College Football Playoff Predictor - ESPN
I was perusing ESPN and stumbled upon this gem. I won't ruin it for anyone, but it basically lets you pick a team and see what their probability of making the CFP is based on the outcome of their season + Conference Championship (or lack of).
It uses a weekly win probability to map it all out. Pretty slick, thought I would share.
https://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/_/page/cfbplayoffpredictor/cfb-playoff-predictor
October 27th, 2021 at 3:36 AM ^
How is OSU 44% & Oregon 3%?
October 27th, 2021 at 4:55 AM ^
If you actually did it, you would know. OSU has a higher % of winning its remaining games than Oregon. If they both win out, OSU will play higher ranked opponents. The old adage that losing early is better than losing late.
October 27th, 2021 at 9:40 AM ^
I think you hit the nail on the head with "losing early is better than losing late." The committee will always favor teams that are playing the best at the end of the year provided their won-loss record is in line.
And if you've watched Oregon the last few weeks, they seem to be going in the wrong direction. It's just a matter of time before they pick up another loss or two. They've had some close calls lately
October 27th, 2021 at 10:24 AM ^
Did what? The math? Because you didn’t specify.
Know what? That you can make the numbers say pretty much whatever you want them to? I already knew that.
This matrix says UM has a 17% chance of making the playoffs, even if we lose to MSU & OSU. I guarantee that number is much closer to 0. If you did it, you would know.
October 27th, 2021 at 9:40 AM ^
Oregon should be the highest rated of the 1 loss teams. They were screwed out of a win by officials. They dominated Ohio St, it wasn't close so Osu should be behind them, I don't care how bad they beat Rutgers and Indiana, they got it handed to them by Oregon!
The Duck Star descended upon Columbus and obliterated that disaster of a team they put on the field that day!
October 27th, 2021 at 9:49 AM ^
Seriously ? Dominated - obliterated OSU ? It was 35-28 and OSU was driving for the tying TD late when Stroud threw a bonehead Interception. OSU put up over 600+ of offense on the Oregon D. C'mon man - obliterated ?
October 27th, 2021 at 10:04 AM ^
Stop interfering with my osu sucks narrative! Osu was down big and couldn't make the big plays it had to when it mattered. Down 2 scores in the fourth qtr, never led, spent half the game down by 2 scores and every time they got close Oregon answered. If that were Michigan on the losing end you'd say we were dominated. Nobody thought that game was in doubt!
October 27th, 2021 at 10:12 AM ^
I upvoted both of you guys because I really enjoyed that back and forth.
October 27th, 2021 at 5:50 PM ^
Oregon was missing 3 ALL AMERICANs on defense DE LB SAFETY and was without its starting TE and was missing 3 of its top 6 WR and still DOMINATED OSU,til about 644 left --OSU had 309 yards and scored 2 late TDs ,on its last 4 drives..after the game was over
2015 the argument was "OSU is in the playoffs,because they would beat Baylor or TCU if they played em " If both teams are 12-1 Oregon should get in over OSU based on that ,because they proved they are the better team,ts not Oregon fault teams on their schedule are not as good as we thought USC Washington etc .. they beat them in Columbus missing 25% of its starters
October 27th, 2021 at 4:10 AM ^
Pretty cool! If M wins out until losing to Ohio, and fails to make the Big 10 Championship game, we're still given a 77% chance to make the playoffs. I'll take it!
October 27th, 2021 at 9:57 AM ^
I'd prefer the Rose Bowl to getting run off the field in the National Semifinal.
October 27th, 2021 at 10:13 AM ^
Don't be a p#$$y. It's better to go and lose than to never go.
October 27th, 2021 at 3:32 PM ^
Sparty fans point to their 38-0 loss to Alabama in the CFP and nod in agreement. Did I mention MSU lost 38-0 in the CFP?
October 27th, 2021 at 1:51 PM ^
Not me. We need the playoff appearance if we're going even think about getting back to recruiting prominence. I don't give two shits if Alabama kills us by 30 at least we had the opportunity.
October 27th, 2021 at 4:44 AM ^
It's fun to play with, but it gives a 2-loss Michigan that doesn't make the B1G Championship Game a 17% cance to make the playoffs. That seems...optimistic.
October 27th, 2021 at 7:16 AM ^
it gives a 2-loss Michigan that doesn't make the B1G Championship Game a 17% cance to make the playoffs. That seems...optimistic.
I'd use the word absurd.
I also think it's nuts to think Michigan can lose to OSU and not make the conference championship game and still have a 77% chance to make the playoffs.
Alabama and Georgia are virtual locks for two spots, and if Michigan loses to OSU, the Buckeyes basically have the third spot locked down as well—they're not losing to Iowa or Wisconsin in the conference championship game. We'd have to have a very close loss to OSU combined with OK and Cincinnati imploding down the stretch.
What this exercise does emphasize is that the playoff should be expanded to 8 teams. Whether it should go to 16 is a different argument; I think 8 is sufficient, but it's clear 4 is too small.
