Spring Football Bits: Prove to Me that You’re Divine Comment Count

Seth

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you can’t throw a rock at Schembechler Hall without hitting someone talking up Bush and Dwumfour [Patrick Barron]

We got a lot of good stuff from over the weekend so let’s do another one of these. Depending on what’s leaking the rest of the week I may or may not get another out before the spring game, so I’ll try to make this one pretty comprehensive.

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Quarterback

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Do you know what people say you are? [Bryan Fuller]

What we want to hear: Hosanna, hey-sanna, sanna sanna ho, sanna hey, sanna ho, sanna!

What we’re hearing: Multiple practice observers believe Patterson is well ahead of the other two, and the gap between him and Peters/McCaffrey is about equal to the gap between those two right now and where they were last year.

First the scouting. Harbaugh on his podcast said Shea Patterson has the best release and that he really shines when going off-script. Insiders are spitting out super-foobally platitudes: He’s “a leader.” He “makes plays.” That jives with his seat-of-the-pants film at Ole Miss and the general “Tate Forcier Except Goes to Class” impression we got from that. The insiders are way more bullish. The “he’s a leader” thing got emphasized by all three of my “SOURCES”, with one saying he’s probably the best offensive juice guy Michigan’s had since Harbaugh got here.

Brandon Peters throws the best ball, which is again something we knew. The biggest mover is Dylan McCaffrey, last year’s scout team player of the year, who benefited the most from Herbert in the offseason, and who gets rave reviews about his pocket command.

As for eligibility, Brian discussed it depth earlier this afternoon. The short version is it’s no surprise that Ole Miss opposed these waivers because the only way to avoid significant sanctions is casting Ohio State* and beating the NCAA’s wisdom throw.

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What it means: The first episode of the Amazon thing was a good reminder that nobody outside of the quarterback room knows the real status of the quarterback battle, so this is guesswork based on lay observations. But nothing can be done to stop the shouting; if every tongue were stilled the noise would still continue—the rocks and stone themselves would start to sing. Unless the NCAA (and again, we’re talking about the NCAA, not some group of responsible, potty-trained adults) buys Ole Miss’s innocence act, Patterson is your presumptive starter. For now.

There’s another clue that this is where the coaches are leaning: one of the points insiders made about is Pep is putting more emphasis on scramble drills. We all noticed last year how, with the notable exception of Grant Perry, Michigan’s receivers would end up standing around after running their routes instead of working back to the QB. If there’s a greater emphasis for the QBs on checking down and improvisation, and a greater emphasis for the WRs on providing those outlets, that kinda sounds like they’re shaping the offense to Shea’s strengths.

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[After THE JUMP: My two offensive lines theory, did you hear about Dwumfour?]

Offensive Line

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a Stueber has appeared [Brandon Justice]

What we want to hear: See, now I’m afraid if I tell you you’ll just say it.

What we’re hearing: I said last week that the Herbert Effect is noticeable, and this week there’s enough of that to make a “more physical” drinking game out of Michigan pressers. Most every individual is mentioned positively.

The inside now seems to be down to one battle. Ruiz and Bredeson are Michigan’s best two linemen, while Onwenu is still just barely holding off Spanellis for right guard.

The outside has little separation between the ones—Juwann Bushell-Beatty and Jon Runyan—and three redshirt freshmen: James Hudson, Chuck Filiaga, and Andrew Stueber. Depending who you ask Hudson or Stueber is the most likely to push JBB out of the left tackle spot and Runyan out of the starting five: “Warinner likes Stuebs,” “Hudson is Michigan’s next NFL left tackle.” Filiaga might be as good as those guys but appears to be among the runny-but-assy-at-passy-blocky types. Everyone agrees JBB is currently the best OT right now, and everyone agrees the battles will extend well into fall camp.

Ulizio remains a ghost.

What it means: I’m going to present my theory here but it’s a crackpot one, and it’s highly likely I’m reading too far into reports that tell us less than we think.

Anyway I think the pickle Michigan’s in with the offensive line is they have some guys who can mash who aren’t capable pass blockers, and some capable pass blockers who can’t mash. That would explain why they’re winning reps but three spots are still up in the air.

