Demar Dorsey - what are important dates?
So rather than read about Trent, I'd like to find out what's up with Dorsey. I did a site search, and a general Google search, but don't see anything definitive.
Is Dorsey forced to go JUCO, or is he coming to MIchigan?
What goes into this decision? Grades? Scores? Other? Is he admitted to Michigan provisionally, or no?
When will we know? Are there dates by which he has to be admitted? Is this another situation like Turner last year, where it takes so long to get approval that the year is essentially lost?
In reading Misopogon's awesome defensive analysis, I get the sense that for the defense to be good in 2010, we will have to be fortunate to have one or more true freshmen step in and make an immediate legitimate contribution. While the secondary now has much more depth than last year, it has very little experience. For Dorsey to come in on time this summer and go through a full pre-season of practice could be one of the crucial difference makers in having a successful season.
Thanks for the correction.
Do you know if Russell Shaw was a kid that originally committed to M and had to get his grades up? Not that one case from 1997 would shed much light on the Dorsey situation.
Panter, as far as I know, was only recruited by M after his stint in JUCO (my impression was that he was a JUCO kid less because of academics than because of football.)
but my understanding of Panter was that he was fully qualified out of high school but played 8 man football in high school, or some variation like that.
Deep from the archives of MGoBlog
http://mgoblog.blogspot.com/2006/12/austin-panter-linebacker-guy.html
Michigan commitment #17 is an unusual one: JUCO linebacker Austin Panter. Michigan hasn't taken a JUCO since the days of Russell Shaw in 1997. The reason usually cited is that it's hard to get dodgy JUCO grades to transfer, but Panter maintains a 3.8 GPA at Butler County CC and originally decided on junior college not because of academic concerns but in an effort to get more exposure. His Iowa high school was tiny, playing eight-on-eight, and he had little opportunity to earn a scholarship at a major school thre.
He may have to come to Michigan as a Freshman still, but so what? He'd still get his full eligibility.
A year at JUCO would burn one of his years of eligibility. You have 5 years to play 4 from the time you enter college. JUCO counts as college. You can go to prep school and still maintain your 5 years to play 4 but by going to JUCO he would lose a year ot wo depending on how long he stayed at JUCO, assuming he could even get in at that point.
if he played.
he'll play. That school is the best JUCO football program in the country and that is why he registered there.
But I just don't know.
If you knew you only had at most four years to make a multi million dollar career for yourself, would you want to waste any of those four at a place where your hardest effort won't even get noticed. I'm not saying this is what he'll do, but if I were an elite player with an offer to play at the highest level as soon as I qualified, I'd go to the JUCO, use their training equipment to stay in good shape and football ready, and then be "sick" on game days.
I don't think Demar cares about credit transfer. This is training ground for the NFL for him, not an actual college education (as much as it pains me to say that, and i hope i'm wrong)
If those transferred credits count toward what the NCAA considers "academic progress toward a degree."
If Dorsey doesn't qualify wouldn't he be better served at a prep school instead of going the JC route? With Colton Christian just signing for bball it seems as if the prep school route may be a better way to go.
Hopefully Demar gets all his ducks in a row and is donning the Maize and Blue on September 4. I would love to see him as a freshman AA with a 3.0+ GPA just to stick it to the F!%*p.
Do prep schools offer full scholarships?
I haven't been able to pull legit sliding scale info, but let's assume that Dorsey 2.7 GPA is legit.
Further Assumptions:
- Based on his academic stats through his Junior year
- Each semester he takes 15 credits made up of 5 classes with 3 credits each.
- Each semester he has 3 classes that are "legit" according to the NCAA (Math, Science, English, etc.)
- Each semester he has 2 classes that are "nonlegit" such as PE, music, food, etc.
- Assume that only letter grades exist on a 4.0 scale - no +/- stuff
Worst Case Scenario (Straight A's in "nonlegit")
- GPA of 1.89 in "legit" classes
Middle Case Scenario (Half A's / Half B's in "nonlegit")
- GPA of 2.22 in "legit" classes
Best Case Scenario (Straight B's in "nonlegit")
- GPA of 2.56 in "legit" classes
So what does that tell us? Most likely he was making nearly straight A's in the classes the NCAA does not count as "core". Thus his "core" GPA to the NCAA's is somewhere between 1.9 and 2.2.
Any good news?
Well, assuming these numbers are in the ballpark, he would need to average 2 C's and 1 B in his "core" classes senior year to get to a 2.0 GPA. Assuming a 2.0 GPA works with a 18 ACT on the sliding scale (if anyone knows about this, please provide detail), we're fine.
What's the downside?
The sliding scale GPA for an 18 ACT could be something like 2.50 GPA. In my worst case scenario, he would have to take 5 legit courses senior year and end up with no worse than 3 A's / 2 B's. In my middle of the road scenario, he'd have to take 5 legit courses and get straight B's.
In Summary:
- If that 18 ACT can get Dorsey in with a 2.0 GPA or better, I think we're fine.
