The Barwis Effect is back (?)!
I thought I've seen this news somewhere already......
Maybe even on this very site...
It was buried between my favorite two OT posts - Canned or home made gravy, and the post about Keith Jackson’s reported death.
That why the OP missed it.
I thought someone was asking for advice on having Keith Jackson kidnapped...this person was going to outsource it due to potentially recovering from a vasectomy and pay for it with all the money saved by cutting the cord.
Or buying a larger home.
August 6th, 2019 at 11:20 PM ^
cause their current one was almost paid off.. cough cough humblebrag..cough.
Thanks to the OP for this timely news. I had no idea the Red Wings still played hockey.
Thats crazy talk.
Keith Jackson’s gonna be ripped!!
R.I.P.ped
Barwis may in fact be the single most overhyped 'thing' ever at the University of Michigan. Maybe Henson, but at least he backed most of it up.
I like Barwis, but while he's a good S&C coach I don't see him as being the end all be all the hype made him out to be.
This isn't his fault, the hype was over the top, and unreasonable. 'EEEE BARWIS' was a bit silly.
I'll always have fond thoughts for the guy for his work with Brock Mealer though.
Barwis is fine. He has his methodology he believes in, with some merit, and was forward thinking in some regards.
His biggest problems were: 1) he put himself out front, when that isn't the role a S&C should play; 2) some of his methods didn't align with actual scientific evidence; 3) he hyped many of his methods as if he was the only one to profess them rather than pretty standard thought; 4) he treated his methods like they were the only methods for success
Those things put him at odds with many in his industry. He's a fine coach. I don't really blame him for any of UM failures. But he didn't live up to the hype, which he is partially to blame for getting.
Strength and conditioning coach feels like the most overhyped dude on a football staff. Michigan’s linemen look too fat! (Barwis comes in). Now they are ripped! Look at those pics! (OL can’t block well). Michigan’s linemen aren’t fat enough!
Who is the best team in the NFL, and who is their strength coach? Yep.
August 7th, 2019 at 10:48 AM ^
Remember though, why was he hyped in the first place? Yes, he is a great self promoter. He was doing vids. Hyping guys up, that's contageous.
BUT, to me, the single biggest reason why Mike Barwis became a meme, before we knew what memes really were (I can has Miek Barwis?), was we were coming out of Lloyd Carr HIT training darkness. 1) We never really knew what was going on, but we'd see these other programs promoting their new S&C stuff. People would wonder why UM players weren't world beating track stars as well, like in Columbus, etc. 2) The handful of S&C guys on the boards seemingly all took exception to whatever training methods and techniques Michigan was employing under Lloyd.
So a combination of this gregarious, poundin' plates, gravel voiced, fist pounding dude who is now making videos showing us these crazy new techniques... basically, we were thirsty and someone gave us a drink. You can argue that maybe Zima wasn't the greatest drink at the time, but we were just happy to have anything.
Henson was fantastic. His junior year should have been national title level if the defense wasn't terrible.
The Purdue and Northwestern games were GERG level disasters. Those aren't on Henson.
And he's the last Michigan QB to win in Columbus.
Take away the 4th quarter in Purdue and NW and we're playing for a national title. For the life of me, I still don't know why Lloyd sat on the lead at Purdue. I don't even want to think about NW.
Because Lloyd sat on every lead.....
As good as A-Train was, he sure had some disastrous fumbles.
The game in Columbus was a thing of beauty with the naked bootleg the icing on the cake!!!
If there was a llead Lloyd didn’t sit on, I never met it.
August 6th, 2019 at 11:24 PM ^
At least Lloyd could make hay with that quick screen pass, it's never been run successfully since it seems.
JT was short.
Just the fact Henson is the last QB to beat osu in that cesspool down there in almost 20 years, I have to give him credit.
Nothing to add here. I just wanted my avatar to appear in this thread.
But I'll still take my #7 over your #7.
The same Barwis who trained offensive and defensive lines that were manhandled on a regular basis?
Well I guess this is not breaking news. But I liked him with Michigan and I like him with the Wings.