There is a likely offensive line configuration that can run power-O (“Drake” they called it last year I think) pretty well. That is JBB-Bredeson-Ruiz-Onwenu-Filiaga. Line that up against an undersized defensive line and it’s the Minnesota game again. The problem is that line can’t pass pro.

If keeping the quarterback upright so he can win some games against decent defenses is the goal, your line is ???-Bredeson-Ruiz-Spanellis-Runyan, where ??? is which ever RS freshman can keep the quarterback clean.

That could be Stueber, with James Hudson giving you a shot at cake and eating cake. Maybe Filiaga does too. The redshirt freshmen are what’s probably holding the coaches back from picking a style and rolling with it. If, say, Hudson pops, or Stueber is consistent enough that they can trust him at left tackle and move JBB back to right, that whittles down the conversation to a single position battle. If none of those things happen soon enough they’ll have to go into the season with JBB at the blindside, despite how that’s gone previously.

Remember though, it’s super rare for a second-year left tackle to be that good—Taylor Lewan spent most of his RS freshman year behind Mark Huyge, QED. The list outside of Michigan are five-star freaks born with left tackle bodies, and Michigan failed to reel in any of the few they’ve had a shot at. The list at Michigan is Jake Long, Grant Newsome, and Jeff Backus. The first overall pick, a literal genius, and a 15-year NFL starter. Not saying Michigan doesn’t have another of those guys; I’m saying it’s rare.

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Running Back & Fullback

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cut. [Patrick Barron]

What we want to hear: BESIDES Higdon and Evans…

What we’re hearing: Higdon 1, Evans 2, and though the offensive line (and Indiana-Rutgers-Minnesota-Maryland) didn’t get enough credit for the Higdon segment of the Amazon show, Michigan feels like they’ve got two of the best backs in the conference.

The battle for third—and with 35-40 carries a game they definitely need a Ty Isaac—rages on. Sam interviewed JayHarbs recently and got us a checkmark for the MGo-O’Maury Samuels scout:

There’s a big difference between being short and being small. He’s rocked up, super quick, great long speed, so if he does get an opportunity to bounce a ball or break one he’s going to be tough to catch.

His growth has been tremendous. I think transitioning last year high school to college he’s grown a lot more comfortable just feeling the defense, feeling the runs, making the appropriate cuts, not being in a hurry. A lot of times super fast guys can have a harder time being patient; he doesn’t struggle with that at all.

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I think he’s a very tentative leader for the third back out of a group that includes Kareem Walker and Kurt Taylor—Tru Wilson and Joe Hewlett were mentioned a little after. That can change by the day and insiders think that means there’s room for at least one of the freshmen to contribute this year. The staff thinks they were all critically underrated by the services, especially Michael Barrett, who could be a Chris Evans type guy as soon as this fall. 

Ben Mason violent metaphor of the week: My new feature this week is I’m going to start Google image searching these and rating them based on the % of pics in the first two rows that seem dangerous. This week’s Ben Mason metaphor is “Bruising man-crusher.”

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So 30%, but I’ll hear your Last Jedi arguments in the comments.

The bad news Mason tore his meniscus this week. That probably puts an end to the two-way talk and unfortunately ruins our bloodsport. The good news is he’ll be back by fall:

"As spring ball was going, he complained a little bit about his knee. His knee just didn't feel right," Harbaugh mentioned regarding the injury. "It'd be better to go in and have surgery on the (meniscus) tear than to keep playing on it," Harbaugh said. "So, he's going to get a meniscus surgery."

Right now, Mason is expected to miss six weeks, meaning he would be back well within time for the 2018 season in September.

What it means: If you watched the Amazon thing and didn’t get excited for Karan and Chris again you’re probably still gazing at Mike Weber’s stars and can’t be helped. Mason will be fine, VanSumeren will probably be his backup, but now’s a good time to see if they can find another backup among Ice Sculpture, Bruised Toe, and whatever clawed that dude’s arm.

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Wide Receivers

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[Barron]

What we want to hear: Huge leaps, more huge leaps.

What we’re hearing: Roundtree is playing a big role in the position coaching, though McElwain is very much involved. My read on the offensive staff is Harbaugh and Pep are the Bo (design, direction) and Hanlon (coordination execution), with McElwain drawing passing coordinator duties and Warinner taking over Drevno’s running game duties.

