Student Ticket Sales Aren't Going So Well Comment Count

Ace


If you aren't already, get used to this, and I wouldn't blame the students.

In news that will come as a shock to many, charging students $295 for a home schedule in which the best game is against Penn State and the race for second is between Indiana, Minnesota, and Maryland doesn't go so well—especially a year removed from alienating much of the student fanbase with an unpopular, poorly implemented, and subsequently scrapped general admissions plan.

The deadline for renewing student tickets came and went on Tuesday, and in years past there's never, to my knowledge, been a need to extend the deadline. Student/poster bdsisme noted an email went out today urging some students to renew their tickets for the fifth time—in the three years prior, according to him, there'd been just four combined emails of that nature, which is consistent with how it was when I was in school ('06-'10)—and offering an extension to "Michigan Football SuperFans":

Dear [Student],
Thank you for being a Michigan Football SuperFan! According to our scanned data, you attended 5 or more home football games on-time last season (prior to or at kickoff). As a result, you have been granted SuperFan priority for the 2014 season.
Earlier this week (Tuesday, April 15) was the deadline to renew your season tickets for the 2014 season. However, since you have proven your loyalty this past season, we would like to offer a one-time extension of the season ticket renewal deadline in order for you to continue your devotion as a Michigan Football Superfan.
We know you are busy closing out the Spring semester and may have questions regarding the new seating policy for the 2014 season. By extending the renewal deadline to Friday, April 25, we hope you are now able to guarantee your seat as a Michigan Football Student Season Ticket Holder.

How magnanimous of them.

Comments

joeismyname

April 18th, 2014 at 3:14 PM ^

I went to the university of kentucky and even when they were a low level bowl team for a few years (sound familiar?) Their tickets were only 40 bucks for 8 home games.....hoMe games could include any combo of sec teams and also Louisville and the tix were still 5 per game for students. I know it's still uk football....but throw the students a bone. This year's schedule combined with the recent performance of michigan football can't possibly surpass 150 per student package.

 

colin

April 18th, 2014 at 3:21 PM ^

that price is boggling. i want to say it was $20 per game from '04-'08 or so? it's amazing how fucked up the relationship between the students and AD has gotten since then.

amazing and depressing. 

MGlobules

April 18th, 2014 at 3:24 PM ^

there's a real potential for long-term damage of the brand here. It's not like some other schools didn't once have proud traditions, however much our own blinds us. As with Appy State, merely beating bad foes will not remove the monkey from Michigan's back. It gets to be a situation where people say the word Michigan and then all shake their heads; once this becomes reflex. . . little harder to recover. Brady Hoke is a good guy, but inspiring? 

T

April 18th, 2014 at 3:31 PM ^

Geez.

If attending five games in a year earns you the title of "Michigan Football Superfan," what title is he doling out to the now shat-upon plebes that have been season ticket holders for decades?

dcmaizeandblue

April 18th, 2014 at 3:35 PM ^

I must be one of the few who can't stand watching Michigan football games on TV. Being there is always infinitely better for not having to listen to announcers who don't know anything and being able to yell without fear of my wife reminding me other people live within 1000 feet of us.

But I paid way more than 300 bucks to see these games so I'd take a few tickets at that price point.

pudge44

April 18th, 2014 at 4:10 PM ^

That number has been fictional for a long time, at least by turnstile count. 

Live sports attendance is under all kinds of pressure. The cost and hassles of attending go up every year, while the cost and hassles of watching in ever better quality at home go down.

Having 109,000 seats is a major source of pride, but it's also outdated. There's a reason (outside of Jerry Jones) they don't build NFL stadiums that big, and ballparks and arenas have frequently gone down in size over the last 20 years.

Brandon is pursuing every last nickel of revenue, that he doesn't need, while alienating fans with his "wow factors," and a crappy schedule, all while the team is struggling.

I opted not to renew after having had tickets since 1990 this year. I'm an out of towner who comes in once or twice a year, but I kept the tickets because I always wanted to be able to go to the big game. I sold off the rest on Stub Hub.

Well last year the Notre Dame game cost well north of $300 per ticket because virtually everything else was worth well below face, and even Ohio State only nominally above face. No more. If I want to go to the PSU game this year, I'm pretty confident I can get in for less than $300.

UMMAN83

April 18th, 2014 at 3:52 PM ^

I used to have to hold as extras.  I guess one fans' cloud is strormy and anothers has a silver lining perfect.  Slim that student section way down.

alum96

April 18th, 2014 at 3:58 PM ^

Does anyone have a history of ticket prices over the past 20 years or so?  Just curious - I have no idea how much I paid in the early-mid 90s.

