Do you have the same emotional investment in M Football you once did?
As I got further away from my student years at M, my passion and investment in the program actually increased as I got older, complete with all the wild swings of positivity, negativity, anger, BPONE, thrills, etc. The 2018 OSU game crushed me, but I recovered to my usual level for last season. Then came the Army game I watched in the stadium, and the Wisconsin loss. After that game I made a personal decision that I was not going to ever again get angry at college kids and coaches playing football games. I still watch every game, I still go to mgoblog daily, but if we go 9-3? Ok, there is still pleasure to be had in watching. Concerns over defensive recruiting? Yep, but ok. An OSU loss? I watched last year's game, was disappointed but never once angry or even frustrated.
I'm not in BPONE, that's a daily negative expectation, I'm in "just watch the guys play and it's ok" mode. For me there's some freedom in pulling away a bit, and I'm confident I won't be angry again at the things that used to drive me crazy.
So have any of you decided something similar? Do you still have the same emotional investment you once did?
After "The Spot" something left me and I started to adopt the mindset of we're going 9-3 roughly every year unless proven otherwise. I don't invest in rumors or the fact that we have highly rated recruits or anyone's predictions anymore because we've been burned just about every time. I still watch, cheer, and to to games but the passion for it has toned down. Hopefully sometime in the next 5 years we'll take down Ohio State and win the Big Ten and the spark will come back.
The reality is that Michigan football is as good as it has been in the lifetime of everyone on this site. Michigan just happened to have a once in a generation player in Woodson who helped bring a share of a championship to the program. And OSU has gone from equal footing with Michigan, where they both were very good and almost elite, to one of THE elites. Which has made a lot of fans mad because they want Michigan to keep up. With that said, I’m still as enthusiastic about it as ever. My wife and I make it to every game we can. My house is maize and blue, both of my trucks are, 90% of my wardrobe is maize and blue. Social media has played a big factor in people’s expectations and their letdowns.
Michigan is still recruiting as well as they did under Carr, their winning percentage is just as good(against a better Big Ten and way better rival I might add), and Harbaugh runs a good program that has some downfalls. He is too set in his ways in a few things(injuries mostly - he takes a very old school approach and I know some parents of players who wish they didn’t let their kids play for him after injuries). But this is the same Michigan it has always been, just somewhere down the line people started believing that Michigan has always been in the national championship conversation and always had a top 3 class, which was NEVER reality.
So to answer your question I’m just as big a fan now as I always have been. I think with the staff changes and a few different leaders Michigan should have a great season. If not, it might be time to look at some new options. But I think people are going to have to get a grip on reality to be honest. Hopefully the new NIL stuff helps Michigan, as I believe it will. The top 15 schools are going to be impacted a lot more than others.
If we were recruiting as well as we used to we would have a lot more all americans and higher draft picks like we used to. Look at 1990 to 2007. Multiple on nearly every team.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Michigan_Wolverines_football_All-Americans
Carr coached 54 NFL draft picks as head coach. Eighteen of those 54 picks over the past 13 years were selected in the first two rounds and 34 players were chosen in the first four rounds of the draft.
The Wolverines have had 31 draft picks in Jim Harbaugh's five-season tenure — three in 2016, 11 in 2017, two in 2018, five in 2019 and 10 in 2020. 5 have been drafted in the first round and 6 in the first two rounds. 19 have been drafted in the first four rounds.
Let’s project Jim Harbaugh based on these numbers. In ten years projections say Jim would have 12 picks in the first two rounds and 38 in the first four rounds. That would be six less picks in the first two rounds but 4 more in the first four. That’s in ten vs Carr’s 13. Carr had 25 in the first four rounds in ten years. Jim only needs 6 more to reach 25 in the first four rounds. Lloyd also only had 6 first round picks in his first ten years. Harbaugh has 5 in 5 years. He needs only one more to match Carr’s selections over his first ten years.
And just so we’re clear scouts project Jaylen Mayfield to be a top 15 pick and Daxton Hill would have to sit on a rock for the next three years to not be a first rounder. So there’s two guys right now in Michigan’s roster with a first round grade. Which would put Harbaugh over Lloyd’s production in ten years.
Just so we stick in reality here too Bo had 13 first rounders in 21 years. Also might wanna check Lloyd’s career winning percentage with all those All-Americans. He wasted more talent than most. He had stacked rosters in 97, 2000, and 2006. He had to have one guy carry him to a share of a national championship.