Anyway nothing’s changed from last time except Tarik Black is now healthy and back where he should’ve been if last year wasn’t a wash. That was good enough to be Michigan’s best receiver last year but Donovan Peoples-Jones was coming from further behind on route running and has made more progress. Those two are getting the most mention and I believe are the starters, with DPJ leading. After that I don’t know where Nico Collins is relative to Crawford and Schoenle because the latter two don’t get mentioned. It could be they’ll battle all year again, or that it’ll be a situational thing.

Slot is still treated like its own position. Grant Perry is dealing with an injury, but they say Oliver Martin now has a good shot of occupying that position when Perry returns.

What it means: Okay I’m not going to fight it. If an NFL beat writer out there wants to get a jump on some 2024 content, “Four of the NFL’s most productive wide receivers were all in the same recruiting class AT THE SAME SCHOOL!” is sure to generate clicks from humans and robot overlords alike.

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Tight Ends

What we want to hear: The TEs were such a big part of the passing game last year—and with Butt before that—it’s not like practice chatter is going to change opinions. Only thing I really wanted out of spring was progress in blocking—a thing they say about tight ends every year anyway—and that Tyrone Wheatley Jr. was really coming on, but he’s hurt. I guess gimme some Moore love and Eubanks hype.

What we’re hearing: TE coach Sherrone Moore talked to Ira this week and had a press conference today. Things from that: Wheatley was having a good offseason before his injury. Eubanks missed part of last year with injury but he’s going to be a weapon on this team. Gentry is taking the next step, may lead the group. A lot of diversity at the position but no Jake Butt.

Via insiders they’re lining up TEs in the slot more, which is another obvious move given the receiverishness of Gentry and Eubanks. NFL offenses these days do this a lot because a big tight end who can run like a receiver is a major matchup problem for the 6’0”/210 lb safeties everyone uses these days to cover slot guys in space and whatnot. Think Tyler Eifert.

We’re not hearing much about blocking, which is weird but not yet alarming.

What it means: A dedicated TE coach is a good development for an offense that relies a lot on its tight ends. Even if they’re trying fewer TRAIN stuff in camp

The Offense in General

What we want to hear: Not losing 9 reps out of 10 to the defense anymore.

What we’re hearing: Balas posted an ITF today with a bunch of tidbits from a practice insider that echoed the meagre stuff I get. I actually saw the original email from the insider Rivals got most of that post from, and since the insider was a bit clearer I’ll just use his words:

Last comment---a yr ago---if UM offense had a successful play against our defense 1 play out of 10 it was a good practice---this yr it is closer to 5 out of 10---although I still think our defense is ahead----but nowhere compared to a yr ago

That’s particularly encouraging considering everyone thinks the defense is going to be better than last year’s.

Also in that email is a thing about how they’re running more power, less “finesse” (read: outside zone), which is to be expected since they replaced an outside zone guy—Frey—with Warinner, and that’s what Harbaugh’s run in the past, and that’s what kind of line Herbert has built at Wisconsin and Arkansas, and that’s what they recruited guys like Mike Onewenu and Cesar Ruiz to do. File under “duh.”

What it means: We didn’t ask how much they win by. I think this supports the picture we get from the position notes. Michigan returns some B+ offensive players in DPJ, Black, Higdon, Evans, Gentry, and McKeon, with Shea Patterson, Ben Mason, Oliver Martin, Nico Collins, Cesar Ruiz, Ben Bredeson, and Nick Eubanks emerging into that level. Add to that a few specialists: McDoom is worthy of a jet package, and they have enough maulers on the offensive line to put six of them out there together a few times a game.

Against weaker defenses—like the Minnesota/Maryland/Rutgers stretch last year—the power running game ought to be more than sufficient. I think what we don’t have yet is an offense that can find other ways to move the ball against defenses with the ability to play our Manball game straight up. If they’re winning half of their reps against Dr. Blitz with a platoon, that’s not enough to sustain drives against other good defenses. You have to win passing reps with the running group, or vice versa. And everyone agrees that will be a work in progress through August.

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Defensive Tackles

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They haven’t said Dwumfour can play linebacker yet but at this point I wouldn’t be entirely surprised if they did [Barron]

What we want to hear: Why are you so hype for Dwumfour really?