TheNema

April 18th, 2014 at 4:02 PM ^

Could this get DB fired if he sales stay low? I know Brandon doesn't consider the students to be a part of the same institution that he runs, but surely the president and some regents do.

We really need to move on from this guy. He's been a disaster for morale.

alum96

April 18th, 2014 at 4:06 PM ^

IF revenue is affected a lot of things suddenly will be up for review.  Money talks.  UM football is the cash cow for the athletic department.

That said I still think there is a hefty waiting list for normal tickets, so worst case they reduce the size of student section and expand the regular seats.  But who knows what sort of apathy the product on the field has produced in the regular section.  I don't think it would be an issue anytime soon but if this sort of mediocre on field product continues for 4-5 years yes we will have issues.

funkywolve

April 18th, 2014 at 6:36 PM ^

Pretty sure Brian posted last year that everyone who was on the waiting list had an opportunity to purchase tickets, ie - no more waiting list.  As some of the posters who have been season tickets but decided not to renew have posted, they too have received emails indicating UM is extending the deadline to renew season tickets.  That tells me the waiting list for season tickets is 0.  If there were a waiting list the AD wouldn't be extending the deadline to renew season tickets, they'd just start offering the season tickets to the people on the waiting list.

Blue Durham

April 19th, 2014 at 2:59 PM ^

I think that this touches upon a problem with Brandon's approach. It has been said that Harvard treats its students as future donors. When I was at Michigan (and it seems still), this was far from the case, and believe it or not, recognized by many in the faculty. To me, it seems that Brandon's approach is completely in line with current business practices - generate the maximum profit of current operations. But the problem is that the student body under Brandon's tenure is going to tomorrow's donors. Many people donate to the university because of the fond memories they have of the time they spent there. Undoubtedly, football Saturdays have been a part of these memories. Football games were a great time when I was a student because the cost was nominal and the athletic department's approach conveyed the fact that they wanted the students there and have a real good time. Everyone knew they could have charged more, but they chose not to. I am certain that the good will built up from this was returned in spades by future donations by those very students. I think that Brandon's approach, short term, have paid dividends (like drastically cutting Research and Development), but long term will prove a disaster. The pricing over-reach is going to be difficult to recover from for the 2015 season. In Brandon's would, it is very difficult to get customers back once you have lost them. The problem is, there is going to be fall out beyond the athletic department, and the consequences for the university as a whole.

SMJenkins3

April 18th, 2014 at 4:06 PM ^

Isn't this where the change in non-student ticket policy comes back to bite them (based on donations rather than waiting list).  

In the old days, when season tickets were based on a 7+ year waiting list, there is no way you would cancel your season tickets even if that season or a couple of seasons were going to be crappy because you would not be able to get the tickets back for close to a decade.  

But now that they are based on donation amount, what is to stop people from canceling this year, knowing that they have enough donation credits built up to just buy season tickets next year when the schedule is better.  

Seems like the new policy makes the ability to cancel/re-up much easier and really hurts the sales in off years such as this.

Or am I missing something about the priority list/buying process?

Wendyk5

April 18th, 2014 at 4:06 PM ^

Back in the (my) day, tickets sold themselves for a meager $75 for the season. We packed them in like sardines and there were never any empty seats. Two things need to happen: 1) prices need to go back to a realistic place. $295 my ass. 2) we need to play exciting football again which means a) the conference needs to get better (see Big Ten basketball) and b) we need to get better. 

WolvinLA2

April 18th, 2014 at 4:13 PM ^

I know I'll get lambasted for this, but our fanbase bitches more than any in the country, I'd bet.  Our team sucks, our schedules sucks, our athletic director sucks.  You know what?  Our fans suck.  I used to rip on the West Coast fans when I moved out here because of how fair weather they all were.  Now I see my team is just as bad.

SMJenkins3

April 18th, 2014 at 4:16 PM ^

I had the exact same feeling re: West Coast fans when I moved to LA in 2001.  Maybe it is because I have been on the West Coast for so long now or because I am older, but I view our (UM's) fans differently than I did when I first graduated.  When I have gone back for games I thought UM fans were fair weathery

Hail-Storm

April 19th, 2014 at 8:11 AM ^

So because you are rich enough to fly in for a game, you can't understand why students, whose tuition has doubled in ten years, might not be able to justify this cost? I'm sure Bill Gates could wonder why someone would fret over buying a Bugatti for $1 million when he gives away billions. The athletic department has continued to enforce rules on its patrons while making huge ticket price hikes and replacing unique Michigan traditions with sky writing And rock music, which can be experienced at any other sports venue.

