Devin Gardner talking about Cade/Rutgers

Submitted by blueblooded14 on September 28th, 2021 at 12:03 PM

Just listened to "Monday Morning Quarterback" with Devin Gardner and Same Webb. Was extremely impressed with Devin's insights. He seems to have a greater depth of understanding, understandably so, than many others analyzing Michigan football. 

One of the most interesting insights was his observation that Cade's mechanics have been deteriorating the last couple of weeks. Also, he discussed how being hit can affect a player mentally and emotionally (e.g. ND 2013). I also paid close attention to his comments about the second-half play calling. He walks through those drives in detail and has convinced me that this is not necessarily a coaching/playcalling issue. We had players out there who didn't make plays. Also, Rutgers might be a decent team.

Suggest you take a listen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0O7s-u0ObtU

rob f

September 28th, 2021 at 1:17 PM ^

Although I haven't yet listened to anything other than the first couple minutes of the podcast, I agree with Devin that Cade's mechanics need work. That was something I and my football buddies were discussing at our.post-game tailgate last Saturday---Cade's footwork was especially bad in the latter part of the game when it was obvious he had "happy feet" and I don't mean in a good way.  

Not only did Cade bail out on his protection too quickly rather than step up in the pocket, but he wasn't putting himself in position with the proper footwork to make good throws.

Vote_Crisler_1937

September 28th, 2021 at 10:13 PM ^

Speight, Patterson, now Cade. Did not have happy feet their first year, maybe Patterson did a little, but all seemed to bail on clean pockets a lot more their second year (it’s early yet for Cade so more so Speight and Patterson). What is the deal with that? Could that be a Harbaugh thing? 

swan flu

September 28th, 2021 at 12:11 PM ^

Okay but where was Henning? Why do we continue to NOT use the electric players we have available to us? 

 

Truth is always somewhere between the extremes. But it's been 5+ years of wasting athletic ability on offense.

Carpetbagger

September 28th, 2021 at 12:20 PM ^

If a couple of the posters here are correct, and his routes aren't good, the only thing you are doing by putting him on the field is tipping him running the ball. Or wasting a down throwing it in his direction.

Lots of receivers are fast on our team. We just don't have a complete receiver (yet).

Speaking of routes. Doesn't everyone grow up watching Jerry Rice videos on how to run routes? I did and I couldn't catch a cold.

Golden section

September 29th, 2021 at 9:41 AM ^

According to Gardner's analysis, which I found really insightful, most of the passing miscues were on McNamara.  Most small mental errors are correctable.

He sighted one passing play where there were 3  receivers. Johnson on a hitch was wide open but Cade didn't look at the receivers. He looked, instead,  in the middle of the field to the check down tight end whom was covered. 

Another 3rd and 10 play Cade rolled out and ran. He had Corum wide open 6 yards in front but chose to keep it and got 6 yards. 

On a 4th quarter option read he kept and didn't had it off and got TFL'd.  All those are correctable mental errors.

The mechanics issues are a lot more concerning because you don't work on them during the season. He mentioned a first half crossing route where s safety was on Henning. McNamara recognized it but  because he was bouncing he threw it late. You can't throw in the air, and it was off target- poor mechanics leads to poor accuracy.

Overall I found Gardner really informative. I will never say, "Oh they just ran it up the middle' again.

bronxblue

September 28th, 2021 at 1:10 PM ^

They threw twice to him, one that was short (and he seemed to run a bad route on) and the other he clearly didn't run properly because he was a good 10 yards past where Cade threw it.  

I get a bit of a Giles Jackson vibe right now with Henning - he's electric with the ball in his hand but struggles to consistently run the routes and catch the balls thrown to him.  Like, all I heard offseason was Jackson was going to be flourish at UW and he currently sits at 8 catches for 89 yards, half of that coming in the first game of the year.  I still think Henning can develop into a good WR but I get a sense he's still learning.

PNWBlue

September 28th, 2021 at 2:55 PM ^

UW season ticket holder here, and you’re spot on.  Jackson is largely only seeing KR reps, and some WR run with the 2s/3s. He was pressed into some PR duties last week due to injury,  UW’s receiver corps was short handed the first couple of games, but since then he isn’t seeing many offensive snaps when it matters. 