What we’re hearing: DWUMFOUR DWUMFOUR DWUMFOUR DWUMFOUR. Also Mone and Solomon but mostly Michael “Not Just Gary’s Friend” Dwumfour. Almost every coach to stand before the media has voluntarily offered Michael Dwumfour as the guy having the best spring, who’s most improved, if they had to single out one guy who’s impressed, or what’s your favorite way to open a type of nut? Ira sat in on Harbaugh’s podcast (that should go up tonight) and got the head coach’s take on why:

  • Awful tough to block
  • Mo Hurst-like
  • It’s Michael’s time.

That’s 3-tech. Nose might be a bigger battle than we realized—the coaches aren’t just talking up Bryan Mone as a good run-stuffer; they’re saying he’s an awesome run-stuffer. Via Sam Webb, Mone has been carrying a lot more muscle and a lot less bad weight.

Also the Aubrey Solomon hype has shifted perceptively from “we want him to…” to “he’s doing…” which is a great sign.

Nothing lately on Carlo Kemp, who’s been playing SDE and DT, or Lo Marshall, who’s the backup at DT. I think that’s the end of guys they expect to be in the rotation.

What it means: Again, nose is a position that requires rotation, so having two guys with different skills is an excellent sign. The coaches are talking in terms of having two deep they can trust like in 2016, and you remember what “like in 2016” is like.

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Defensive Ends

What we want to hear: The best defensive end duo in the country’s backups are the best defensive end backups duo in the country.

What we’re hearing: Gary and Winovich are so good it’s boring, and you’re already aware of the offensive tackle situation, so we are getting more about their team leadership. Nothing new this week on the backups for now because we got all that stuff from Mattison last week. Here’s an MLive link from that which I missed earlier.

What it means: Injuries to the younger guys are probably holding back competition behind the starters, so we’ll have to wait for fall camp to see if there’s a fight for rotation spots. Kemp and Paye have already made it in. And you know about the starters.

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Linebackers

What we want to hear: Something.

What we’re hearing: Nothing. Been quiet on the LB front all of a sudden, though there was plenty last week. The insiders say it doesn’t matter because they’re all good and they’ll play in the rotation. Devin Bush Jr. could make a run at all-American. The race for McCray’s job might come down to Ross or Gil, and Singleton is going to play somewhere.

What it means: Nothing except linebacker is fine so nobody’s keying on it.

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Safety

What we want to hear: Is it Metellus or…

What we’re hearing: It’s been awhile since we got an update on this—last we heard JKP was securing the 2nd free safety spot on the depth chart and Metellus was trying to fend off a serious challenge from J’Marick Woods. Metellus was made available but we only got some stuff about leadership:

The only update recently is I think Brad Hawkins is out of that conversation for now, not for lack of upside but he’s coming from too far behind the guys who got to play there last year.

I did get something on the freshmen: if you guessed they had Sammy Faustin pegged for safety you’re now 2/2 on a “Guess where they put the long and limby DB recruits” trivia, with three questions to go.

Also Khaleke Hudson is ripped and ready for a breakout year.

What it means: Probably fine.

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Cornerbacks

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What do you call something that’s longer than Long
with more vert than Vert? [Fuller]

What we want to hear: More good things about the starters and a certain challenger

What we’re hearing: Sure, that. Sam got into the CBs a bit on his show a few days ago and shared that David Long has improved the most but Hill is a dog, and starting to do Jourdan Lewis things beyond the “he looks like Jourdan Lewis out there” things. Practice insiders agree but add that Ambry Thomas looks to have moved up from a battle with Watson to siphoning first team snaps. “Neither starter can relax.”

What it means: Ambry is a bigger deal than we’re crediting. You can’t get through a whole season with two corners for one, and between the comments last offseason from Zordich and the waving about effort this year I think either Hill and Long were acting like their jobs were set in stone, or perhaps the coaches just worried they thought that. Anyway a hard challenge from a borderline five star a year younger is insurance and a kick in the ass to get better, where better is taking care of that one inch that opposing quarterbacks put a ball once or twice last year (don’t tell Hill and Long you guys but they’re really good!)

