247 Sports: Jim Harbaug's recruiting success

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"Michigan has signed 35 four-star or five-star prospects in those two years under Harbaugh, tied for second-most in the nation with Ohio State and behind only Alabama (38), after signing 51 the previous five years (No. 12 in the country), as shown in the charts above. The class the Wolverines just signed this year featured both quantity (30 commits) and quality (21 four-star or five-star prospects), with 70% of the signees being at least four-star prospects – the best mark put up by Michigan since reliable recruiting data became available in 2002. . . . "

"What has also changed is where that blue-chip out-of-state talent is coming from . . . .Michigan has signed five such prospects from New Jersey over the last two years, including five-star defensive tackle Rashan Gary and the most in the country, and more even than Rutgers (three). That includes three apiece from California and Florida, and more from Indiana and Colorado (two apiece) than from Ohio (one)."

There are graphs and maps and such in the article, if you care to click.

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TrueBlue2003

July 7th, 2017 at 2:43 PM ^

around here that we'd get more high end talent in smaller classes since we'd limit our targets to higher end talent and wouldn't have to take so many 3-stars to fill out the class and I think people are seeing that not happening now - which has been surprising.  But it's also a small sample and only one year, so no reason to be concerned.

Mr. Yost

July 8th, 2017 at 8:24 AM ^

Dude, I can read a calendar. I can give an opinion in July...as can you. No one is hitting the panic button. You took what I said and went a step too far. My point was this...this current class is vey important. In my opinion of course. We need it to be a top 10 class. Again, in my opinion. Recruiting rankings aren't everything, but I believe they matter more when you have a stronger recruiter and evaluator like we do. When Hoke had a top class it didn't seem to mean much...Harbaugh's two top classes have BOTH looked promising from Day 1. We need a 3rd year since year 1 was a transition and late start.

Sten Carlson

July 8th, 2017 at 12:41 PM ^

I agree Mr. Yost! The pipeline MUST remain unbroken. That's been Michigan's issue of late -- too many recruiting gaps and complete busts. Even under Harbaugh in year #1, it was a truncated recruiting program push and subsequently a relatively weak class. Bama goes without saying, but people need to look at OSU by comparison -- they were rolling under JT while Michigan was waning, then (amazingly) they were given the ability to have two coaching staffs during their transition. Basically, they missed maybe a quarter of a beat, but not really. Michigan, by contrast (as is aptly detailed on MGoBlog) had entire classes with out OL and QB's, had several losing seasons, missed bowls, transfers, staff changes, AD changes, PR debacles, etc. As I said elsewhere, we were a gnat's ass from irrelevance while Bama and OSU were cruising to NC's and top classes year after year. Michigan Men and Women should, IMO, have the perspective to see this and relish the return. I have no doubt that Harbaugh knows EXACTLY what he's up against and EXACTLY what is needed to get Michigan back on to equal footing with the elite programs. Fans can huff and puff about shoulds and shouldn't, talk about accountability, etc but first accept the reality of the situation and understand that Michigan was so far down since 2008 that it's actually been a shockingly fast resurgence under Harbaugh!

evenyoubrutus

July 7th, 2017 at 8:32 AM ^

You just cited two coaches who had already won national championships before their consistent recruiting success. It is possible to win a championships without 4 consecutive top ten classes, and it is probably necessary to ever get to that point. Clemson certainly has not recruited like that before, and they blatantly cheat. 2018 and 19 should be great years. If Harbaugh can win one in that timeframe then the recruiting will start to roll.

blue in dc

July 7th, 2017 at 10:51 AM ^

Harbaugh shouod have just recruited less kids last year. You could drop 5 or 6 kids from last years class and still finished in the top ten (and quite possibly top 5). Add 5 more to this years class and we'd almost definitely have a top ten class this year. This would meet your metric but it's hard to see that making the team better. As long as Harbaugh keeps getting the caliber of recruits he's getting, a lower class rank because of a small recruiting class size is not a problem.

war-dawg69

July 7th, 2017 at 1:31 PM ^

You really think Harbaugh is just going through the motions this year and does not expect to win it all. I have Michigan undefeated heading into the osu game. Michigan has more talent than any team we play up to the game. I really see no excuses to lose any games this year up until the playoffs. The reason we have more talent is our recruiting has been better than these other teams. Really do not understand the argument about Harbaughs recruiting unless you base it totally on star gazing and if so we should dump players like Evans, Hudson, Mcdoom to name a few who were not highly rated by the so called experts at recruiting sites.

