Now for a game of keepaway. [Bryan Fuller]

Big Ten Scheduling, Showcase Proposal Redux Comment Count

Seth May 16th, 2023 at 12:18 PM

The conference is meeting this week to figure out its 2024+ scheduling. It seems they're already leaning towards doing away with divisions, and now only need to decide how to protect rivalries. So let's discuss the different ways they might do things, what's best for fans, the conference, and Michigan.

DIVISIONS?

Seem to be a dead letter. The result of the February meeting established two core tenets for their scheduling, in order:

  1. Do whatever we can to get teams in the (12-team) College Football Playoff.
  2. Every four-year player should get to play on every B10 campus at least once.

This was well-received, and means they are almost certainly heading towards a divisionless system with a championship game. Removing divisions effectually takes Big Ten teams from their current six protected rivalries to between one and three, freeing up those games to see the rest of their conference opponents.

CHAMPIONSHIP GAME? SHOWCASE?!?!

Now would be a good time to implement my alternate conference Plus-one plan. To reiterate, the most basic version of the plan is you play the top three conference games that weren't played and determine the champion by final record. Benefits:

  1. It's two more good games to broadcast.
  2. A clearer and more deserving conference champion.
  3. No chance of replaying Michigan-Ohio State a week after The Game.

When I presented the plan I ran through every year since 2008, and most of the time the Showcase 1 game was the de facto conference championship and matched the same two teams who played. Without divisions they're also probably stuck playing these at neutral sites, which I don't like, but is probably more palatable to the conference.

[After THE JUMP: What the rivalries would look like, what's the future?]

Would they do it? I've had some word that it's been passed along, but I'm not holding my breath. Dochterman is an Iowa guy with access to Gary Barta, and asked him about it.

“You can debate whether or not the championship game is better or worse, but we haven’t had any serious discussions about eliminating it,” Barta said. “First of all, we just got it going. It’s been selling out. It has financial ramifications if we were to decide that. But we haven’t had strong, serious conversations about that.”

That statement reeks of conservatism, but rank cowards is what we're dealing with. These are the kinds of guys who need to experience a disaster before they react to the potential for one. If 10-2 Ohio State that just got trounced in Columbus wins a close, controversial victory over 11-1 Michigan a week later that knocks Michigan off the Playoff host line, AND there's a huge backlash, they're probably still not going to care because that game will get a ton of viewership and pack the building. The Wisconsin-Nebraska game in 2012 (when PSU and OSU were disallowed) was the only time in the B10CG's history there was any significant momentum to fix it, and even then they went with imbalanced divisions.

There's also a question of motivations. Iowa is one of the more likely schools to sneak into a championship game with an 8-4 record and pull off an upset, but that's also most of the Big Ten. This creates a problem similar to the one that's ruined the college hockey postseason where the majority of teams' best shot at winning a championship is to increase entropy. It's one thing for us to talk about producing a better champion, and quite another to convince the dozen or so Big Ten schools that aren't likely to be 12-0 at the end of November to erase their best shot at hardware.

PROTECTED RIVALRIES?

There will be. The problem is rivalry relationships are as convoluted as a third grader explaining class besties.

School Main Rival 2nd Rival 3rd Rival
Illinois Northwestern What's an Illibuck? We hate Michigan.
Indiana Purdue    
Iowa Minnesota Wisconsin Nebraska
Maryland Penn State Rutgers  
Michigan Ohio State Michigan State Minnesota
Michigan State Michigan    
Minnesota Wisconsin Iowa  
Nebraska [Oklahoma] [Colorado]  Iowa
Northwestern Illinois    
Ohio State Michigan Penn State Illinois
Penn State WE DON'T HAVE ANY! (is what we say to make Pitt mad)
Purdue Indiana Illinois  
Rutgers Penn State Maryland  
UCLA USC  [Cal]  
USC UCLA  [Notre Dame]  
Wisconsin Minnesota Iowa  

I used gray for the rivalries that aren't strictly necessary, and added brackets to out-of-conference ones. For our purposes, Ohio State and Michigan State are safe. Via Scott Dochterman of The Athletic($), there are three proposals on the table right now:

  • Protect 3: Three permanent rivalries, presumably as fair as possible.
  • Protect 2: Two permanent rivals.
  • Flex: One to three permanent rivals.

Let's discuss each in turn.

