Barry Alvarez interview on Bg Ten Network very confusing
Key comments:
- self imposed pause
- Could have played but chancellor called them off
- All players are quarantined in a hotel
This smacks of Wisconsin trying to avoid loses versus protecting players. How can they shut it down when not required by the B1G definitions ? Should they take a forfeit ? Interested in the Board’s views. Thanks
October 28th, 2020 at 6:52 PM ^
I didn’t hear the interview, but if it’s accurate that they could have played per B1G protocols but simply *chose* not to, they should absolutely forfeit.
October 28th, 2020 at 6:57 PM ^
He indicated the Chancellor’s decision was within “protocol” but I can’t find that exception in the B1G published materials.
October 28th, 2020 at 7:31 PM ^
Bambi has an explanation below that seems to indicate that a school in the “Orange/Red” category (players in Red, population in Orange, or vice versa) has the ability to apply discretion. If true, that would seem to place this decision within the scope of the protocols. But there is no argument that moving from a strictly mathematical protocol to one that allows for University discretion opens the door for competitive factors to bleed into the decision.
October 28th, 2020 at 7:12 PM ^
If Ohio State has a loss and we are undefeated heading into The Game, we should also choose not to play.
October 28th, 2020 at 7:14 PM ^
I second this motion.
October 28th, 2020 at 7:38 PM ^
We'd win the B1G but then they'd still get the playoff invite.
I'd rather take my chances to beat them and squash the risk of the ridiculous. (Even though we know playing them there risks the ridiculous.)
October 28th, 2020 at 8:54 PM ^
I don't think a one loss Ohio State that didn't play Michigan gets in. Lose to Penn State they literally have no big wins. Lose to anyone else and I'd argue the loss is in the really bad category (I don't think Indiana is that good). Michigan going undefeated while skipping Ohio State has several more quality wins and no bad losses. I would expect Michigan to be ranked higher. Lets be real though, Harbaugh wouldn't intentionally not play this game.
October 28th, 2020 at 9:14 PM ^
If OSU has any scholarship players on the roster available, regardless of record, we should choose not to play.
October 29th, 2020 at 9:40 AM ^
Dude, their walk on quarterback would probably still throw for 400 yards against Michigan. I’ve come to realize that when it comes to playing OSU, it doesn’t matter who they throw out there. That guy has the game of his life and rewrites the record books.
October 28th, 2020 at 9:14 PM ^
Let's have that conversation when they have a loss...
October 28th, 2020 at 10:52 PM ^
You know what Bo always said: "Those who don't play will be champions"
October 28th, 2020 at 6:55 PM ^
I'm sure I'm the only person on the board who didn't watch the interview live, but do you mind if I make an extremely selfish request and ask for a link to it?
October 28th, 2020 at 6:59 PM ^
Clearly thinking of no one but yourself with such a self centered request
October 28th, 2020 at 6:59 PM ^
Sorry was watching the interview live. I am not Tech savvy - can someone post the YouTube link when available? Thanks
October 28th, 2020 at 7:05 PM ^
No worries, Mongo. Just teasing.
I like to think of the board as my buddies at the bar. Since I don't really have time for that these days.
October 28th, 2020 at 7:40 PM ^
"I like to think of the board as my buddies at the bar."
Amen. I wish the whole internet thought and acted this way.
October 28th, 2020 at 9:55 PM ^
evenyoubrutus - no problem. I would be happy to buy you a beer if I could!
October 28th, 2020 at 9:10 PM ^
Mingo not good at links. Just pawn in game of life.
October 28th, 2020 at 7:03 PM ^
So good.
October 28th, 2020 at 6:58 PM ^
It is challenging to answer that question without understanding the actual numbers. How many players have tested positive. How many players have had close contact with those players? Is there good reason to believe other players are likely to teat positive or do they think the outbreak is under control?
if they have good reason to think the outbreak may not be under control then I don’t think they should be faulted for being cautious.