Also here’s Michigan class rankings from 2002 to 2007 in football. 14, 5, 6, 6, 5, 10, and 11. Avg class ranking - 87.99
Harbaugh class rankings - 37(transition year still class ranking of 87.8), 8, 5, 22, 8, and 14. Avg class ranking - 89.78
Right now Michigan is at 10th in this class with an 89.43 rating. For those counting at home Harbaugh still has a higher avg class ranking and the class ranking for this year is in line with the rest.
This seems true, I assume the facts are correct. What also seems true to me is this; I watched our game against MSU with Braylon, Henne and Hart last night and thought to myself that with one exception, Denard, we haven't had a single offensive guy as productive and talented as college players as any of those three guys (not even counting Breaston!) were since Carr.
Jeremy Gallon had a heck of a senior year. Most receiving yards in a season for a Michigan football player and he’s top five all time for receiving yards in a game. Also torched Notre Dame for 3 touchdowns and over 180 yards. I know he doesn’t play for Harbaugh but people forget how good his senior season ended up being. I think the offense finally has some guys recruited that will start making noise like that. Hoke did a very poor job bringing in skill position guys. A lot of big burly receivers and poor offensive line. Jake Butt was a heck of a tight end, they just don’t get a lot of glory.
I think with Warinner around you’ll finally seems some guys able to produce like in those days. The offensive line was so poor for so long it was very hard to get anything productive done on offense. Gattis in year 2 with Warinner should be a heck of a combo. Nico Collins will have one of those years you’re looking for I believe. Charbonnet also will benefit greatly from playing behind a Warinner line. He’s every bit the level of a Chris Perry or Mike Hart in terms of ability. He just needs to stay healthy. Corum also looks like a guy who could produce exceptionally well. They have A.J. Henning who may not have great size, but he’s a player. He’s a top 100 recruit who will make some noise. Cornelius Johnson already got some playing time last year and could develop into a legit guy and step into Nico’s shoes once he is gone.
i get that it hasn’t been flashy or there hasn’t been one guy you can look at and say man when we need yards he’s our guy. But you’ll start to see that this season with Charbonnet and Collins. And they have some pieces coming in behind them. As well as a guy like Giles Jackson who is dangerous. That man with the ball in his hands is a threat to score at all times. That is what Michigan has needed since Denard. I know there are things to be worked on, but I think Harbaugh does somewhat get it. Gattis in year two ought to show us a lot of the projection for Michigan football. As well as Brown having the two new defensive coaches. I know Shoop isn’t the best recruiter but that man can coach some defense. I’d like to see how this year goes. It’s a Harbaugh QB in a good offense mated with a defense that is going to get some different looks from a few ex-coordinators that should change some stuff up.
I don't disagree that Carr wasted talent too, and inherited a shit ton of talent from Gary Moeller, but even so more guys were playing to their potential in college than now under Carr in the 2000s. The 2017 draft class is skewing the data. That team had serious talent and multiple All Americans like a lot of Carr's teams. Do you see a team in the future with that kind of talent recruited by Harbaugh? I certainly don't.
Oh hell no. When I was younger (teen-early 20s), when Michigan lost I done with football the rest of the day. I knew if I watched football they would talk about that game. Every time I would watch ESPN and glance at the bottom line, I would always see the Michigan score and only the Michigan score. The Horror and the RR years turned me into a "it's just a game" person. I go to games, I enjoy ever win. I don't let the loss dictate my mode anymore.
We have learned over the years that Michigan sports is going to rip out our hearts, it's just a matter of when.
My fandom and passion also seemed to increase after I graduated in 1994. I guess school occupied a lot of my mental bandwidth. My passion seemed to grow year after year and especially so as the Internet became ubiquitous.
I would say my passion peaked during the RR years, after I joined MGoBlog. I was newly married but we did not have kids so I had a decent amount of time to devote to my Michigan fandom. But those three years drained me and I became over-saturated with opinions and arguments.
I think I mentally took a couple steps back when Hoke came in partly because I was uninspired by the coaching hire and felt we'd be in for another change in a few years' time. Then Harbaugh happened and much of my fandom was restored but now I am more level-headed and mature about everything. But I also have a toddler now so there's that.