Posted by:
- Mike Barwis
Mike Barwis
Founder and CEO of Barwis Methods
Position Summary:
The BARWIS Corporation is looking for interested applicants to fill the position of the Head Strength and Conditioning Coach for the Detroit Red Wings hockey club, an Original Six member of the National Hockey League and 11-time Stanley Cup Champion. The Head Strength & Conditioning Coach is responsible to create and implement appropriate and specific workout programs for professional hockey players as well as supervise and mentor Strength and Conditioning Coaches with the NHL team. This position will oversee the Strength and Conditioning Staff and will work in coordination with the Detroit Red Wings’ Performance Staff to ensure that there is a seamless integration of all player care through the organization. The Head Strength & Conditioning Coach will report directly to the Senior Director of Performance.
Arkhangelskoye....... the antecedent of hockey s&c methods.
Barwis has earneda very strong rep in the hockey world. Started working with hockey guys when he arrived at Michigan and looks like he found a good match.
I heard Stevie Y is coming back
Over Keith Jackson's dead body!
There are Methods to his Effect.
Let's set the record straight on Barwis:
A S&C coach is hired to sculpt and mold the players according to the design of the head coach, NOT according to the S&C's personal preferences.
Barwis was hired by Rich Rod to sculpt smaller, faster players, because that's what Rich Rod's scheme is designed around, both on offense and defense. Had Barwis been hired by Carr, Moeller, or Schembechler, he would have sculpted the players according to the traditional "Michigan Man" image.
Some of you seem to be blaming Barwis as if the idea of smaller, faster players was all his idea, when it was the order coming down from Rich Rod. The players weren't inferior in size because Barwis didn't know what he was doing; they were inferior in size because Rich Rod was going for speed, right or wrong.
It's a bit like the defensive woes we had under Rich Rod. Some of you rip into Greg Robinson as if he knew nothing about defense. But Robinson was a farily solid defensive mind, and demonstrated so elsewhere. The problem really wasn't G. Robinson; the problem was that Rich Rod (for reasons that still baffle me) didn't have the brains to look for a 3-3-5 DC to run a 3-3-5 defense, and instead hired a 4-3 DC to run a 3-3-5 defense. That's like hiring a monster truck driver to drive a Ferrari or a Formula One car; it's a different skill set for a different vehicle. I've said before that, had Rich Rod simply taken this step, his tenure at Michigan may have looked quite different (Granted, in lieu of the mess he left behind at Arizona, I'm glad he's gone, but the point stands from an on-the-field perspective).
As far as our players conditioning: it doesn't matter how well-conditioned you are if your scheme doesn't fit your players and they lose their assignments (Rich Rod), or if your offense gets too many three and outs (Hoke). A defense that's on the field for too long, even an elite-conditioned one, will still be huffing and puffing at the end of the game. Conditioning can't make up for poor execution.
So lay off Barwis: he did what he was told to do, and in that aspect he did his job.
Mike - is that you?
Nice. Now, actually read the post and engage it :D
jdean, what you said about greg robinson is correct, and to that should be added: the defense only had 28 scholarship players.when greg showed up.
So it IS you.
All of these guys have their own trainers in the summer anyways. It’s not like college where the kids work with the same guys year round. Barwis will essentially be there to help the young guys learn what it takes to keep your body in good playing condition and to make sure players lose as little strength as possible. Lots of guys do a big bulk in the offseason because they lose up to 10 pounds during the season for how often they play and burn calories. Some players will still work with barwis in the offseason. But I think Steve wants to prioritize teaching the young kids about taking care of your body during the fueling NHL season. This move is less about getting the current players in better shape
Fun fact: my buddy works down at LCA helping set stuff up for events, he said yzerman held a meeting with all the arena staff that he doesn’t want to be called Stevie or captain or whatever, just call him Steve. One guy didn’t get the memo and later that day said “what’s up Stevie” and yzerman just rolled his eyes and kept walking. This is just a heads up in case anyone on here ever gets to interact with him or be in earshot of him and wants to say something. I would get annoyed by that too.
I am reminded of every other S&C discussion where someone notes that there is a big hurrah when they arrive and then they are later blamed for losses when they are replaced.
Shea is immediately eligible!
August 6th, 2019 at 10:02 PM ^
August 6th, 2019 at 10:11 PM ^
I never left.
I think the rage over the whole "Barwis" era was more people looking for things to be excited about because so many weren't excited about Rich Rod.
in 2008, we were looking for any reason to be hopeful