October 28th, 2020 at 7:04 PM ^
I posted this yesterday:
Games being cancelled are determined by a 7 day rolling average of positivity rate, and that includes all tests administered, not just to the players. The criteria are:
- Test positivity rate (number of positive tests divided by total number of tests administered):
- Green 0-2%
- Orange 2-5%
- Red >5%
- Population positivity rate (number of positive individuals divided by total population at risk):
- Green 0-3.5%
- Orange 3.5-7.5%
- Red >7.5%
If a team falls in the Red/Red category, they're required to shut down for at least seven days. If a team is Orange/Orange or Orange/Red, they are supposed to alter their day to day protocol and consider the viability of continuing with scheduled competition.
According to statements put out by Wisconsin/Alvarez earlier today, 6 players tested posted along with 6 staff members (including Chryst) and Wisconsin ended up in the Orange/Red category. This fits with what Alvarez said where they could have played, but the chancelor decided that continuing with scheduled competition wasn't viable.
I assume that since the B1G recommends assessing the viability of continuing with scheduled competition during the Orange/Red designation, Wisconsin deciding not to play this weekend will be considered a no contest and not a forfeit. And that's what I want to happen, if teams in this scenario are told that they'll be charged with a loss if they don't play we're gonna see teams push to play in spots when they shouldn't, and playing football is secondary to the stopping the spread of COVID.
October 28th, 2020 at 7:15 PM ^
Bambi - excellent post, thanks. That should put this issue technically to bed. But watching the interview live, Barry was not convincing. Seemed really guarded. He should have had you to prepare him for a better response!
October 28th, 2020 at 8:44 PM ^
Nice points - and sl OT but still sports medical - this is why decisions about playing and concussions and other serious injuries should be decided by someone without a sporting interest.
October 28th, 2020 at 9:32 PM ^
If Alvarez was selling an used car I wouldn't be buying
October 28th, 2020 at 7:34 PM ^
Additionally, that seems like a lot of the coaching staff
October 28th, 2020 at 7:39 PM ^
Agreed, Bambi. When an abundance of caution is being exercised, it shouldn't be punished.
October 28th, 2020 at 7:07 PM ^
I may have misheard, but from what I gathered from the interview, it sounds like the Wisconsin-Nebraska game is going to be a "no contest," versus a forfeit by Wisconsin. Which seem bogus, especially if you are Nebraska, because Wisconsin is not playing by their choice, not because of any mandate by the Big Ten.
They would rather take no contest versus a loss (obviously), but it doesn't seem right.
October 28th, 2020 at 7:08 PM ^
In an 8-game season, whether it is a "no-contest" or a "forfeit" is really just semantics. Wisconsin is not going to be championship contender even if they go "7-0". In the end, I have to think a "no contest" will have a similar impact as a loss in this truncated season.
October 28th, 2020 at 7:24 PM ^
Not so in the B1G standings. A no loss Wisconsin will go to the title game regardless even if they only play 5 games. That would be unfair if true.
October 28th, 2020 at 7:37 PM ^
Coaches and ADs have used things to their advantage. They were in the orange area and decided to cancel. If they had their starting QB I wonder if they make the move? I doubt it but we will never know
October 28th, 2020 at 7:38 PM ^
Not really sure why UW/Mertz were getting so much love nationally after beating... Illinois? Don't get me wrong, Wisconsin looked good beating an annually bad team but it wasn't a high pressure game of playing a decent defense. Or offense for that matter?! Sure, they're the class of the B1G 10 West but at what volumes does that title speak to?
People on this board were so focused on this Mertz guy possibly playing against UM due to Covid, it was kinda embarrassing. Yes - we'd all love to play 4th stringers all the time but if we don't, we'll be fine. Hope the game actually happens and we get a little payback for last year's shit show.
October 28th, 2020 at 8:00 PM ^
That’s what this board does - in terms of tending to play up players on opposing teams. Did you not see the two weeks worth of OMG BATEMAN VS OUR DB’S leading up to the game?