This almost describes me to a T. I’m the same age as you, my fandom didn’t really take off until age ~20 or so. And now I just watch cause I want the players to do well and have vowed to never talk shit about them as if they owe me anything. They aren’t robots.
I still look forward to games and get nervous for the bigger ones but it’s not anywhere near where it was a few years ago.
no. my michigan fandom is attached to football foremost. until M football is a better product...i seek other entertainment. didnt renew season tickets 5 years ago. havent bought any new M attire in a decade. stopped encouraging my children to closely follow...why give them stress and frustration a child doesnt need. when there is a better product i will again reallocate my entertainment dollars.
No. If we won as much as Alabama does, I think the answer would still be no, but admittedly the down seasons and lack of championships do play a role. I still think the bigger factor is how corrupt everything is today. Cheat with impunity, the NCAA won't care or do anything. Pay obscene salaries to everyone (position coaches getting $500K, coordinators getting $2M, head coaches approaching $10 million). The over-the-top facilities. It's a horrible allocation of societal resources at best. And nobody anywhere cares about anything but winning. Back in the day the players were still more athletes than student-athletes, but now most "successful" programs don't even pretend. If in the past they were 80-90% athletes and 20-10% students, now it's more like 98-100% and 2-0%.
I'm amazed that doing things the right way means nothing to people, but I think the money is just too great. University presidents and athletic directors make $1 million per year. In another world, in another place, they would place more weight on integrity and honesty and playing by the rules. But they turn a blind eye or actively enable the sleaze because alumni like to win and will remove anyone who looks like they're a threat to that. These presidents and ADs don't want to take massive pay cuts by moving to smaller schools, so they sell their souls, and let guys like Urban Meyer teach classes on Integrity and Leadership. Fans and alumni that support all of that are awful and have a big share of the blame, as are newspaper reporters who don't talk about assaults, steroids, improper benefits, etc., just because they are equally-screwed up fanboys who like to go to the head coach's BBQ every summer or whatever. It's all an ugly reflection on society.
Yes, the traditional way of doing things is now totally out the window these days. Plus, it will only get worse, ie new NCAA likeness rules for student athletes.
I'm in the exact same place as you are OP.
Yes and No. I love watching Michigan football, but I have soured on college football as a whole. The SEC/ACC way of doing things has bastardized the game and the NCAA has sold it's soul and won't do anything about it.
I find that the emotional rollercoaster that goes on in defeat makes the winning that much sweeter.
when the pistons won it all last time is was amazing because of how the Bad Boys regime went down in flames at the end. If they won consistently through the years, it wouldn’t have been that special. It’s the bad shit that makes the good shit so great.
One can always ask; What is fandom? It's about loyalty to your favorite team, player or players. Maybe 95-99% of Michigan alums love their (me too) Maize and Blue teams and want them to succeed. Michigan football is #1 with me, even as a track alum. I have always had a vested interest to see my brethren be successful and winning.
I try not to get too emotional about Michigan winning or losing in football as I try to look at the bigger picture; it's only game and there's more to life if the team does win or lose. It's too easy to get caught up in the moment. Last year's FB team almost lost to Army, got blown out again Wisc and of course lost big to OSU, again. It hurts and the wounds eventually heal.
As for comparing the Michigan FB program to OH State, I can only accept reality that the Buckeyes are better than us for the time being. That could be the case for several more years.
My pecking order in Michigan sports are 1) Football, 2) Basketball, 3) Track and Cross Country, 4) Softball, 5) Baseball.. then all the rest.
My emotional investment ebbs and flows. It's a rollercoaster and I try to smooth out the highs and lows. I am a typical fan, not overly invested and closely follow and analyze every football recruiting moment and also not disinterested, especially when the chips are down.
I was enraged when the Big Ten handed OSU the 2016 win on a silver platter. I got the stomach flu after the 2018 OSU game. I didn't even watch last year's version.
Now I realize there's no point in listening to anything resembling hope for Michigan football because despair will simply win out year after year. Without overhauling the culture surrounding Michigan football (embracing the football factory they want to be, stop the charade of academics, offer players their market value in recruiting, etc), Michigan isn't competing with Ohio State. Certainly not now: OSU outrecruits Michigan AND overprepares for Michigan to the point where it's actually bad for OSU (case in point: last year, where OSU could have forfeited The Game and still played Clemson in the playoff). Brady Hoke overprepared against Ohio State and it saw him chased out of town in 4 years, having to lose to 3+ opponents for a competitive game. Rich Rod tried to overhaul Michigan's football culture only to get zero institutional support + shunned as an outsider before getting chased out of town in 3.