blue in dc

July 7th, 2017 at 2:12 PM ^

In both 2014 and 2015 both Florida and Penn State had higher ranked classes than we did. While we clearly had better classes in 2016 and 2017 you seem to completely discount experience. Most people who look at our schedule objectively seem to come to the same conclusion. There are 4 teams on our schedule that might be equal to or better than us (Florida, Penn State, Wisconsin and Florida). While it is perfectly reasonable to argue why we can beat any or all of them FL is neutral site, they are also breaking in many new players, etc. Penn State - look at what we did to them last year 50/50 balls etc. Wisconsin - should have beat them by much more last year if we could kick a field goal and/or Newsome didn't get hurt Ohio State- almost beat them last year with a hurt quarterback Simply insisting without some actual analysis that we have more talent is not particularly credible.

funkywolve

July 7th, 2017 at 3:57 PM ^

is skewed by how many recruits a school signs.  It's better to look at the average star per player and compare that to the other schools.  Clemson is a good example of this.  They rarely have a top 10 class because they usually are only signing 20-23 recruits but their average star per player is on par with just about any school in the country.

Michigan's overall class right now might be ranked 18th on 247 but by average star per player they are 8th.

Year of Revenge II

July 7th, 2017 at 7:19 AM ^

The recruiting dude is slowly but surely building a monster.

It's obvious he hates recruiting, his wife won't leave the Bay Area, and he's going to Oakland. Could the media have been any more wrong about one man?

jblaze

July 7th, 2017 at 7:51 AM ^

It's just a function of class size, look at average ranking over the 3 year period.

Still, I'm sure it's top 5, but OSU and Bama are at another level.

yossarians tree

July 7th, 2017 at 10:15 AM ^

Here's something to ponder. Maybe it is actually significantly harder to get certain types of players to Michigan than it is to get them to OSU or Bama. While Harbaugh is getting the attention of more big time recruits, he also is obviously putting a premium on kids who are serious about getting the whole college experience. He wants good players, don't get me wrong, but he also wants high character and guys who at least make the show of valuing the education, culture, etc. of Michigan. I'd be willing to bet that a lot of kids are intimidated by that stuff and choose a program that puts less value on things that have nothing to do with getting to the League. I'm guessing that when we lose a top kid to one of these other programs, it is actually the stuff that we love about Michigan that is the difference for that particular kid.

INeedToChangeM…

July 7th, 2017 at 8:08 AM ^

But 19' will be CRAZY, I think this year is a huge Quality > Quantity year, we had alot of both last year especially in Quantity so this year we wanna address Key Needs with limited scholarships. In 2019 is where we really make our money. Can't wait!

swalburn

July 7th, 2017 at 9:45 AM ^

Damn, we have glass half empty guys on the board.  The last 2 classes have been absolute monster classes and we are coming off back to back major bowl appearances and 10 win seasons.  Harbaugh hasn't even had a chance to get his kids on campus yet.  Does anyone remember how bad things were for about an 8 year period?  I get the point that we need to win some big games but things don't just happen overnight.

Blue in Paradise

July 7th, 2017 at 10:12 AM ^

Of shit with some highly talented but poorly developed players sprinkled in (outside of Lewis and the DL). The recruiting momentum went off a cliff in the 2015 cycle, He turned that 5-7 team, which easily could have been 4-8 in 2015 if not for Harbaugh taking over, into a top 10 team. But hey, he hasn't beaten an OSU team with a legendary coach full of 4 and 5 stars that has been rolling for 5 years now. Most people remember the last decade and appreciate the past 2 years. But there are always a few out there that like this be miserable drama queens.

yossarians tree

July 7th, 2017 at 10:22 AM ^

Exactly. Half of his first full recruiting class has not even seen significant playing time yet. When we get the results, those of us who can appreciate the process will be more sufficiently actualized. Now piss off!

True Blue Grit

July 7th, 2017 at 12:04 PM ^

in AD right before that, Michigan has really done a great job leveraging the assets U-M can offer recruits.  And it's showing with the classes we're bringing in.   Obviously, it can get better if the winning continues on the field and we win a championship of some kind.  