October 27th, 2021 at 7:44 AM ^
It's not as absurd as you think it is.
Let's say Michigan finishes 11-1 with a loss to Ohio State and OSU beats whatever crap comes out of the West.
Georgia beats Bama in the SEC Championship.
Georgia and OSU are locks. Even if Oklahoma wins out, Michigan would just need Cincinnati, Oregon, and I guess Wake Forest to lose once. Unless you think the committee is taking 12-1 Pitt over 11-1 Michigan?
October 27th, 2021 at 8:13 AM ^
* 12-1 Pitt who LOST to Western Michigan
October 27th, 2021 at 8:40 AM ^
A 2-loss Alabama that gets beaten in the SEC championship game by the #1 team in the country will get chosen over a 1-loss Michigan team that can't even make it to the BIG championship game. That will happen because of Alabama's reputation and Saban-era resume.
The only way this wouldn't happen is if Michigan loses by a very narrow margin to OSU and looks great while doing so, while Alabama gets pounded badly by Georgia. I think both are unlikely.
October 27th, 2021 at 9:18 AM ^
Two losses have never got a team into the playoff, and it won't start this year. I don't care who you are...
Unless there are only three 0-loss or 1-loss teams, no 2-loss team will sniff a playoff game.
October 27th, 2021 at 2:24 PM ^
Bama got it handed to them by aTm who was unranked and had 2 losses and fell to #5.. Bama could lose two more games and Gameday would be calling for Bama to get in as the #4 team.. Saying sec schedule...
October 27th, 2021 at 9:29 AM ^
If Georgia beats Alabama, then Alabama is out. They're not taking a two loss team until either the playoff expands or you find yourself with a two-loss SEC champion.
But the only way Michigan makes it into the CFP with losing to OSU and not making the BTCG is if there is massive chaos elsewhere, as you somewhat alluded to.
1) Cincy would need to lose or keep winning really ugly against bad teams.
2) Oklahoma would probably need to lose once in the regular season and then again in the Big XII title game. Or they would have to just play like crap the rest of the season and drop an ugly game somewhere that the committee just can't forget about. But if they go undefeated, no matter how ugly it is, they're in.
3) Oregon would need to lose again. They stand a very good chance of making the CFP if they run the table from here.
4) An ACC champion with at least one loss. If Wake Forest runs the table, like Oklahoma, it doesn't matter if its ugly or not. They're in.
5) Georgia would have to beat Alabama. If Alabama wins the SEC and Georgia is undefeated otherwise, they're both in.
6) On top of all of this, OSU would need to keep dominating down the stretch, Michigan would have to kick its play up a notch, and they'd need to lose to OSU by 1-3 points in a back and forth game where both teams look on fire and either one had a legit chance of winning in the final minutes of the fourth quarter. Michigan would have to play so well in that game that they'd essentially be daring the CFP to leave them out.
October 27th, 2021 at 9:50 AM ^
If Wake Forest runs the table, like Oklahoma,
It's interesting that WF didn't appear in the playoff predictor, even though they're undefeated and ranked four spots higher than Pitt.
If both Cincy and WF end the reg season undefeated, it's going to put the playoff selectors in a tough spot. Do they keep Cincy but boot P5 member WF? If they put both in, there are going to be some top P5 programs with one loss screaming.
Regardless, if both Cincy and WF go undefeated, it's going to provide a big reason to expand the playoff from four to at least 8 teams.
October 27th, 2021 at 10:37 AM ^
Alabama & Georgia are NOT locks for two spots. Another loss for Bama and they're out.
It does not justify expanding the playoffs, either. Half of the regular season remains to be played, plus conference championship games. Consider the second half of the season to be your expanded playoff, as most schedules are set up this way to begin with having mostly interdivisional games remaining. Most teams will be eliminated after all of that to the point where the 2 or 3 (and rarely a 4th) best teams can be clearly delineated from the others. A 4-team playoff is more than sufficient after all of those games are played to ensure the best two teams have the opportunity to face each other in the championship final.
Every year since the CFP was created, there has never been an undefeated team that was a major conference champion (or Notre Dame) that has not made it to the CFP. In only 2 years has a 1-loss conference champion not made it to the CFP (2014, after which Big 12 instituted it's own conference championship game because they had 2 teams tied which diluted their prospects; and 2018, when OSU got left out so an undefeated meatball Notre Dame team could be invited).
Opening it up to more teams just invites 2-or-more loss conference champions (a.k.a. riff-raff), 1-loss teams who either lost their conference championship or didn't qualify for their conference championship (e.g. 2015 Iowa & OSU, 2017 Wisconsin, 2020 TAMU, Indiana & USC) and should be eliminated on that basis, or teams that are in non-Power 5 conferences.
October 27th, 2021 at 2:03 PM ^
I agree Don, but I could see it happening @11-1. As you inferred the most likely scenario is an Oklahoma loss (They have a tough remaining schedule) and Cincinnati losing one. Combined with not being embarrassed by OSU. I'm hoping after we beat MSU we will be @ 2 or 3 in the CFP playoff rankings which will show if the committee actually respects our measurables.