Things that might bring me back: Michigan telling the Big Ten to go fuck itself and dropping out, both as payback for the 2016 travesty and embracing its 2011 desire to become Notre Dame; Michigan throwing bagman money around to inexplicably pull as good/better recruiting classes than OSU; Michigan beating Ohio State (haha); the NCAA changing its structure to allow for >4 good NCAA teams any given year.
Congrats Big Ten; you've sold your soul to Meyer-zebub and now get to reap the consequences of The Game dying. Good luck reviving the magic of a titanic buildup with OSU and... Penn State?
No, no they didn't. Making that call, in real time, when it was ridiculous close; I don't know how fans are still mad about it. When I watched it live, I said yeah, it's close, but they ain't changing that spot. It was within INCHES.
Instead of bitching at the refs about the "spot," how about you get mad at the team for letting a dude, basically stopped for a five yard loss on 3rd and 9, somehow get around a bunch of defenders and gaining 8?
This is why a lot of the Michigan fan base gets the shit they do. Because it's always SOMEONE ELSE except the team.
Straw man; nowhere in my post did I "bitch... about the spot." It was the obviously slanted officiating throughout the game leading up to the spot that I take exception with. Not to mention the ball was spotted as an obvious first down (laces straddling the 15-yard line) instead of the best-case scenario per the video review (nose barely breaking the plane of the 15-yard line), so yeah the spot was bad too. (just not in the way your straw man would argue)
I do bitch about letting OSU commit 2 holds on the play beforehand, allowing a dude stopped for a 5-yard loss to gain 8. About calling PI + defensive holding against Michigan for several infractions while never calling it against OSU despite obvious violations on the tape. About the late hit RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE REF without a flag while Harbaugh being Harbaugh gets OSU 15 yards. About the OSU receiver running his route a yard shy of a first down but the refs' spot grants the first down anyway.
When the #2 team in the country is given unlimited breaks by the refs while the #3 team gets zero, the #2 team can take advantage. Michigan has to own its mistakes; OSU doesn't have to own theirs because of the refs.
There were SEVERAL holds on the 3rd and 9 play. That how he “somehow got around a bunch of defenders and gaining 8.” Go back and watch it. SEVERAL holds all over the field. Blatant. And the OSU supporting refs wouldn’t even think of making a call. That game was bullshit. I don’t blame the refs, but I do for that game.
No, not at all.
My sentiments. Finally got my season tickets in 1980, haven't missed a home game ever since. Been to the enemy stadiums, OSU and MSU numerous times for the game years ago. The wife would not even talk me to after a loss back then, took them personally. Now, love the game day experience, but if it's a loss, oh well, life goes on.
Definitely less invested. Not sure if it's age or the recent history of OSU dominance or a combination of the two.
The first 10 years after graduating form UM I was a bigger fan than when I was a student - maybe it was a way to hold on to my college experiences.
The past 8 years, even with the infusion of HARBAUGH, I've definitely been less interested.
Combo of RR, Hoke, and OSU deathstar/Harbaugh era dong punches have taken their toll, but I'm sure age has as well.
2016 OSU was was the dong punch that broke the camel's nut sack for me. My enthusiasm has really diminished since.
The complete acceptance of mediocrity with regard to the football program has dampened my enthusiasm a bit. It is definitely not unknown to mankind.
I understand people who still feel as passionately about it as they did when they were younger but, to me, too many other things have happened in my adult life for me to get too upset or elated about a bunch of 18-22 year olds moving an oblong ball across while another group of 18-22 year olds try to stop them.
I enjoy it and, if we win, great, if we lose, bummer, but either way I’m over it within 24 hours.
I’m still a fan, although becoming older inherently gives you another perspective. It’s just a game. In fact, the term “sport” implies that it is not something to be taken seriously.