Black Socks

April 18th, 2014 at 4:17 PM ^

When I was a student - not that long ago - tickets were $115 / yr.

 

Oh - and one suggestion.  Let students sell their tickets without validation.  Why the hell shouldn't they be able to recover the cost if they so wish?  Used to be that way when I was in school.

bo_lives

April 18th, 2014 at 4:17 PM ^

I got this email earlier and find it quite amusing that the AD thinks they can still entice me to buy tickets at this point. I first got here in '09 and am now a grad student, and all of the factors everyone is mentioning went into my decision to not buy season tickets. In '09 a student season ticket was $200. That's a 50% increase in half a decade. Ridiculous. The general admission thing was a complete fiasco and I simply don't trust the AD after all these spontaneous rule changes. And quite frankly the team has been awful the past two years. To think, I consider myself extremely lucky to have seen ONE win over OSU and ONE win over MSU in the time i've been here. The biggest factor though is probably the schedule. The marquee game is PSU? How thrilling. I do love going to the games though, so I would still have gotten tickets if it weren't for the fact that I know I'll be able to pick up a ticket for each game from another student for practically nothing at all.

alum96

April 18th, 2014 at 4:24 PM ^

I found this from 2001

Tickets were raised across the board- student tickets went UP from $13.50 to $17.50 a game.  Prices had not been raised since 1996.  So as recently as 2000 student prices were $13.50 or for a 7 game set = $94.50

That jumped to $122.50 in 2001

Today's equivalent is $42.14 for a 7 game set

That's a $200 price increase since 2000.... ~$28.50 per game.

Inflation baby?

Real Tackles Wear 77

April 18th, 2014 at 4:34 PM ^

I'm gonna laugh so hard when we win a bunch of games this year, and all the entitled whiners who cancelled their season tickets are clamoring to get them back, and can't. This board represents a particularly fanatic, yet unrealistic, section of the fanbase whose opinions do not reflect Michigan fans as a whole.

mGrowOld

April 18th, 2014 at 4:43 PM ^

Speaking forone of  the group you hope to laugh at I can honestly say I 100% hope you get that chance.  Nothing would please me more as an alum to have this team kick ass and go undefeated this year.  I would be thrilled beyond belief to have the stands full to capacity and the long waiting list ofr season tickets restored due to the excellent product coach Hoke and company put on the field in 2014.  

Here's to your wish coming true.

bo_lives

April 18th, 2014 at 5:02 PM ^

Honestly, I don't "expect" any better than what we've gotten, unlike many of the other posters here who are still convinced that this is just a temporary down period. Personally, I am quite used to Michigan football being crap. My sports conciousness dates back to the 2001 season. U-M has gone 2-11 in The Game since then. In the five years I've been a student here I've watched Sparty win the Big Ten twice and even win the Rose Bowl. Like MGrowOld, nothing would make me happier than to see U-M go undefeated. Even on the miniscually small chance that did happen though, the legendary games wouldn't be the ones being played at Michigan Stadium. The home slate is crap. The point is, I'm not willing to shell out $300 to watch a likely bad U-M team play a bunch of other bad teams.

HELLE

April 21st, 2014 at 10:00 AM ^

The season ticket holders I know haven't considered not renewing their season tickets. This blog is a bad sample of the overall opinion of season ticket holders. I tend to look at the positives. If enough people don't renew, ticket prices won't increase during this period. Also, I'll be able to get all my seats together exactly where I want.

SalvatoreQuattro

April 18th, 2014 at 4:34 PM ^

Rather, he is a business school automaton who knows all about the technical aspects of a corporation, but little or nothing about how to actually run a business and not a corporation.

 

A good businessman would not have schedule Appy State,  permitted this absurdly unbalanced schedule with MSU and OSU, and continued to gouge the fans despite the program bathing in a sea of mediocrity. If Michigan athletics were a comic book  Canham would be Superman and Brandon Bizarro Superman.

 

 

Black Socks

April 18th, 2014 at 4:48 PM ^

Another suggestion - TV timeouts are killing the game.  I'd rather grab a cold one during the five minutes breaks.  It's getting way out of hand.