Hail to the Vi…

September 28th, 2021 at 12:18 PM ^

Yea, I really like Devin on Monday Morning quarterback, and he did provide some pretty good context related to the second half play calling - that I know everyone is aware of, but perhaps are not putting into frame properly - through the first 4 series of the second half, Michigan ran 12 offensive plays. 6 of those 12 plays were incomplete passes. 

So basically, fans are trying to discern if this offensive staff is a bunch of neanderthal, manball running oafs based on six rushing plays in the second half. We now have the luxury (as do the coaches) of going back and evaluating what Rutgers was doing, and can confirm running into the B and C gaps was playing right into the adjustments Rutgers had made on defense. But we also didn't get an opportunity to get to some of the other things perhaps we had in store for the second half because we missed on six first down throws in a row, most of which were open, just misses by the quarterback.

All of this is not to justify Michigan running into stacked boxes. Just that we can see the snowball effect when the offense gets off schedule and misses on opportunities to pick up first downs. The offensive staff has fewer opportunities to evaluate what Rutgers is doing, and we place a much greater emphasis on the success of each individual play because each play call is such a scarce opportunity.

It was an ugly second half for sure. There were some not great play calls in the second half, yes. The bigger problem in my mind was the execution of the pass offense, because we couldn't get anything to build off of and force Rutgers defense to stay on the field so Michigan could better diagnose what they were doing and respond. A couple of stuffed runs and some badly missed throws, kept Michigan from moving the sticks, paired with Rutgers drives that chewed up tons of clock and we get the result we got on Saturday. It was ugly, I don't know that it suggests the offense is broken or the play calling was asinine. Again, we only got to run 12 plays.

MarcusBrooks

September 28th, 2021 at 4:39 PM ^

problem I had other than the missed passes of course was that our QB is ZERO run threat and everyone knows it, so WHY do we insist on running plays that seem like read option when the QB just hands off everytime, until the last time where they could sniff it out a mile away and we ran he QB right into a blitz, on that play IF it was a read he should have given to Corum who had a head of steam. 

if Cade isn't any good on those plays then stop running them, they also didn't attack the edges, we get it the QB couldnt hit the passes, but were all of those good calls? 

he is missing the easy open guy, throwing it wide of the target (same pass he missed at the Goal line) 

it's not all on the OC, but mainly on the QB who isn't seeing the field, isn't accurate when he finds a man open and doesn't read the option worth Jack Squat, time for a change at QB. 

Reader71

September 28th, 2021 at 12:23 PM ^

For whatever it is worth, most old players won't blame play calling.

That doesn't mean play calling is never bad, or that the players are necessarily right. It's just that they tend to believe they should execute under any circumstances, and that they tend to believe that fans overweigh the importance of a few bad calls.

BlueSky

September 28th, 2021 at 12:26 PM ^

He did not like how Cade played, and said JJ needs at least some plays off the bench.  Talked about how in football since it began that the best players play, and that Clemson replaced a starter, who took them to the playoffs, with true frosh Lawrence.  Gardner is provocative at least. 

MGoStrength

September 28th, 2021 at 12:30 PM ^

One of the most interesting insights was his observation that Cade's mechanics have been deteriorating the last couple of weeks.

Sometimes in the heat of the moment when a defender is bearing down on you, a QB has a tendency to revert back to his natural instincts...like turning his back to the defense and changing directions in Devin's case or slinging the ball sidearm off your back foot in Cade's case.  Shit happens.  This is why you practice.  But, some things are God given and/or can't be untaught.  You accept that as a part of the player, try to limit the times he is in those positions, teach him to recognize the pressure and find the right target, and give them other strategies to practice when you can't avoid it.  That may or may not change what they do when pressure arrives.  Pressure reduces the performance of a lot of good QBs.  Ultimately QBs have to make plays under pressure to be championship teams unless the rest of your team is just supremely talented.  I don't think many folks see UM as a national championship contender with Cade, but we'd all be happy if he can find a way to be effective enough to get us to 9-10 wins.

gustave ferbert

September 28th, 2021 at 12:39 PM ^

"Not necessarily a playcalling issue."  The more I think about it.  I just might have to agree with this.  Of all people in the stadium, the obvious can't escape the coaching staff.  

there must be some reason why AJ Henning gets only one official touch (I know he had a drop and was underthrown)  But I was expecting more tests of the edges like jet sweeps, etc.  