Not 77% but a maybe in the 30-40% range.
October 27th, 2021 at 5:37 AM ^
69% for Bama is pretty nuts and all but concedes that there would be a big campaign to push them in with 2 losses. If we assume they run the table into the conference championship and are put at approximately a 50% chance to beat UGA in the SEC championship game, the predictor is essentially giving them another 20% points to make the playoff.
I do believe they are 1 of the 4 best teams in the country, but they are essentially in the same spot as OSU and would be playing a much tougher opponent in the conference championship.
October 27th, 2021 at 8:22 AM ^
There's no reason to believe Alabama would get in with 2 losses, as they last time they had 2 losses they didn't get in, in 2019.
The one team that should have already been put at a low percentage of getting in is Cincinnati, as they have a very weak schedule, and they struggled with Indiana and Navy. Bot Indiana and Navy outgained the, And the Murray St game was much closer than the score indicates too at 42-7, as Cin scored 21 in the 4th qtr, in clean up time. Total yards for the game were 242 for Murray St, and 391 for Cin. But Cin got 123 in 4th. They just are not a powerful team deserving to be in the playoffs.
Cincinnati has made it into the top 4 by being undefeated in a weak schedule. Hopefully the CFP committee will see that and not have them in the Top 4 on Tuesday night.
October 27th, 2021 at 5:57 AM ^
I’m not so sure any two loss team deserves to be in a 4 team CFP..
Maybe if you win your conference and other teams at the top fall apart but getting more than one do over seems too generous.
October 27th, 2021 at 7:20 AM ^
I’d love to go to the playoffs because that likely means we did well in the stretch run.
I’d also be beyond ecstatic with a Rose Bowl against a crappy PAC 12 team. It’s been a while since we ended the season with a win.
Anything else probably exceeds preseason expectations but is pretty meh at this point.
October 27th, 2021 at 4:34 PM ^
If Michigan beats MSU this weekend and then Wisconsin beats Iowa, then Michigan (as long as it takes care of business against everyone not named OSU) stands a very, very good chance of going to Pasadena.
I imagine the Rose Bowl Committee would be gushing at the opportunity to get Michigan back out there after an almost 15 year absence. But I imagine if Iowa wins out and then loses in the BTCG, they get the Rose Bowl nod, and Michigan would have to settle for an at-large somewhere.
Again, assuming Michigan wins this weekend. If MSU wins this weekend, they probably jump ahead of Michigan in the bowl pecking order.
October 27th, 2021 at 7:45 AM ^
What a fun year this has been. The season began with few believing it was possible for Michigan to rise from the dust heap of failure. But these guys believe in each other and play for each other. One week at a time they are showing the world that the coaches and players have put together a savvy run game and high percentage pass routes with a QB who doesn't get respect. Go Blue! They are going to continue to march through the Big Ten adding wins and disappointing the haters. Its a season that has put respect back in the program.
October 27th, 2021 at 8:03 AM ^
Yeah, Cincinnati is probably going to get in because they will be undefeated. But it certainly doesn't mean they will belong in. Because they won't.
October 27th, 2021 at 12:11 PM ^
It's not just because they're undefeated. SDSU's not getting in if they run the table. UTSA and SMU aren't getting in. It's last year's success and the resulting offseason hype, and then apparent confirmation from a nationally-televised beatdown of ND.
I'm guessing they'll be 6 or 7 in the first release; then they'll slide up as the year moves along and teams above them lose. An undefeated UC only gets left home if there's also an undefeated B12 team.
October 27th, 2021 at 8:08 AM ^
Wow, 45 % ? Seems high at this point of the season, with most of the meat of the schedule still ahead. Still,
October 27th, 2021 at 9:20 AM ^
I'm sure it's a cool tool, but let's just beat MSU first.
October 27th, 2021 at 9:25 AM ^
IMO. This all fine and dandy but the bottom line is you have to win the game in front of you. If you lose this weekend your percentages drop, so just win the game you have in front of you. That’s all you can do. The old cheesy coach line we need to go 1-0 really applies to them right now. If we get past this game then we can’t slip against an Indiana or Maryland etc. Go Blue
October 27th, 2021 at 9:36 AM ^
Let's knock MSUs chances from 9% to something less than 9%. This whole discussion is cheapened by having them in the conversation.
October 27th, 2021 at 10:09 AM ^
I can say right now that Cincy will absolutely not beat out any P5 1-loss team (even ND) if they go undefeated. Like, their big win is ND and ND were dealing with an injured Jack Coan and beyond that is their best win...IU? That game against SMU looms as the last real "test" for them and that assumes SMU stays undefeated.
October 27th, 2021 at 12:15 PM ^
I think you're confusing merit and politics here. The committee is not putting an undefeated UC behind ND no matter what they think of the relative merits of the squads.
October 27th, 2021 at 3:39 PM ^
Well, I'm happy to be in the conversation coming into the last weekend in October.