Demar Dorsey - what are important dates?

Submitted by StephenRKass on

So rather than read about Trent, I'd like to find out what's up with Dorsey. I did a site search, and a general Google search, but don't see anything definitive.

Is Dorsey forced to go JUCO, or is he coming to MIchigan?

What goes into this decision? Grades? Scores? Other? Is he admitted to Michigan provisionally, or no?

When will we know? Are there dates by which he has to be admitted? Is this another situation like Turner last year, where it takes so long to get approval that the year is essentially lost?

In reading Misopogon's awesome defensive analysis, I get the sense that for the defense to be good in 2010, we will have to be fortunate to have one or more true freshmen step in and make an immediate legitimate contribution. While the secondary now has much more depth than last year, it has very little experience. For Dorsey to come in on time this summer and go through a full pre-season of practice could be one of the crucial difference makers in having a successful season.

STW P. Brabbs

May 11th, 2010 at 3:56 PM ^

Thanks for the correction. 

Do you know if Russell Shaw was a kid that originally committed to M and had to get his grades up?  Not that one case from 1997 would shed much light on the Dorsey situation. 

Panter, as far as I know, was only recruited by M after his stint in JUCO (my impression was that he was a JUCO kid less because of academics than because of football.)

me

May 11th, 2010 at 4:03 PM ^

but my understanding of Panter was that he was fully qualified out of high school but played 8 man football in high school, or some variation like that.

Deep from the archives of MGoBlog

http://mgoblog.blogspot.com/2006/12/austin-panter-linebacker-guy.html

Michigan commitment #17 is an unusual one: JUCO linebacker Austin Panter. Michigan hasn't taken a JUCO since the days of Russell Shaw in 1997. The reason usually cited is that it's hard to get dodgy JUCO grades to transfer, but Panter maintains a 3.8 GPA at Butler County CC and originally decided on junior college not because of academic concerns but in an effort to get more exposure. His Iowa high school was tiny, playing eight-on-eight, and he had little opportunity to earn a scholarship at a major school thre.

me

May 11th, 2010 at 2:21 PM ^

A year at JUCO would burn one of his years of eligibility.  You have 5 years to play 4 from the time you enter college.  JUCO counts as college.  You can go to prep school and still maintain your 5 years to play 4 but by going to JUCO he would lose a year ot wo depending on how long he stayed at JUCO, assuming he could even get in at that point.

Blazefire

May 11th, 2010 at 3:42 PM ^

But I just don't know.

If you knew you only had at most four years to make a multi million dollar career for yourself, would you want to waste any of those four at a place where your hardest effort won't even get noticed. I'm not saying this is what he'll do, but if I were an elite player with an offer to play at the highest level as soon as I qualified, I'd go to the JUCO, use their training equipment to stay in good shape and football ready, and then be "sick" on game days.

Maize and Blue…

May 11th, 2010 at 2:07 PM ^

If Dorsey doesn't qualify wouldn't he be better served at a prep school instead of going the JC route?  With Colton Christian just signing for bball it seems as if the prep school route may be a better way to go.

Hopefully Demar gets all his ducks in a row and is donning the Maize and Blue on September 4.  I would love to see him as a freshman AA with a 3.0+ GPA just to stick it to the F!%*p.

Beavis

May 11th, 2010 at 2:38 PM ^

I haven't been able to pull legit sliding scale info, but let's assume that Dorsey 2.7 GPA is legit. 

Further Assumptions:

- Based on his academic stats through his Junior year

- Each semester he takes 15 credits made up of 5 classes with 3 credits each.

- Each semester he has 3 classes that are "legit" according to the NCAA (Math, Science, English, etc.)

- Each semester he has 2 classes that are "nonlegit" such as PE, music, food, etc.

- Assume that only letter grades exist on a 4.0 scale - no +/- stuff

Worst Case Scenario (Straight A's in "nonlegit")

- GPA of 1.89 in "legit" classes

Middle Case Scenario (Half A's / Half B's in "nonlegit")

- GPA of 2.22 in "legit" classes

Best Case Scenario (Straight B's in "nonlegit")

- GPA of 2.56 in "legit" classes

So what does that tell us?  Most likely he was making nearly straight A's in the classes the NCAA does not count as "core".  Thus his "core" GPA to the NCAA's is somewhere between 1.9 and 2.2. 

Any good news?