My time at Michigan was 1984-1991; I did my surgery residency then. I was not on the undergrad campus much, but I saw Harbaugh (including a funny visit to the ER when I was an intern), Greg Skrepenak, Jumbo Elliott, Desmond Howard, Greg McMurtry and others around town, particularly on South U and the State/Packard area. They had friends that weren’t athletes, they had back packs on ( de rigueur for students then), in short they were a true part of the U of M community, U of M students who happened to be good at playing football. Played golf with Clay Miller (All Big Ten guard) a couple of times; his buddy he was with both times was a guy he met in the dorms who was 5’7” and maybe 140 lbs soaking wet, ie not an athlete. The point of all this is that it was easy to be a fan, to cheer these guys whom you knew vicariously on football Saturdays was quite literally a thrill. What would make me lose interest, more than any wins or losses, is the greater professionalization of college football. My daughter graduated in 2018-she knew a handful of the football team, also roomed with a couple members of the softball team, so it’s not quite there-yet. If college football reaches the point that the members of the team are semi professional athletes, who only take online classes so they remain quasi eligible, who are strangers to the campus- then I will lose complete interest. Brian noted that Justin Fields referred to the OSU campus “as a European city he’d like to visit one day”. That is the definition of jumping the shark. I am not alone in this feeling, I know several others who feel the same way.
Basketball has already gone the way of professionalism with the one and dones. Those kids are literally there one and a half semesters, and never become part of the fabric of the university. Trust me, interest in college basketball, outside of March Madness, is a fraction of what it was in the 1970s and 80s, and I think the disconnect between athlete and the university is a substantial part of it. I can remember as a kid growing up in LA watching almost every televised UCLA basketball game. I now start watching college basketball if Michigan is in the Sweet Sixteen. For me, the professionalization is a greater threat to my interest in college football than frustrating losses to OSU. Old guy rant over....
I'm definitely not following recruiting as closely as I used to. I just kind of skim the hello posts and look at where we are in National Rankings. I used to be able to tell you tidbits and rankings of each commit.
As for the games, I've developed a weird "killswitch" type thing, where as soon as I see the usual symptoms of an OSU game collapse, bowl game collapse, (Men's BBall National Championship games), etc etc my mind just kind of says "ok, we've seen this before, fuck this, don't let it ruin your day/week". I didn't have that ability in the past -- losses would ruin my week.
The depressing thing about following recruiting is that your class rank typically corresponds to where your team ranks 3 years later. So everyone should expect finishing second to osu unless we get lucky, develop a Heisman level QB, or the coaching staff steps up.
Yes. First from recruiting, and now from the sports themselves. I’ll still watch all games but following everything outside of that is as minimal as possible. Less news. Less shit talking other fan bases. Don’t follow players and coaches or read their off-season interviews. Honestly it’s just not worth investing time and emotion in something that I have no control over anymore. I’ll never stop watching the games, though. I just won’t be as informed as I was in the past, nor will I have expectations that will - inevitably - be dashed. If we win, awesome. If not, well then whatever. It is what it is. It’s honestly more fun this way. Less expectation isn’t a bad thing.
I'm angry for a day or so. Still love this blog and community on game days. I think the most galling part is going into a road game vs decent comp under JIM HARBAUGH and realizing Michigan will lose. And could lose bad. That's why the Penn state game this past season was actually bittersweet. We lost, but played from behind and came back to nearly take it into over time. In happy valley. At night. During a whiteout. I was stunned since I expected a 28 point drubbing. If just even that could happen more regularly (coin flip close games on road vs decent comp) I would feel better about things. It would actually be improvement! The other thing I'm more focused on is... DOGS. I will support any Michigan player that brings that Michael Jordan effort each game. Watching the bulls documentary on ESPN made me realize: growing up in 90s, Jordan made me love basketball because of his incredible PERSISTENCE at excellence. Then Kobe came. In football you got guys like Tom Brady. That's what we come for, why we tune in.
Nope. It's become clear that schools that cheat generally get away with it with no or inconsequential consequence. Schools that don't compete for scraps on the recruiting trail.
College football has been less and less interesting as more and more money has piled into it.
Too bad.
After the rich rod and hoke years I lost a lot of interest. But when we hired Harbaugh I was all fired up. I knew he was going to get us Big ten championships in a few years. It’s been 5 disappointing years and I don’t see us ever competing against osu. I almost hope the season gets cancelled just so I don’t have to see us lose a game or 2 we should have won and then get destroyed by osu.
Do you have the same emotional investment in M Football you once did?
No, I do not have the investment I did from the decade of the mid 90's to the mid 00s when I was in my 20s.
