MGoPodcast 12.19: Stops Comment Count

Seth January 24th, 2021 at 4:39 PM

1 hour and 12 minutes

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1. The Shutdown

starts at 1:00

Two weeks(?) without Michigan athletics because somebody wasn’t quarantined after coming home from the U.K. We discuss why it was necessary to shut down, how it went down, and how it might play out. We’re just baffled that this failure was allowed to happen.

The rest of the writeup and the player after The Jump]

2. The Last Game

starts at 18:50

Ugly game wasn’t that ugly unless you’re talking about Purdue’s shooting stats, which were a combination of Dickinson dominating Williams and the Boilers not having a Sasha Stefanovich to convert threes. It’s right that they went 2/18 because look how many of those were from terrible shooters. Seth likes that you can put Austin Davis out there against virtually anybody and score one for one, which eats up important minutes when you’re up by 11.

3. WBB and Hockey

starts at 43:48

Naz goes off for 50, brings Michigan back from down 16 but they lose because they’re out a Brown and the other can’t hit her threes. Nobody scored past the top four. Hockey looks good on NBC, came out on fire, can’t get a call.

4. Hot Takes and Warinner React

starts at 59:22

Seth is happy to have DeBord back. Think there’s some other shoe that dropped because no way you get rid of a guy like Ed Warinner on purpose. Offensive line coach and strength coach are coordinator-level positions.

MUSIC:

  • “Wait"—M83
  • “Sonny’s Lament”—Orgone
  • “Selfish Dreas”—The Rural Alberta Advantage
  • “Across 110th Street”
THE USUAL LINKS:

I want to know his hat size so bad.

Comments

1VaBlue1

January 25th, 2021 at 8:23 AM ^

If you get your head out of 'The Hill', you would've learned that the 'starting from scratch' comments were about Biden's team taking over - because there was no transition.  Instead of 'transitioning', the outgoing administration delayed, hemmed, hawed, and obstructed - everything BUT participating in a transition from one team to another.

The Hill is a right wing rag just like CNN is a left wing rag, stay away from the one-sided 'news' outlets.

swdodgimus

January 25th, 2021 at 10:13 AM ^

The readership of the Hill is considered moderate (closer to AP than something like Fox or Drudge Report). I'm referencing a journalism study which states "most commonly named sources classified by ideology" on pg. 60).

https://knightfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/American-Views-…

Their editorials feature more conservative writers, but their straight reporting is closer to AP, which is the standard of non-partisanship in the industry. The story I referenced was simply a news story.

Also, CNN (your example of a liberal site) interpreted Fauci's comments in the same way.

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/president-joe-biden-news-01-21-2…

IheartMichigan

January 25th, 2021 at 12:20 PM ^

Biden has a plan though, no transition was needed in his mind.

"We're eight months into this pandemic, and Donald Trump still doesn't have a plan to get this virus under control.

I do."

- Joe Biden, 10/15/2020 20:11:00

"There is nothing we can do to change the trajectory of the pandemic in next several months."

- Joe Biden, 1/22/2021 15:20:00

crg

January 24th, 2021 at 8:02 PM ^

Is there an "appeal" process here - meaning can the university work withe state health department to revise this shutdown in a more targeted/logical manner?  It just seems rather heavy handed and arbitrary - how much actual interaction do these programs/staff have with each other?  It was stated the 15 people are known or suspected to be positive out of 2200+ individuals... how was this quarantine decided?  Did the state ask for input from university health officials and others who know the situation on the ground?

Also, this variant is already being detected across the state and the nation... which means it has already spread just about everywhere since the test for this variant highly lags the disease distribution.  If a student-athlete on campus is positive (really more than that), shouldn't all in-person activity on campus but shut down *if* there are to be such greater measures for this variant as opposed to all other strains of sars-covid?  And what about businesses and other activities in the county?  How serious are these extra-measures to be... at least for non-student athletes?

Seth

January 24th, 2021 at 8:08 PM ^

We learned after recording that it's actually a state guideline, and that the university and athletic department are merely following the state Health Department's recommendations. Now, I don't think they're particularly ignorable recommendations, and I don't believe for a second that Michigan would buck them. But very technically, I think UM officially gets to make the call.

Seth

January 25th, 2021 at 8:28 AM ^

I've learned a little bit more about the breakout since last night. Right now they are following the state recommendation to shut down the entire department and everybody have to quarantine. Remember the whole problem with this virus is it has a tremendous ability to hide dormant in a body before you can detect it. Protocols designed to be reasonably safe failed us, because this one time the disease stayed dormant longer than it normally does, and 2 people were infected before a test came back.