Well, assuming these numbers are in the ballpark, he would need to average 2 C's and 1 B in his "core" classes senior year to get to a 2.0 GPA.  Assuming a 2.0 GPA works with a 18 ACT on the sliding scale (if anyone knows about this, please provide detail), we're fine.

What's the downside?

The sliding scale GPA for an 18 ACT could be something like 2.50 GPA.  In my worst case scenario, he would have to take 5 legit courses senior year and end up with no worse than 3 A's / 2 B's.  In my middle of the road scenario, he'd have to take 5 legit courses and get straight B's. 

In Summary:

- If that 18 ACT can get Dorsey in with a 2.0 GPA or better, I think we're fine.

- If he needs a 2.50 GPA based on the sliding scale, it would take a legit miracle to see him in maize and blue this season.

And yes, I do know I did not have a very productive day at work thus far, but whatever - this stuff is important.

whyyoumadtho

May 11th, 2010 at 2:55 PM ^

I talked to my brother and his friend who are acedemic assistants with a Big 12 school. In the NCAA scale they take each of the 4 sections of the ACT and add them up. If he got an 18 in all four sections then he would have to have a core GPA or 2.375. But that is only if he got all 18's. It could be lower or higher based on each sections scores. I would also hope he was retaking the ACT to try to improve the score so that his GPA didnt need to be as high anyway.

Beavis

May 11th, 2010 at 3:28 PM ^

Thanks for the info. 

Quick Response (assume 18 on all portions of the ACT):

Worst Case: 3 B's 2 A's senior year, (5 "core" classes)

Middle Case: 3 B's senior year (3 "core" classes)

Worst case is pretty much impossible (he would have to get 2 A's and 3 B's having never gotten above a C in a "core" class before).  Middle case is plausible, but it would still be his best academic year ever (straight B's compared to previous estimated best of 1 B, 2 C's). 

BlueinOK

May 11th, 2010 at 4:37 PM ^

The important date is the first day of fall practice.  I hope he makes it to Ann Arbor this season.  The secondary needs all the bodies it can get!

mgovictors23

May 11th, 2010 at 6:54 PM ^

As of right now, what are his chances? I've heard from some their's no way he's making it and from others that he will probably be able to come.  Does anybody have any information on this?

BiaBiakabutuka21

May 13th, 2010 at 1:04 PM ^

this was pretty obvious actually.  If you put a /sarcasm at the end of your post it usually makes it less funny.

Correct me if I am wrong but, "there's" is incorrect too, no?  Especially because there is no contraction for "there is".  

 

Everyone always confuses there and their.  Rarely do people confuse "they're" with "there".  I through it in as a non-sensical attempt at grammar humor.  I guess that is rarely a good idea.

BiaBiakabutuka21

May 13th, 2010 at 2:49 PM ^

You never really know around here.  

I am pretty sure that "there's" is incorrect.  At least, I wouldn't use it in a paper.  I don't think "there's" is a legitimate contraction for "there is" and if you want to show possession you would just use "theirs".

akearney50

May 12th, 2010 at 1:10 PM ^

Totally ignoring the issue of UofM accepting JUCO classes, if a student-athlete does not qualify per NCAA standards and then participates at a junior college then he/she must 'graduate,' while maintaing a 2.0 GPA, from that junior college to become eligible at a NCAA Division I institution.

- 'Graduate' refers to earning an Associate's degree or equivalent.

- This eliminates going one year to a JUCO, raising his/her grades and transferring.

- This scenario is possible: Year 1 at JUCO, redshirt.  Year 2 at JUCO, play.  In these two years graduate and be able to transfer with three years left to play.
 

- D2 Non-Qualifer Rules: Earn Associates or average 12 passed credits per 4 semesters and have a 2.0 GPA.


I am pretty sure these are the rules.  I coach college basketball and hope really hope I'm not wrong.

Blue Balls

May 12th, 2010 at 2:42 PM ^

a  high school student can actually repeat their senior year at one of the military prep programs.  This helps them learn study habits while increasing their chances of getting into a better college or even one of the  military academies when past grades are an issue.  

As a side note, Valley Forge's Military College along with the US Army will pay for a student to attend two years at VF and then allow  the student to transfer to the college of their choice for the last two years-paid.  Upon graduation, the student will become a second lieutenant(?) in the United States Army.   I believe the pay back time is six years.  This provides  a student without the means a chance for getting an education.