Definitely not. I don't know exactly what all the factors that go into it are, but as I've gotten older I've definitely become less emotionally invested. I still love watching the games here with my friends from the alumni club, I still yell and get a lot of enjoyment out of big wins and exciting plays, but after the game it's over and on to real life which is a whole lot more interesting to me than watching other people do things.
Weirdly enough, I've actually gotten to the point where I'd rather watch Michigan lose a good, close game against a good opponent than beat up on the Rutgers-es of the world. There's just zero point to the latter for me. Blasphemous to quite a few I'm sure, but I'd rather college football played an evenly matched schedule where 9-3 is a really good year rather than a floor for good programs based on talent disparity.
Overinvestment in college sports is a disease and for me Rich Rodriguez was the cure. Or at least the numbing agent.
I’m all in. The good thing is after a loss, I’m able to move on.
Michigan, at some point, will take the next step.
I have stepped back my expectations a little for on field performance and don’t get hung up on recruiting too much. I’ve been way too emotionally disturbed by decommitments in the past. I now just take a passive approach and it’s much better. Highly recommended.
I have long recognized the absurdity of this sickness and yet I can't wait for Washington game
Yep, I became an adult. While that sounds dickish it’s essentially true. I used to throw shit and yell at the tv, etc. I still love to watch and try to make time, but really worrying about and letting something that I cant change the outcome of a bit ruin my day, seems pretty stupid now. I still yell at the tv a bit but it’s almost always watching the game recorded so I don’t have to sit through commercials.
I’m kinda at the point where if something comes up on Saturday’s, I’ll go do that rather than making Michigan Football a priority.
Winning doesn’t appear to be a priority within the AD, so long as the stadium is filled (doesn’t matter what fanbase nowadays), people are consuming ridiculously overpriced concession foods, and are donning the Maize N’ Blue attire.
Harbaugh seems content. Warde seems content. Most fans seem content. So why bother?
Tuff I couldn’t agree more with you. Just isn’t worth paying the price for what they put out there.
Contentedness is the enemy.
Let the Harbaugh experience be a lesson for Michigan. Never hire a guy for whom the job is a dream come true, because you'll end up nothing but disappointed.
So NE is in the same boat! Frost has a worse go of it than Harbaugh, he cannot even get into a bowl game. I guess hometown heroes don't always win.
I thinks so, but even more I’ve tempered my expectations a lot. When Harbaugh got here I figured “championship or bust” but that was clearly too high of a standard.
I’m going to enjoy the games when the team plays well and turn off the tv when they don’t.
I do for every game besides osu, sadly, I don’t expect much positive when we play them anymore.
So will you be less emotional and excited when we finally beat OSU in 202_?
*2030
I've been a fan (to varying extents - strongest after my years at UM) of UM football for close to 40 years now and grow less attached to it as it progresses towards moneyball instead of actual "college student" game. I still watch the games but gave up the season tickets recently and not sure if I will ever renew.
After the 2015 MSU game, I decided I was never again going to get so emotionally invested in the team ever again. Not because I was so mad at them for losing, but because the amount of anger I had over the way the loss happened was embarrassing. I got so mad that even my dog was afraid of getting near me for an hour or so, and my wife told me for the first time ever, and in a serious, not ha-ha kind of way, "You need to CALM THE FUCK DOWN."
The 2016 OSU game pretty much broke whatever emotional investment I had left. After that I just resigned myself to the belief that no matter what, the season was going to end in heartbreak. So why get invested in that? I got so sick and tired of everything getting built up, just to see it all come crashing down in epic fashion, against the same fucking team year, after year, after year, after year. I got so sick of OSU fans getting to bask in unending glory and sports happiness while we spent every November in a corner feeling sorry for ourselves. Even in 2018, when OSU looked like dogshit every week, I went into that game absolutely terrified. I felt like Michigan was still not ready for the moment, and OSU could wake up right then and there. They did. All their lights went on, and all of ours went off.
I love Michigan. I hope they do well, and yes, in the back of my mind I hope they kick OSU's ass. But I know it won't happen. I know how the season is going to end, and I know they're going to show up in the Outback/Citrus/NY6 bowl and lay a fucking egg because the team just doesn't want to be there. At this point, hoping for Michigan to beat OSU is like hoping someone will develop a vaccine for COVID by next week. It's just not going to happen.