The Protect 3 situation is favored by ADs and schedule nerds, because the math works out smoothly with a 16-team conference. With nine-game conference schedules this leaves each team free to play exactly half of the remaining teams in the league, IE you get a home and home with every other conference team every 4 years. This is just a hastily made example of how that might shake out:

School Rival Rival Rival
Illinois Northwestern Purdue Ohio State
Indiana Purdue Nebraska Northwestern
Iowa Nebraska Wisconsin Minnesota
Maryland Penn State Ohio State Rutgers
Michigan Ohio State Minnesota Michigan State
Michigan State UCLA Northwestern Michigan
Minnesota Wisconsin Michigan Iowa
Nebraska Iowa Indiana UCLA
Northwestern Illinois Michigan State Indiana
Ohio State Michigan Maryland Illinois
Penn State Maryland Rutgers USC
Purdue Indiana Illinois Wisconsin
Rutgers USC Penn State Maryland
UCLA Michigan State USC Nebraska
USC Rutgers UCLA Penn State
Wisconsin Minnesota Iowa Purdue

As you can see, this system is a lot dirtier in practice than in theory, creating plenty of odd bedfellows (in gray), and despite my efforts to make sure nobody's locked in with two of Michigan/OSU/USC, plenty of competitive imbalance (compare the path of Rutgers to that of Northwestern).

The Protect 2 is a simplicity's sake compromise that would break up a few rivalries, and create a few more odd couplings with schools that don't really have a second bae. It also creates a little bit of imbalance, because each Big Ten team would be playing two of their non-rivals in an extra two games. Sample schedule:

School Rival Rival   1/2 Rivals
Illinois Northwestern Ohio State Indiana, Wisconsin
Indiana Purdue Rutgers Illinois, Nebraska
Iowa Nebraska Wisconsin USC, Minnesota
Maryland Rutgers Penn State UCLA, Michigan State
Michigan Ohio State Michigan State Minnesota, USC
Michigan State UCLA Michigan Northwestern, Maryland
Minnesota Wisconsin Nebraska Michigan, Iowa
Nebraska Iowa Minnesota Wisconsin, Indiana
Northwestern Illinois Purdue Michigan State, UCLA
Ohio State Michigan Illinois Purdue, Penn State
Penn State USC Maryland Rutgers, Ohio State
Purdue Indiana Northwestern Ohio State, Rutgers
Rutgers Maryland Indiana Penn State, Purdue
UCLA Michigan State USC Maryland, Northwestern
USC Penn State UCLA Iowa, Michigan
Wisconsin Minnesota Iowa Nebraska, Illinois

They can balance this better than the above (look at Purdue!!!) but competitive balance is working against the goals of the TV execs who want to get USC-Ohio State and USC-Michigan happening as soon as possible.

Finally there's a Flex model on the table. The upshot is you can make every school happy, if that school knows what it wants. This also maximizes flexibility, which is at a premium as they try to schedule around competitive imbalances, or try not to make a team fly out to California more than once per year. It's also a headache in practice, and invites all kinds of input that they don't necessarily want.

I don't know if there is a "best" but I also don't think the parameters we'd use to define that are necessarily what the stakeholders want. The web of wants is tangled indeed:

  • TV Execs are the Big Ten's most important constituency. They want the biggest games: Michigan-Ohio State, USC-Michigan, USC-Ohio State, Ohio State-Penn State, USC-Penn State, Michigan-Penn State, Michigan-Ohio State again in the championship, and then Michigan-Ohio State a third time for the tiebreaker.
  • ADs want three or more protected rivalries because they can lock in their most lucrative opponents, and they can know schedules well in advance. If you're in charge of Iowa's budget, you don't want to lose any of Minnesota, Wisconsin, or Nebraska, ever.
  • Coaches favor more diversity in scheduling, because that expands their footprints. As soon as they heard about USC and UCLA they pulled up a list of SoCal players they could promise a couple of home games before their families. There are also a few coaches—not publicly because it gets the fans upset—fighting their ADs to get out of tertiary rivalries, or create easier schedules.
  • Some lesser programs want the bigs. Rutgers wants Penn State every year, and would love to lock in Michigan and Ohio State if they could. Those games sell a lot of tickets, and every game is a potential upset that can fuel you for years to come.
  • Bigger programs want the smalls. Michigan might go for the Rutgers deal because getting locked in with Ohio State/Penn State/USC would be a hellishly hard road to the championship. Wisconsin led the call for regional divisions because they benefited from the competitive imbalance. Last round MSU told the Big Ten they have a deep connection with Northwestern.
  • Haters want tougher schedules for their rivals. If you're not trying to find a competition angle, you're not playing the game. Michigan and Ohio State are probably both pointing at each other as the perfect pairing for 2024-'25 USC, and non-M/OSU teams are pointing at the only programs to win a conference title since 2015 for a little "fairness" correction.
  • School administrators & ADs want travel minimized. A modern athlete can handle two trips to the West Coast, but it's up to the schools to cover the travel costs, and those add up quickly. And funny as it may sound, there is a real desire among these particular decision-makers to at least look like they care about pulling students out of class or exhausting them on red-eyes. USC and UCLA have no choice, but no Eastern Time Zone team is going to play both of them on the road the same year.