There are way too many connections between teams to consider any team safe.

As we said on the podcast, academic staff, laundry staff, training staff, and social connections run across teams, and the latter are particularly worrisome. The sarcastic joke that keeps going around between people in athletics is "Good thing athletes don't date each other." Cut off from campus the athletic department has been even more of a High School clique than usual. Give this virus 5 days in that community and it could be anywhere, and we won't know for some time. 

gremlin3

January 24th, 2021 at 11:34 PM ^

Don't know about you, but I'm pretty fucking pissed at the selfish asshole who decided to come back from there (where they've been under lockdown since before Christmas) and not take their own initiative and get tested.

1VaBlue1

January 25th, 2021 at 8:28 AM ^

One wouldn't normally get tested without reason, so if he (she?) felt fine and didn't have a fever why get a test?  The bigger problem, though, is the lack of quarantining himself.  Returning from overseas requires a federally mandated self-quarantine period.  Apparently, that didn't happen and its totally - 100% - on the individual.  And, if that is the actual thing that happened (failure to self-quarantine after international travel), that person should be looking at legal issues.

1VaBlue1

January 25th, 2021 at 8:37 AM ^

So there was some talk about a failure to quarantine someone after international travel.  I believe it was Brian (though it could've been Ace) that wondered, rather vehemently, why nobody - federal, state, county, or school authorities quarantined the guy.  The answer is because that would be unlawful imprisonment.  The mandated quarantines are all self-quarantines, and they do not involve the government locking you in some facility.

Any quarantine action relies on the integrity of the individual involved.  If someone says 'yeah, sure, I'm self-isolating', and then goes out to Target to get some chips, well...  Not much any 'authority' can do about that.

Seth

January 25th, 2021 at 8:56 AM ^

It was Brian but I'll admit my own knowledge of border quarantines isn't much greater than "has seen Godfather II."

I think it's reasonable to wonder why protocols weren't in place for international travel, if protocols were followed, and if so why did they fail. Was it a reasonable level of risk and we got unlucky or were the protocols very light and unenforced, or were the protocols fine and an individual broke them anyway (for example--and I'm just making this up--if Patient Zero's girlfriend snuck into quarantine for a night then exposed her team).

There's always some explanation that made sense in somebody's head. On the surface though it's hard to explain how someone could return from the UK in mid-January 2021 and cause an outbreak.

Preacher Mike

January 25th, 2021 at 10:57 AM ^

Everyone needs to be careful, responsible, and considerate. Observing distancing, masking, and quarantine guidelines help keep the case numbers manageable and give the most vulnerable who do get it the best chance to survive. But all the finger pointing, blaming and shaming, and political activism around this disease is not helping.

The problem is the virus, not your neighbor. Until 90% of the population gets vaccinated, there is no way, short of literally locking everyone in their homes and not allowing any social contact for months, to eradicate this disease. Even people following all the rules and guidelines can still get the disease and unwittingly spread it to others. Testing is not fast enough nor accurate enough, even if people are getting tested every day, to catch every case and prevent spread. It can reduce the possibility of spread, but it cannot stop spread. And quarantining is only as good as the timeliness with which people learn about their exposure. If someone only finds out they were exposed 5-7 days after the fact, that can already be too late to stop a person from unknowingly spreading the virus to others.

This disease is going to spread. We need to do what we can to slow it down, but accepting that perfect compliance is no guarantee and that righteous indignation helps nothing is something we should try to promote. Accept that there will be disappointments, hold yourself accountable, keep your priorities about what is truly important in order, and support your neighbors as best you can even if you don't always agree or approve of their choices. Reasonable people have honest differences about what the best course of action is, and can look at the same data while coming to intelligent and well reasoned different conclusions about what sacrifices are worth making and what tradeoffs we should accept.

The truth is no one has a monopoly on wisdom or really knows the right answer to this problem. So some humility and grace by everyone would be a welcome approach for all of us to start using a bit more.

Needs

January 26th, 2021 at 10:18 AM ^

Is UM really still not testing everyone who accesses university buildings on at least a weekly basis with a daily screener about health and travel?  That's been the only thing that seems to have prevented broadscale outbreaks at universities (it's what my institution's done and it has so far prevented any big clusters, the highest we've had is 100 cases in a 2 week period out of 20000 tests during that time period).