MarcusBrooks

September 28th, 2021 at 4:42 PM ^

just my opinion but on the underthrow he looked covered so my thought was he threw it low so only Henning had a shot to make a play, would feel better running a screen there instead of trying to get a QB who is struggling to make that throw. 

fergusg

September 29th, 2021 at 5:22 AM ^

Neither of you listened to the Segment did you?DGs take was Henning was ‘wide open’ (in his estimation) and Cade‘s mechanics (happy feet) caused him to bomb it. 
 

at least listen to it before commenting on the post about the segment in question

maizenblue92

September 28th, 2021 at 12:42 PM ^

My biggest concern with McNamara was a subtle one. Halfway through the game he started hitching/double-pumping on a lot of throws. That is a sign of a QB unsure of what he is seeing and not having confidence in his reads. Maybe once they are off script he isn't reading well, maybe once he was hit he was rattled, or who knows? All I know is that is a bad sign from a QB. 

bronxblue

September 28th, 2021 at 1:06 PM ^

They also didn't have a ton of opportunities to throw in the second half and it seemed like there was some miscommunication between QB and WR on some of the plays, chiefly with Henning on his two targets.  Like, he double-pumped on one throw because it was pretty clear Henning's break was late and too far.

I do agree McNamara looked a bit off after halftime but the whole offense did as well.  Like, both Haskins and Corum missed obvious holes and cutbacks that they hit in past weeks.

CompleteLunacy

September 28th, 2021 at 2:04 PM ^

My one criticism of Devin Gardner's analysis is there was no discussion of issues with WR routes. In fact he seemed to believe that all of the issues with the passing game in the 2nd half were Cade's issues himself. I see some of his points but I have a hard time believing it was only Cade's fault. It seemed damn near everybody was executing poorly on offense.

The zone read though...I got nothing. I'd rather they not run that at all if Cade can't make such an obvious read in that situation.

WampaStompa

September 28th, 2021 at 12:54 PM ^

Something that always gets lost when people grumble about play calling is that coaches can only call plays during games that the players already know and have practiced well.

I'm just completely making up plays here, but for example, if a defense is playing differently than we had anticipated during the week and is stuffing our run game, the OC might be well aware that a certain type of screen to the outside is what he wants to call and he thinks it would work well to break the defense's back. However, maybe they didn't have enough time to practice that play during the week because they had to spend all their time mastering the easier plays that they believed would match up well against the opposing defense, or maybe they did practice that one particular play but the OC knows that one or two players kinda sucked at it in practice and will fail to execute thereby ruining the play. Maybe you'll have time at halftime to get the guys together and drill this play into their brains for the second half, but if it's already the second half, it's too late, you may be screaming internally because you desperately want to call a certain play but you have seen plenty of evidence that your players just don't have it nailed down yet.

The finite allotment of practice time is a big burden for a college coach. Which just makes me all the more infuriated when it becomes clear that they spent a bunch of their finite time practicing sideshow gimmick plays like the VillariCat.

4th phase

September 28th, 2021 at 12:55 PM ^

The part where he talks about the smash concept and cade locking onto the corum check down when pre snap you knew you had free yards to CJ was the most eye opening to me. 
 

He also frequently refers to Gattis as being “handcuffed” by the execution on the field 

bronxblue

September 28th, 2021 at 1:01 PM ^

I respect Gardner's analysis and think he nailed a couple of things about the playcalling and some of the blocking.  And McNamara did have some issues with his mechanics.  But I will point out that every guy can talk about how the play should have been executed when reviewing it with a birds-eye review.  It's much harder in the moment and plays that look bang-bang might not be as obvious or even intended given what you're seeing from the defense.  Like, this article the Ringer put out about starting rookie QBs in the NFL and their struggles highlights how much analysis goes into every play, and how even when you do everything right you can face decisions that don't have a clean answer.

I do think McNamara borked a couple of plays but he was also let down by the playcalling and, frankly, execution.  Guys fell down, they ran poor routes, they didn't dig a ball out that was at their knees.  They're all small issues that can manifest in a game, and my hope is this week is spent addressing them all.

Rabbit21

September 28th, 2021 at 1:10 PM ^

Devin's been calling the Air Force games on FoxSports2 the past couple of weeks and while it's been fun to have him as a blast from the past and he has good insights, I look forward to him learning to dial it back a little and let the game develop more.

As far as his insights here, I think it's an interesting data point, but agree with reader71 that its hard to get former players to blame playcalling and so this becomes a good data point, but I don't know if its definitive.