- If he needs a 2.50 GPA based on the sliding scale, it would take a legit miracle to see him in maize and blue this season.
And yes, I do know I did not have a very productive day at work thus far, but whatever - this stuff is important.
I talked to my brother and his friend who are acedemic assistants with a Big 12 school. In the NCAA scale they take each of the 4 sections of the ACT and add them up. If he got an 18 in all four sections then he would have to have a core GPA or 2.375. But that is only if he got all 18's. It could be lower or higher based on each sections scores. I would also hope he was retaking the ACT to try to improve the score so that his GPA didnt need to be as high anyway.
Thanks for the info.
Quick Response (assume 18 on all portions of the ACT):
Worst Case: 3 B's 2 A's senior year, (5 "core" classes)
Middle Case: 3 B's senior year (3 "core" classes)
Worst case is pretty much impossible (he would have to get 2 A's and 3 B's having never gotten above a C in a "core" class before). Middle case is plausible, but it would still be his best academic year ever (straight B's compared to previous estimated best of 1 B, 2 C's).
Also could take one summer class if he needed to. Either way none of this is impossible, If he wants this bad enough. Just have to hope he wants to get good enough grades to make it to Ann Arbor.
By reading this thread I have officially put more energy into DD’s GPA than my own.
Can the U of M athletic dept assist him in increasing his GPA or in qualifying (ie tutors) or would this be a violation?
The important date is the first day of fall practice. I hope he makes it to Ann Arbor this season. The secondary needs all the bodies it can get!
Please.
As of right now, what are his chances? I've heard from some their's no way he's making it and from others that he will probably be able to come. Does anybody have any information on this?
did you read the thread up to this point? No offense but that is exactly what is being discussed in the previous 60 or so posts. It looks like no one has any definitive information.
it is "they're's" not "their's"
It's there's, not "they're's".
this was pretty obvious actually. If you put a /sarcasm at the end of your post it usually makes it less funny.
Correct me if I am wrong but, "there's" is incorrect too, no? Especially because there is no contraction for "there is".
Everyone always confuses there and their. Rarely do people confuse "they're" with "there". I through it in as a non-sensical attempt at grammar humor. I guess that is rarely a good idea.
Sorry, I never know around here anymore. I would like someone who knows definitively to clarify whether "there's" is correct or not, I really don't know for sure.
You never really know around here.
I am pretty sure that "there's" is incorrect. At least, I wouldn't use it in a paper. I don't think "there's" is a legitimate contraction for "there is" and if you want to show possession you would just use "theirs".
...to be a legitimate word. See also this.
"...I wouldn't use it in a paper."
Neither would I. It's best to refrain from contraction use when writing formally.
I'd like to bring up how you "through" it in there. Maybe that was intentional, but I don't think so.
unintentional. Although it does kind of fit given the current discussion. Good catch.
I through it and you caught it.
Now that I didn't comment on because I figured it had to be intentional. The internet is great.
I am not an english major like many on this board, but I don't think you can have two apostraphies in one word like "they're's".......I'm pretty sure that is against the rules, no?
I'm not sure. In this instance, you would be correct since there's no such thing as "they are is".
...contemplated in the rules. The use of "the apostrophe" (singular) in Rule 1 certainly implies that there can only be one.
but wasn't 100% sure.
Excellent.
And yes, my understanding is that you can't make any sort of contraction possessive by the addition of an 's, unless the contraction is a proper name.
reason not to name your son "Can't"
What about "y'all's?" As in, "Is that y'all's truck bein' towed away?"
Definitely 2 apostrophes.
groups of people (or singular people that are large enough to be a group if they wanted, which is everyone in the south) may be referred to by the proper name, "Y'all".
Totally ignoring the issue of UofM accepting JUCO classes, if a student-athlete does not qualify per NCAA standards and then participates at a junior college then he/she must 'graduate,' while maintaing a 2.0 GPA, from that junior college to become eligible at a NCAA Division I institution.
- 'Graduate' refers to earning an Associate's degree or equivalent.
- This eliminates going one year to a JUCO, raising his/her grades and transferring.
- This scenario is possible: Year 1 at JUCO, redshirt. Year 2 at JUCO, play. In these two years graduate and be able to transfer with three years left to play.
- D2 Non-Qualifer Rules: Earn Associates or average 12 passed credits per 4 semesters and have a 2.0 GPA.
I am pretty sure these are the rules. I coach college basketball and hope really hope I'm not wrong.
a high school student can actually repeat their senior year at one of the military prep programs. This helps them learn study habits while increasing their chances of getting into a better college or even one of the military academies when past grades are an issue.
As a side note, Valley Forge's Military College along with the US Army will pay for a student to attend two years at VF and then allow the student to transfer to the college of their choice for the last two years-paid. Upon graduation, the student will become a second lieutenant(?) in the United States Army. I believe the pay back time is six years. This provides a student without the means a chance for getting an education.
Besides Dorsey...I thought I heard somewhere that there are a couple of other guys having grade/test issues as well?