Michifornia

July 8th, 2017 at 12:34 AM ^

Should root for sparty.  Things don't change overnight.  Though with Harbaugh they practically are changing overnight.  Yes, osu and bama are ahead but they were well established while we endured RichRod and Hoke.

People who are still trying to see the glass half empty are either trollers or just whiners in their daily life.  Good grief.  Harbaugh, Mattison, Brown et al are building a machine.  If you can't see that and enjoy it, be gone!

GO BLUE!!

Catchafire

July 7th, 2017 at 1:48 PM ^

People are quick to forget the Steven Threet / Nick Sheridan years, and now that we have a bit of success are trying to throw Harbaugh under the bus for not winning the "Big" one.

I am genuinlely excited about where our team will be this year and next year because we are constantly improving.  We may not beat OSU this year but how awesome was last year's game?!?! We are going up against a juggernaut in OSU and in the process becoming a juggernaut AGAIN under Harbaugh.

Friends, the folks down south in Columbus are going to shit their pants when we beat them this year BECAUSE they know that bullshit of theirs is going down.

Sten Carlson

July 7th, 2017 at 2:37 PM ^

I sure a hell haven't forgotten those years! All the complaining and "... until Harbaugh wins the big one!" BS is complete shortsighted crap, IMO. If Bama and OSU are the only two teams in the nation that are obviously our recruiting Michigan, I'll take it considering how low things were from 2008 until JH's arrival. When you've reached the bottom of the well it takes time to climb back out. Michigan, sadly, was one step away from complete and utter irrelevance -- now, at least, we're back in the conversation. Steady as she goes! There is no rush, and JH & Co. are doing things the right way for the players, and the program. We suffered through those down years, is it too much to ask to be patient and enjoy the come back? OSU lucked out -- they cheated, got caught and got and upgrade. Oh well! We've got the man for the job and he's clearly taken Michigan's recruiting to another level.

Bp6

July 7th, 2017 at 3:36 PM ^

When I look at what Harbaugh has done here so far I think he has exceeded expectations as far as recruiting goes. Many people suggested that Harbaugh dislikes recruiting, but I am positive that Jim loves that part of coaching in college bc he can find his type of guys. Harbaugh has mostly filled his classes with winners, multi-sport athletes, and guys with great character who hate losing. I love our staffs approach, and their recruiting pitch has been right on the money since day 1. I used to question Harbaugh's recruiting tactics some when he first began. I was concerned that Harbaugh was taking too many project players too early in the cycles. However, after watching this staff develop these guys for 2 years I am 100% behind anyone he offers. Michigan just had the most players drafted into the NFL of any team in the country. I don't mean to be rude, but if last years team played for coach Hoke I think we would've seen another mediocre season. The WR's, and Defensive line hauls have been INSANELY impressive so far. I'm not sure Michigan has ever seen a stable of WR's this good in a long time. To get DPJ, Collins, Black, and Martin in one class is unreal. Already have capable guys in McDoom, Crawford, and Perry on the roster. The athleticism of this group is crazy good. Speight should have a field day getting the ball to these guys. The defensive line recruiting has been my personal favorite. We have a bunch of really big dudes who can run, with great footwork, and the ability to bend well at the hip. I see our DL being elite for years and years to come. Most excited about Solomon and Hudson, though I like all of them. The speed on the outside should be great now too!! Once our offensive line is set I think we are playoff worthy year in and out for a very long time.

MGoStrength

July 7th, 2017 at 5:47 PM ^

He has had great success, and I really like that a few things are happening, 1) we are locking down the top in-state talent, and 2) we are improving our national footprint and giving teams like Georgia fits.  However, tying the number of 4 and 5-star recruits with OSU is misleading. OSU's average ranking of those 4 and 5-stars is much higher than UMs.  

 

Granted, as long as UM is somewhat close to OSU in recruiting and we get the right breaks we have a decent shot of beating them and getting a shot at the playoff.  On the other hand, it's been so long since we've gotten over the hump of beating OSU very often that it's hard to imagine.  They just seem to have our number and Meyer is also a helluva recruiter himself so it's hard to get anything more than optimistic.  I do wonder who is the better recruiter.  Is Meyer truely a better recruiter or is OSU just a more desirable destination due to more recent success and other hush hush reasons.