Another recruit has a funny/weird Harbaugh take: "I'll grow on you".
SIAP... From Orangebloods, a Texas buddy forwarded this:
Let’s start with an update from Jeremy Patton previewing his upcoming decision on July 31. The Tenaha linebacker officially has a final five and he weighed in on each of his finalists …
Michigan – “What put Michigan on my list, I would say the visit. The visits in general helped everyone out. Doing Zooms was good, but not like getting a real feel for real people. When I got there, the first night, it was like, ‘Nah this isn’t what I was used to.’ But as the days went on, I saw the campus and had breakfast, coach Harbaugh stood out to me. He’s really different. A real genuine dude, but the weird type. The first thing he did was sit right by me and said ‘I’ll grow on you.’
That seems like a disturbingly accurate take on Patton's part.
So you mean to tell me that a guy in his Mid to late 50’s is a little different than the 18-22 year olds of today? Wow what a hot take!!!
You don’t have to join every thread to defend Harbaugh. From what I read above, it’s strange. To the recruit feeding information to the reporter, it was strange.
There are lots of negative things to be said about Harbaugh, not sure why Patton’s take is one of them. He said he came to campus, didn’t like it, but by the time he had left he had been sold and put Michigan on his short list. If he had highlighted Harbaugh and hadn’t put them on the list, the strangeness would be a big deal. I would argue that understanding that he comes across as a little weird and confronting it head on is a good thing. Highlighting Harbaugh suggests that he is a factor that made Patton more comfortable with Michigan not less.
I’m sure you’re the life of the party, wherever you go!!! There’s no defending,”strange!”
Patton is explaining why he chose to put Michigan in his top list. No defending should be necessary. Apparently with you, there is defending “lack of reading comprehension”
When you present your dissertation I’ll just listen. When you reread what I said and then restate what another genius said and then mention I have a problem with comprehension leads me to believe that self inclusion is your strongest attribute. Once again there is no defending,”strange!”
It is pretty easy to defend the concept that a highly sought after recruit put Michigan in his top list as a good thing. If the recruit cites Harbaugh in an explanation of why he included Michigan, It stands to reason that is part of the reason he chose Michigan. I would agree with you that strange generally has a negative connotation, but in the context of the entire quote it is not negative.
If you want to debate my intelligence on comprehension, I’ll just reply with a generalized reply such as,”contact me on the date you defend your dissertation!” I’ll come and listen. I never defended Harbaugh, my reply was one of personal experience. An older man,”man” who young adults might see as a little weird. Every reply doesn’t refer to coach Harbaugh. Self reflection is ok for some.
First of all, you are the one that commented to me “I’m sure you’re the life of the party, wherever you go!!! There’s no defending,”strange!” That is what provoked my return insult,
if you want to insult me, don’t be surprised that I decide to reply in kind.
My reply was to NYCfan because that was the person who claimed that I was defending Harbaugh and that is it! But I read what you said and it seems that you agreed. However, you’re entitled to your opinions and I never disrespected you. GO BLUE!!!
Thanks and sorry for over-reacting. I thought your response was to me - but even then probably should have just let it go,
Go blue
Mister Doctor Harbaugh?
It's Strange.
Maybe, who am I to judge.
I'm disappointed that he seems to have given up the tree climbing and sleepovers!
The recruit didn’t say Harbaugh was “different”…he said Harbaugh was “weird”. Massive difference.
This is also a 17-18 year old. Weird and different were in the same neighborhood, lived on the same block, when I was a kid.
How many kids said Urban was weird? He's the same age as Jim.
How many kids said Urban was weird? He's the same age as Jim.
The kid on my block who had a black Honda Accord compared to my grey GMC Truck was “different” from me. The kid that pedaled his unicycle around dressed like a Pokémon was “weird”.
Many nerds are considered weird....but they are genuine and down to earth, because they don't care about superficial things and or are mature enough to behave as their true self. Contrast this to many coaches who are disgenuous and smug.
The more games he wins, the less he'll have to grow on people.
Mandatory neg because you criticized JH.
I like Harbaugh, genuinely feel bad for him (yes, he is paid very handsomely, but there's more to life than money) and very much want him to succeed for his own sake. I don't think he has been given nearly a fair shake around here, mostly coming from on high.
Harbaugh wants an elite QB to lead this team to a National title more than anyone on this message board, and is trying harder and doing more to achieve that goal than anyone on this message board. I too feel bad for him
Isn’t it Harbaugh’s job to do more than literally anyone on the planet to make Michigan football succeed?
I don't understand the idea that Harbaugh hasn't received a fair shake. This will be his seventh season at Michigan. That equals the RichRod & Hoke eras combined.
I feel he has been given every opportunity to succeed. As far as we know:
- he has never been denied a hiring choice
- it seems like the football program gets any money it needs to keep facilities up to date
- the AD supported the international trips and satellite camps
- the AD has never made a public statement that would undermine him (even through Covid and the Bo situation)
- there have not been significant limitations on who he wants to recruit
I don't get it. It seems like he has everything a head coach could ask for. What isn't fair?
"Hasn't received a fair shake" . This is a joke right?? Right!?!
Those are all correct, except limitations on who he can recruit. But that is for any M coach.
No other Michigan coach has had to coach in the B1G East and play a 9 conference game schedule. Had Michigan been playing in the older Legends/Leaders division's, Harbaugh would have had trips to Indy. All things equal, it would still probably be the same team with no wins against Ohio State but the program would look better.
Michigan State was able to put together a great run with 4 out of conference games and ducking Ohio State. Suddenly when they couldn't do that any more their program came back down to earth.