October 28th, 2020 at 7:45 PM ^
If they have the requisite number of players to fully field a team, even if playing out of position, they should have to take a forfeit if they don't play.
October 28th, 2020 at 7:51 PM ^
If you can’t field a team and have to sit out that should be an “L”. Has to be an reward for teams and players to do the right thing and stay healthy and safe/punishment for those that don’t.
October 28th, 2020 at 8:24 PM ^
I agree with this. Wisconsin is trying to engineer a no contest result, which has no consequences in determining eligibility for qualifying for the BIG championship game, rather than a real loss or a no contest (forfeit) loss, which does. What comes next is some attempt at waiving the 21 day rule to get Mertz back sooner.
Barry isn’t confused, he knows the rules. Hell, he wrote the rules.
October 28th, 2020 at 8:35 PM ^
I watched the live interview. Barry is manipulating this situation based upon his crap description. It was lame.
October 28th, 2020 at 8:56 PM ^
If Wisconsin is doing this because their top 3 QBs are out, are they going to skip the next three games? If that's the case, let us know so we can see if EMU is up for an impromptu beatdown.
October 28th, 2020 at 9:24 PM ^
Never was an Alvarez fan (or Bielema for that matter). Wisconsin deserves a 'L' here for choosing not to play!! They could have safely and easily quaranteened the covid players and coaches and still fielded a squad from the 100+ other players on the active roster. They simply opted not to play since they could not field their 'best' team at this time. Don't reward bad behavior!
October 28th, 2020 at 9:24 PM ^
Is it bad of me to want to see all of Nebraska’s 2020 home games cancelled after Frost’s whining over the last few months?
October 28th, 2020 at 9:45 PM ^
They should forfeit, they had an able QB, they just know their running game sucks so without a QB they would be embarassed by nebraska on the road.
Mertz cannot play next week, so they are imposing a 7 day pause.. so they are gonna come back mid week next week and try to practice for their game next week?
I gaurantee they sit out until the michigan game
October 29th, 2020 at 11:00 AM ^
Alvarez is already lobbying to have the 21-day rule rescinded.
October 28th, 2020 at 10:18 PM ^
I believe they have to meet all the criteria by the B1G conference in order to get "no contest" which I believe they did based on reports. Barry probably just didn't want to seemingly admit a failure to protect the players or didn't know the situation because he seemingly can have blinders on at times
October 28th, 2020 at 10:20 PM ^
No team or conference is adequately prepared to handle this pandemic. Shocking, I know
October 28th, 2020 at 10:25 PM ^
They have a whole bunch of infected players and the big debate is whether they should forfeit the game?
Fuck that. Thank you to UW for doing the right goddamn thing for the safety of the players, staff, other team, and all their families.
October 28th, 2020 at 11:10 PM ^
Ok Doc
October 28th, 2020 at 11:09 PM ^
Great. Ohio State's will face Nebraska again the B10 championship game
October 28th, 2020 at 11:51 PM ^
If they're not complying to the B1G COVID rules for a game cancellation than it needs to be a loss. It is not fair just because they lost a few key players which could result in a loss. NE has the right to be upset and they should get the W if WI just chose not to play.
October 29th, 2020 at 5:50 AM ^
Answer -- yes, they should absolutely be forced to forfeit.
October 29th, 2020 at 7:15 AM ^
Forfeit
October 29th, 2020 at 10:58 AM ^
What a joke. The Big Ten giving programs leeway to decide when to play and not to play even though they are below the limits set by the conference.
Last week Minnesota had more players out and yet they still showed up against Michigan.
I’m guessing that if Graham Mertz were the only healthy QB on the roster, as opposed to their own 4th string version of Rudy, this game would miraculously get played.
Barry Alvarez wants only to screw Nebraska as much and as often as possible. He hates Nebraska and so does Paul Chryst for firing Shawn Eichorst and Mike Riley.