Comments

Chiwolve

April 10th, 2018 at 7:38 PM ^

Never understood why teams don't rotate OL more frequently. I wouldn't mind seeing the mashers (i.e., JBB, Onwenu) get the lion's share of the work and then change it up with pass pro specialists (i.e., Spanellis, Runyan) on clear passing downs. This assumes, that the pass pro from the mashers is not so terrible that we cannot run simple pass plays / play-action on 1st and 2nd downs. 

Indy Pete - Go Blue

April 10th, 2018 at 8:03 PM ^

The most confident sounding and soberly opmistic voice is always the right voice in the spring. Seth, you win spring game analysis.  That was a fun read.  It is hard to not be optimistic about this team.  The question marks @ QB and tackle are still substantial, but the unquestionable talent @ QB is very reassuring.  It comes down to Warriner's ability to identify and develop the right players at tackle.  If we get solid play there, we will have a chance in every game.  We could not say the same last year (Penn State).  I am bullish on this team, and particularly bullish about the near future of Michigan football in upcoming seasons.

SkyPanther

April 10th, 2018 at 9:14 PM ^

"Warinner taking over Drevno's running game duties"

I remember very well how Alabama couldn't stop Ezekiel Elliott in the 2015 Semi-final. He ended up with 230 yards.

video:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioIYHoa-Cts

Then, 2 weeks later, in the National Championship, as the game wore on, Ohio St began to dominate Oregon so badly Marcus Mariota was on the sidelines crying. Ezekiel Eliott ended up with 246 yards in the game.

video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_rxv53l6pU

I'm happy and relieved to see Ed Warinner coaching the OL and running game.

Will we see a bit of Ezekiel Elliott in Karan Higdon this year?

 

growler4

April 10th, 2018 at 10:11 PM ^

Seth, you mention how, last year, the receivers' response to a QB scramble was inadequate, largely standing around. You note that they are getting coached up on that now and infer that that means that the staff is prepping for Patterson to be the starting QB.

Well ... you may be right. Or, it could mean that they are teaching skills to the receiver group, and that they may anticipate problems again with OL pass protection leading to any QB running for his life on occasion and maybe more often than we would like.

jbrandimore

April 10th, 2018 at 11:41 PM ^

Last years offense was winning only 10% of plays against the defense last year? Seeing the results on the field one wonders how they got over 5%, but that’s not the point I’m making. Did anyone - especially on this blog warn us that we had one of the worst offenses in Division 1? Nooooo. What were we told? Our freshman WRs are so impressive they are going to put the lie to the rule of thumb that freshman WRs can’t play, JOK is awesome and pushing for the starting job and making plays all over the place. The zone blocking being installed by Frey is bearing fruit. Peps passing schemes are gonna make us forget Jedd. We have a couple guys who can replace Butt. No one warned us the above was 100% horseshit. So what are we to make of this update? I don’t know but after that complete bill of goods we were sold last spring, I’m not buying in until I see it on the field. Neg away.

1VaBlue1

April 11th, 2018 at 8:53 AM ^

He doesn't have a link, because he's full of the horseshit he bought.  And I have no idea why he has upvotes, because he didn't say anything that was true.  What he neglects to say is that everything mentioned on this site is traced back to a coach quote, or labeled with a 'my take' type of statement.  Anyone that would take predictions based on this site (or ANY other site, for that matter) as gospel is a complete moran.

Take the information presented, understand that it's Spring hyperbole presented by teams/coaches all over the land, and go from there.  How anyone could take this update as plain fact that WILL happen is beyond me.  Just stoopid people being stoopid, I guess...

pescadero

April 11th, 2018 at 11:01 AM ^

WR:

"That might not be a bad bet. DPJ Is the consensus #1 WR prospect, and over the last five years the #1 WR has averaged 57 catches and nearly 700 yards.

While DPJ's limited route tree in high school is a minor drag on his freshman potential, he has the work ethic and mind to refine quickly."

"The main complication with projecting his freshman season is Black. Pencil him in for 40-some catches"

 

QB:

"RATING: 4.5."

"That should set the stage for Speight to meaningfully improve on his numbers and emerge into the Big Ten's best passing quarterback....

It says here that Speight hits 8.5 YPA and gets more attempts, allowing him to challenge for first team All Big Ten and mount an assault on various bits of the Michigan passing record book. He will have a decision to make about the NFL draft."

 

 

 

 

Seth

April 11th, 2018 at 3:47 PM ^

Yeah those articles paint a happier picture than what we got, but not a completely different picture.

