Brady vs. Belichick. Who deserves more credit article.

Submitted by Double-D on
Interesting read with statistical analysis on the relationship and success between Brady and Belichick. I thought some of our stats guys would enjoy. Personally I see their success as symbiotic with more of a "the whole is greater than the sum of its parts" relationship. https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/brady-vs-belichick-whos-to-blame-f…

An Angelo's Addict

February 12th, 2017 at 10:34 AM ^

It takes a great coach to prepare etc. but it always comes down to the players on the field to win the game. Same reason I always thought Phil Jackson was a great coach but Michael Jordan was the reason the bulls were championship teams. Brady = GOAT

M-Dog

February 12th, 2017 at 11:14 AM ^

Ten Bill Belichicks on the sideline ain't brining the Patriots back from 25 points down late in the 3rd quarter in the Super Bowl to win it in overtime.

Nobody can hit a moving 3-inch window of separation in 1.5 seconds like Tom Brady.  That's what it took to win that game with New England's fairly marginal receivers.

When Tom Brady retires . . . Bill Belichick should retire too if he's smart.

He'll never see another Super Bowl or even another AFC Championship game once Brady is gone.

 

 

H@iL2theV

February 12th, 2017 at 11:46 AM ^

...let's not get carried away here. I get that our bias opinions are going to show up on a board like this, but Brady was missing a lot during the game, hence the pick six and a couple more near the end of regulation that should have been picked off. One of those was amazingly hauled in by one of his "fairly marginal" receivers. Edelman saved the day, but you are correct, that it was Brady that won that game......not Bill Belichick.

M-Dog

February 12th, 2017 at 1:01 PM ^

I don't disagree with that, but over the course of a season and especially at Playoff time, Brady is the difference maker.

It's a QB-driven league, and Brady is the best.

Yes I am biased, but still.  An airline pilot will always tell you it's faster to go from NY to LA by plane than it is by bus.  Of course he's biased.  But he's also right.

Putting my bias aside, I truly don't think that Belichick and the Patriots even make it to the Super Bowl, much less win it, without Tom Brady.

 

AmayzNblue

February 12th, 2017 at 3:55 PM ^

They lost 16-0 to Rex Ryan's bills in that loss. You think that would have happened with Brady playing QB?

They will win when he retires if belichek is still coaching, but not likely to win any more super bowls. Bill makes the Pats solid winners, Tom completes the team to the status of Dynasty.

nerv

February 12th, 2017 at 11:51 AM ^

Win what? 9-10 games? You are probably right. But they aren't a super bowl team.

I also think part of the reason they play well when Brady is hurt/suspended is that they know they're just holding down the ship till Tom is back. I feel like that really alleviates the pressure on a lot of guys and allows them to play a bit looser.

MGoLaw16

February 12th, 2017 at 12:29 PM ^

Not to mention the fact that when Brady is injured, he's still there on the team. It seems clear that he's the heart and soul of the team, and a leader like that can positively affect the players around him even if he's only in the locker room and on the sidelines instead of on the field for a few games.

MGoBlue24

February 12th, 2017 at 12:48 PM ^

They complement one another as a coach/field general combination.  It is reasonable to assume that neither would be as successful at winning it all without the other.

Wolfman

February 12th, 2017 at 1:48 PM ^

People by now, actually about 10 years ago, it works because  they are the perfect match in doing whatever they can do to win. Their mind set in that regard has never been matched for such an extended period. Yes, they have went on nice streaks without Tom, but how many of those streaks include a playoff win? 

Their offense has changed so many parts overy the years, people want to give Tom credit - which he should get to a degree - but its the HC who authors both the offense and defense that will guarantee the greatest chance to win. They are the greatest coach/qb tandem of all time and that is the reason it has worked, still works and will work until Tom's shoulder says no mas. People have always spoken about his lack of speed without realizing his footwork has made that a totally moot point. 

BlueMk1690

February 12th, 2017 at 2:03 PM ^

both Brady and Belichick probably are laughing at the question. It's like, you find a collaborator who's really great at what they do and you're really great at what you do, you have enormous success together and it's generally acknowledged you compliment each other.

There's no problem, there's no questions there unless you're insecure. Lincoln didn't win the Civil War on his own. Does he win it without Grant and Sherman? Maybe not. Does Grant win it and go on to become President if he isn't given the shot by Lincoln? Nope. Nobody is on an island, nobody works entirely outside their circumstances. It's life and if you end up on the positive side of it, you take it and run with it.

Tuebor

February 12th, 2017 at 9:19 PM ^

Brady makes the plays offensively.

 

Belichick assembles the defenses that always seem to be at the top of the NFL and keep them in games just long enough for Brady magic to win.

 

Their legacies will always be entertwined.  One is the coach and one is the quarterback.

vnperk

February 12th, 2017 at 10:12 PM ^

Not sure how one can argue Brady makes Belichick... He coached the team to 11-5 with Matt Cassel and went 3-1 (easily) with 2 first-time starters.

Brady is the obvious GOAT, but who knows what he is without Belichick; we know what Belichick is without Brady.

Wolfman

February 13th, 2017 at 5:06 AM ^

but the ending "That is all" probably should have been the only line in your post.

If you don't believe Sir Paul was aware of how to financially magnify the profit in the music industry, you haven't been paying attention well since 1971. That was when I ordered my first Wings tape while in Vietnam, and the man hasn't quit printing millions since. Now John, as I agree, may have been the most important piece in the makeup of the Beatles, he certainly didn't touch the success that Paul did. It could have been by choice, and that we just will never know. However, it isn't even colse and no matter your definition of success, Paul is.