I'm confused, MSU beat OSU in 2011 in Columbus (against Luke Fickell, fair enough just like our win), 2013 on a neutral field and in 2015 in Columbus. The only years they didnt play OSU were 2009 and 2010. How did they duck OSU exactly?
MSU ducked OSU? What exactly did UM do last year to OSU ?
I like Harbaugh as well. What I can't figure out is how he could be successful at Stanford with higher academic/institutional standards, and beating a very good Pete Carroll USC program 2 out 3 years while he was there. This included beating a USC team that was ranked #1 in his first year. Yet he hasn't been able to get over the hump at Michigan with better recruits and recruiting classes.
First, it's not the same Harbaugh. 2015-2016 looked like Stanford/49ers Harbaugh--fiery, passionate, explosive--and in 2015-2016 he seemed well on his way to building a program commensurate with what he had at Stanford and San Francisco. From 2017 on, he's been an emotionless zombie, 180 degrees from the reputation he came in with, and too often the team seemed to play the same way. How many time since then, especially on the road, has the team come out of the gate completely flat? That's one example.
There are other things, too, that have seemed to change with him as well. He came in with a reputation as a relentless competitor, determined to outwork his opponents and explore every potential advantage he might be able to use. We saw this with hiring analysts, hosting satellite camps, restructuring practices to maximize efficiency and reduce player down time, etc. Then all of a sudden the creativity stopped. We've heard reports that recruiting was an understaffed, unorganized cluster. Nobody seemed on the same page with respect to game plans or scheme. And it goes on. That doesn't sound like a man who was so relentless to win that he'd outwork you at every step. The passion/emotion is clear for anyone to see, and I'm tempted to say that here, too, he's just not the same person. But maybe at least on this point the creativity was never actually him. That he supplied the work ethic, but the ideas came from others. Some from his earlier stops never came here to begin with, like Greg Roman, who has at times been credited as the true driver of Harbaugh's previous innovative offenses. And of those that did follow him to Michigan, I'm not sure any are left, so it's possible that his more recent hires haven't picked up the innovation slack.
But whether it's solely due to him changing, or is coupled with losing the assistants that truly drove his reputation, it seems clear that the ingredients to his prior success just aren't here anymore.
To be fair on one aspect: Michigan has come out flat for many games for a very long time. Way before Harbaugh was coach. I actually think the Harbaugh era has had fewer issues with the team coming out flat and more issues finishing games and protecting leads. Carr had similar problems closing games but also had the ability to pull out second half/4th quarter comebacks that we have yet to see from Harbaugh.
the rest of your post seems valid.
I like Harbaugh, too. At Stanford he had Andrew Luck, which helped. The schedule, on whole, was also a bit lighter. But I still have optimism.
Not sure if a coincidence he began to slide the moment he had his father nearby, and then another "elder" in Brown...wonder how much he deferred to them on things. Now he's the elder again.
I have to disagree. He's been given chance after chance to succeed. He is absolutely worshipped by our AD. I maintain that very few CFB coaches in America would be retained after a 2-4 season in which the team was at times clearly disinterested. Not only was he retained, but the decision was clearly left in his hands, and he was allowed to drag out the process by considering his NFL options before signing what is still a generous contract extension.
Not a fair shake? C'mon man.
And for the record, I want Michigan football to succeed as well, no matter the coach.
It has been clearly covered, repeatedly here, even on the main page. We were absolutely crippled this year by the few opt outs, and injuries early on. Combine that with a covid year with limited practice time, constant back and forth about what's the protocol, and so forth. The defense was being restructured in a not insignificant way. We lost almost all of our best players. Shit happens. Sure some teams did fine through it, but everything should be taken in context, and I don't think that's really happening here. Harbaugh, IMO, has showed everywhere else, and his first four years here that he is a first rate coach, and I don't see how anyone can dispute that. He is a first rate human being, as far as I can tell, he cares about the well being of his players. He graduates players. He prepares them well for the NFL, for those that make it.
I understand frustration, I feel a lot of that. But I try to look at everything, and weigh it as fairly as I can, removing emotion to the extent that I can. Still can't help but feel for the guy. I maintain that with a stable, cohesive staff (we'll see I guess), and a QB, O line, solid defense... he will prove a lot of folks wrong. I hope he does that.
While last year was made worse by injuries and opt outs, many of the problems were on the coaching staff. Having no safety coach is on Harbaugh. While Thomas opting out hurt at corner, that is a position you need three quality starters, not having at least one corner ready to step up against Michigan State is on recruiting, which is ultimately on Harbaugh. Lack of interior defensive linemen is either recruiting or development - once again, ultimately on Harbaugh.
Harbaugh hasn't received a fair shake yet you just gave him every excuse possible. Smh
Like a fungus.
Me too. Especially the psychedelic kind.
Like warts
So Harbaugh did grow on him. That's good!
I love Jim Harbaugh and if anybody read into this post that I wanted to start a Harbaugh bonfire, well, you should do something to improve your reading skills: don't try to find something between the lines that's not there.
The guy IS genuinely weird. Doesn't make him a bad guy or a bad coach.
Yeesh!
You did your job. It’s just a post of what someone else said. Trust me you could quote Thoreau, and somehow someone would come and accuse me of coming to Harbaugh’s rescue.
This x 1000.
I didn't read it that way at all. My comment was just speaking to the wind. Dude is definitely a strange bird, no doubt.
Shit most my friends have oddities that make them fun to be around.
Harbaugh’s comment to me shows humility and self awareness. Two qualities that I would think would be really cool and unique in P5 football coach.
Pattons comment to me sounded like that’s exactly how he took and it.