Evaluating Chris Hinton's snaps (with some pics)

Submitted by Joby on October 1st, 2019 at 9:24 PM

Hi everyone. First time posting. In light of Harbaugh's recent statement that the freshmen DTs are close to contributing, I thought it would be useful to see how Chris Hinton performed against Rutgers backups in garbage time of a blowout win.

Obviously, that is not representative of most of the rest of Michigan's competition, but I looked for opponent-invariant details that might give us some insight into what to expect down the road. Some pics weren't available, since the video graciously provided by ldevon1 was no longer available due to copyright.

 

Hinton got in on the last two drives (really, just one drive and one play) of the game for a total of six plays, so the sample size wasn't large. He played 3T the entire time.

 

Spoiler: I thought Hinton looked quite good in this very limited sample size. I had him for three +2 plays, one +1, and one -0.5. He fires off the snap faster than virtually anyone else on the line and showed strength and flashed a literal heads-up play at the end. It bodes well for him getting a larger number of snaps in the next few games, unless the coaches wish to preserve his RS. Snap review follows. 

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Snap 1: 2nd and 5, Rutgers 20. Hinton @3T near RG, 6:25

Rutgers sends the TE in motion to be a lead blocker and runs a pin and pull, pulling the C and RG. Hinton is engaged by the RT, whom he pushes a yard into the backfield (+1). This makes the C redirect upfield and unable to make a useful block. RB tackled by Gray. (no pic)

 

Snap 2: 3rd and 1, Rutgers 24, Hinton @3T near LG, 5:45

Hinton runs a stunt with the DE (Upshaw, I think), who crosses in front of him. He engages an H-back at the LOS and knocks him back a yard just as the back sweeps by him. This impedes Gil's backside pursuit a bit; it doesn't matter since Barrett has sniffed it out, but not quite in time to prevent the 1st down. 

Snap 3: 1st and 10, Rutgers 26, Hinton @3T near RG, 5:04

Rutgers fakes the jet. As the QB and RB mesh, Hinton stands up to a double team from the C and RG, and, ever-so-briefly a triple team from the LG too, and goes nowhere (+2). It constricts the hole, allowing for a fairly easy fill by a S for a 3 yd gain. 

                            Hinton is getting doubled here, goes nowhere

 

Snap 4: 2nd and 7, Rutgers 29, Hinton@3T near RG, 4:20 

Hinton fires off the ball cleanly and WAY before the rest of the line, impressively chucking the RG (+2) to the ground; play is a jet sweep away from him (the one Hill disabled for a TFL, with cleanup from Gil), but this would have blown up an interior run. 

                           Hinton is the DT already fired into the RG

 

Snap 5: 3rd and 10, Rutgers 26, Hinton@3T near RG, 3:40

Sitkowski drops back. Hinton drives the C back about 4 yards (+0.5) and almost helps pay off the impressive bend and rush from Uche, who has Sitkowski dead in his sights and about to have a crunching sack; however, Uche gets around at 10 yards, which allows Sitkowski to step up at the very last second and find the lane vacated by Uche's rush. Now there's a ton of space. Hinton isn't going to shut down all of this, but the C does manage to keep him on the C's right to make the space all the larger (-1). Sitkowski manages to scramble and slide for 3 yards, tackled by Anthony, forcing the punt. 

                          How is this not a RAWR sack for Uche? Hinton at the 21 yd line

 

Snap 6: 1st and 10, Rutgers 20, Hinton @3T near RG, 0:17

Rutgers runs a zone read with no read since it's the end of a blowout. Hinton fires into the RG, again before the rest of the OL and DL. Hinton fights through the RG block, keeps his head up and sees the back coming. He again chucks the OL and makes the tackle on the RB himself (+2) with Barrett there to get a TFL at the 18, until the back squirts forward for 2 yards (no pic). 

 

We just had a game column where we discussed how two people can have incredibly different experiences of the same ostensible reality, so YMMV. In that light, what were your impressions? Did you see promise for this year and beyond?

 

 

Comments

Joby

October 1st, 2019 at 9:46 PM ^

I think he’ll stay on the shelf vs. Iowa, a team that probably knows how to take advantage of a freshman DT. I think he will get into the rotation vs Illinois. If he does well, all systems go for rotational snaps. If not, a RS, which is probably fine.

trustBlue

October 1st, 2019 at 10:21 PM ^

I think I stopped paying attention by the time Hinton was in the game, so thanks for doing this.

Obviously its tough to say based on small sample size and the level of competition, but just from what you saw, how do you think Hinton ranks in the DT rotation as it stands currently? 