I remember going on Spath's podcast and saying the OL, and particularly pass protection, was in bad shape. Our HTTV predictions were all 8-4. I'd say the shape of things was correct with the big difference being quarterback. It's easy to criticize that in hindsight but based on Speight's 2016 and Harbaugh's track record with QBs it was reasonable to expect a decent year from him and an all-B1G season, especially given the dearth of QBs last year in the conference.

The other thing we got wrong was Frey would really help the OL. He's an ass kicker and had a great track record. Since he took a move up after the season and he only got one year with those players, it's hard to judge that.

I mean, did you want a preview that said right tackle will still be a carousel by Ohio State and get Speight and Peters both injured and John O'Korn would be worse than he was against Indiana in Michigan's three most crucial games? How accurate are we supposed to be?

Spring hype is almost always postiive. It's the name of the game. I tried to sort through the glowing information I get and put some sense into it. If you came away thinking we've got a top 10 offense either I failed at conveying we don't or you failed at reading comprehension.

pescadero

April 12th, 2018 at 7:38 AM ^

His complaint:

"The offense was bad, and no one warned us about it - particularly this blog"

 

Your response:

"Spring hype is BS, and we painted an even rosier picture than what we were getting from insiders"

 

You pretty much confirmed and validated his complaint.

 

"How accurate are we supposed to be?"

As accurate as you can be. Not "paint(ing) a happier picture than what we got".

 

 

Seth

April 14th, 2018 at 11:30 AM ^

Accurate as I can be, is just that. Every one of these I've led off with the caveats that this is spring and the information we get is naturally going to be positive because the people in a position to release information have every reason to be positive and can get in trouble or lose access if they're not.

I want to share what I get. What I get is going to lean positive. I can keep putting warnings on it till I'm blue in the face, or I can withhold half of what I get because it's too happy. I'd prefer to treat the readers like they're intelligent enough to take things in context, especially after a reminder.

AZBlue

April 11th, 2018 at 10:44 AM ^

247 Michigan podcast (last week - near the end) to get Steve Lorenz’ opinion of the “wait until we see it” crowd as I cannot do it justice.

As for the specifics of your post - this blog does not have a true insider in the program unlike 247, Scout, Rivals. If others (or UMBig11 here) knew of the concerns they hid it well.

Receivers - The sentiment was that at least one would break the Freshman mold to have a good season. They were convinced it was probably DPJ (wrong) but Black was on his way pre-injury.

QB - It seemed safe to assume that Speight would not significantly regress after the prior year, so O’Korn pushing him was a good thing. Obviously the seeming regression by Speight makes the whole premise wrong. We were assured via the coaching staff that Wilton performed much better in other practices than what we saw at the Spring game.

TE - I thought the group did very well.

All comes down to QB. —- If you watch the Amazon series, it is clear (to me at least) that M really was let down by the QB position last year. Some of that is coaching, but you could sense the concern, worry, and frustration by Pep and JH in the QB play. It seemed that Peters was moving past first-time starter learning curve into possibly a serviceable QB until he got knocked out at Wisky.

JFW

April 11th, 2018 at 9:50 AM ^

we were losing to our own D 90% of the time, and lost several games (MSU, Wisci) by close margins, and this year the O is going 50% with the D... maybe we win those games (or, maybe the D is worse. But I'm not going to think about that...)

blueinbeantown

April 11th, 2018 at 10:59 AM ^

I was hoping to hear McCaffery has clearly passed Peters and pushing Patterson.  I have a sneaky feeling that OL is going to be better than we thought.  Remember a couple years ago the Newsome - Bredeson debate for LT?  Newsome starts and pre-injury is looking like the next great M LT heading to the 1st round.  Maybe someone can solve the OL issue by finding the magic cure to get back a pre-injury Newsome back!   The 2 big freshman stories to watch in camp with McGrone pushing for playing time and Van Sumeran.

 

Ziff72

April 11th, 2018 at 11:31 AM ^

I like this kid before he has even steps on campus.   He's all in for the team recruiting and getting ready for the season, but unless he's Lawrence Taylor reanimated he's not seeing the field.  Linebacker is super talented  and stacked with depth.   Look for Mcgrone in a year or 2 to dominate the Big10.