless leader says it. When Glenn Winston blew out his knee, somebody made a forum post and said "maybe this is karma?". People went off about how technically it wouldn't be karma it's at best divine justice, you're a horrible human being for taking joy in somebody else's injury, we should be better than that as Michigan fans, and blah blah blah. A day or two later, Brian posts a link on Mgolicious about Winston's injury with the description "karma?", and nobody seemed to mind very much.

allansrule

November 4th, 2009 at 9:18 PM ^

To Board - "Brandon Graham is a vicious fucking hell-beast and a bad-ass motherfucker." To Mrs. Graham - "I'm honored to meet you. Your son is a credit to our organization. He is a true "Michigan Man". You should be very proud." To Board - "David Cone rapping about spaying Febreze on the mic 'cause when he's rappin' he be shittin' is some seriously funny shit." To Mrs. Cone - "I'm honored to meet you. Your son is a credit to our organization. He is a true "Michigan Man". You should be very proud."

NOLA Wolverine

November 4th, 2009 at 9:40 PM ^

These kids are getting a FULL RIDE scholarship to attend the University of Michigan. If the people who pay for tickets that help allow those scholarships to exist finds the tackling they witnessed appauling, then I would say they have a right to express that. It's not analogus to your daughter, because your daughter isn't being payed to play volleyball (YES getting a scholarship is getting paid, just ask any college student how beneficial no school costs would be). Any threatening, non-performance based, or extreme insults shouldnt be said obviously, but "Mike Williams needs to step up and make those tackles," is completely warranted. Stating facts is not a crime, and it shouldn't get such a negative connotation. If being called out on under-performing is the only trade off to getting free schooling, I'll take that every single time.

WildcatBlue

November 4th, 2009 at 9:50 PM ^

To the Board: "Lloyd didn't bring in all these shady Florida kids with their dreadlocks and coke deals." To Mrs. Odoms: "...I like Dave Chappelle..." To Debord: "You were not good at your job." To Mrs. Debord: "Your son was quite bad at his job."

allansrule

November 4th, 2009 at 10:28 PM ^

To Debord: "Your services as Lloyd's chauffeur were much appreciated." To Mrs. Debord: "You should be very proud of your son. He er..uh..knows how to drive a car."