Assuming Dwumfour and Kemp are #1 and #2, somewhere between Jeter and Mason?

Joby

October 2nd, 2019 at 12:53 AM ^

My opinion is no more valid than anyone's here, but I think Hinton is probably DT #5 still for Iowa, but against Illinois, I think he's #4, with an outside chance of #3 depending on Jeter's performance (let's hope Jeter gets healthy, becomes a serviceable player, and obviates the need to put a freshman DT into heavy rotation). If Hinton shows something in his Illinois snaps, I think his RS will get burned. 

MGoStrength

October 2nd, 2019 at 7:41 AM ^

I've been very unimpressed with Jeter so far.  For a 4-star coming out of HS with college ready size and strength, now in his 3rd year at UM, he's surprisingly very meh.  He still doesn't seem to understand leverage and get low and be able to generate a pass rush or move the pocket.  He was counted on to be at least an average B1G DT and he's not.  It's fine for most of the games so long as Kemp and Dwumfor are healthy, but either him or one (or both) of the freshman need to develop to have a chance against the better teams on the schedule (ND, PSU, OSU).

JHumich

October 1st, 2019 at 10:45 PM ^

Thanks for the effort and the detail. Some encouraging things. You covered (appropriately) the Rutgers caveat several times. I'm not sure we learned that much. Also need to remember (for things like quickness off the snap) that when you compare it to the rest of the line, you're comparing to our own 3rd stringers as well.

Joby

October 2nd, 2019 at 1:10 AM ^

I agree with you about the quickness off the snap comparisons to 3rd stringers. However, there were some absolute standards by which his get-off was still impressive. For example, in snap 4, where he's fired out ahead of everyone else, the ball is still in the C's body radius for a shotgun snap; no matter how much faster or slower you are than your linemates, that's pretty good. 

Same thing with the last snap of the game-- I couldn't get a picture of it because I saw it later, and by then the video was gone -- he was firing into the RG while the C was still sweeping the snap back to the QB. He could have mailed it in, but he fired into his guy and made the play himself. 

 

Six snaps will not be revelatory. But they could be promising, and that's what I was looking for here. Hinton looked promising. He reminded me of Willie Henry, though Hinton seemed, to my eye, to know what he was doing a little more than Henry did as a young DT. 

mgogogadget

October 2nd, 2019 at 9:15 AM ^

I wouldn't, and I can't imagine anybody else complaining if Hinton turns out to be a Willie Henry level player. Henry only saw the field for three seasons (freshman redshirt and entered the draft with a year of eligibility). If early returns suggest he might be a higher ceiling player than even Willie Henry was, I hope the coaching strongly considers foregoing Hinton's potential redshirt. Especially considering their current lack of depth along the DL.

MGoStrength

October 2nd, 2019 at 10:16 AM ^

That sounds promising and better than what I've seen from Jeter without looking at his tape.  Hopefully he can develop more so that we can use him more against MSU & OSU towards the end of the season.  Ideally I'd like to see him get more snaps against ND & PSU because I think those lines will abuse Jeter & Mason, but we'll see.

reshp1

October 3rd, 2019 at 2:16 PM ^

I have to disagree with a lot of this. 

Play 1. He gets off very fast and gets some penetration, but gets blasted down the line laterally out of his gap by 2 yards by the RT. This is a -1 in my book, not a +1

Play 2. He does ok and is pretty irrelevant to the play. I'd like to see him fight to the H-back's outside shoulder as the back goes by, but probably isn't going to matter.

Play 3. Agree he holds up to a double, but the free hitter is mostly a dorf on the Center not releasing. He's put Hinton pretty squarely onto the RG and should be free to go get the LB. +1

Play 4. Again, he fires off super hard but gets washed way down the line. The rip and shed is indeed impressive, but he's doing it from a yard left of where he should be. I think this is a -1 again for the same reason as Play 1.

Play 5. Agree with the minus here. He absolutely can not get sealed away like that on a pass rush. The theme is repeated, he gets off super quick and gets penetration but let's his OL control him put him to the wrong side of a block.

Play 6. Agree, his quick step pays off here and takes him to the play. +2

I dunno, I see the potential but he seems like 2018 Dwumfour where he's flashing an elite first step but also is getting blown out of holes a lot. Nice thing is as a true freshman, he's a lot more likely to clean this stuff up, but I can definitely see why the coaches don't quite trust him enough to play him in non-garbage time too.

Hotroute06

October 3rd, 2019 at 3:03 PM ^

All I know is he better turn into a productive player in the future.

If this coaching staff is going to have any hope of turning this program around then we need to hit some home runs with our 5 star recruits.