Nobody there really cares what the fans want, but that's also because a lot of "what fans want" is just another term for what the speaker wants. In general fans care about playing the big rival and playing other schools in their proximity. Of course they also live all over the place, so "in my proximity" could mean Northwestern or Rutgers or UCLA or anything. Also fans want crazy things sometimes. I ran a Twitter poll yesterday, which isn't at all scientific (my followers lean historical and nerdy), but confirmed my guess that we are so far from a consensus that it ended with a literal tie:

Also 1 in 5 of my respondents wanted Penn State, without consideration for how that would play in schedule difficulty. A lot of "Other" was Northwestern (Twitter only allows 4 answers) because like the rest of the Big Ten we have a lot of grads in northern Chicago.

Worryingly, there's a lot of talk from [the reporters with the most access to] some schools about Michigan not having a Power-5 nonconference opponent in 2022 or 2023, and none that mention Michigan has Texas and Oklahoma series scheduled for the four years this round of scheduling will cover. One of those talking was Dochterman in the afore-linked article, who hammered the point with no mention of the upcoming behemoths or the cancelation of UCLA. If their mouthpieces are voicing it on Day 1, you know this is a talking point inside the meetings, which means they're trying to convince themselves locking Michigan in with USC is somehow fair.

At the same time they're telling Brett McMurphy that the league is considering rescinding its Power 5 nonconference requirement set to go into effect in 2024.

So Michigan should be punished for playing UConn and ECU instead of UCLA, but now that the rest of us have to play UCLA we shouldn't have to schedule other teams like them. Also Michigan should still have to play USC and Oklahoma and Texas, and my alumni will kill me if we don't get Northwestern and Rutgers every year. The takeaway should be that the schools are mostly there to get the best deal for themselves.

WHY DID YOU SAY THE MSU GAME IS SAFE?

Note that none of the scenarios above are "Keep 1" which is is the *only* scenario in which Michigan State gets left out. State has as many votes here as Michigan, and would raise maximum hell if denied their one actual rivalry.

On the Michigan side, MSU is a schedule anchor that allows them to charge more than all but a few schools for season tickets on even years. I've been tracking the ticket market for years. The way Michigan prices their season tickets is when you add up the license fee and and all of the face values it equals the price of the same tickets on the secondary market. For appearances, they hide that by listing the face value of smaller games well above their market value, and put "$100" or some such on the MSU or OSU tickets. In reality you're paying ~$250 to $300 for that ticket, which is what those tickets cap out at on the secondary market. A PSU ticket, for comparison, can usually be had for $100 any day before the game. Would USC command enough to make up that $17 million difference? Probably that first time. But from Michigan's perspective why take on another OSU-caliber opponent when your fans (and MSU's) will pay that for MSU?

The one-sided movement towards making MSU just another game—and this includes a handful of regents—barely existed until last year's tunnel incident. I get it, because instead of enjoying a physical, emasculating, comprehensive blowout that included Sean McDonough spinning "trouble with the snap" back on them, thinking about that game all year just makes me angry. In the seven months since, how much of the discourse has been gaslighting over tunnel size, skipping, and Washtenaw County's prosecutor, versus remembering a guy did this?:

They are internet trolls the program, and "Why feed the trolls" is a valid question. Unfortunately Michigan's answer is the same as social media sites that do everything they can to counter their users' content curation: If it makes you angry, you engage. MSU stays.

HOW LONG WILL THIS SCHEDULE LAST?

For now they're only focused on a four-year plan, IE from 2024 to 2027. It probably won't even last that long, because the latest round of expansion has destabilized the ACC, and they have some properties the Big Ten and SEC would both be interested in adding. Note that any school they add would have to bring in more than the current Big Ten mean which Washington and Oregon did not. Ross Dellinger on that:

To expand again, more broadcasting dollars (at least $200 million a year) were needed to assure that school distribution remained whole. The most likely broadcasting dollars would come from ESPN or streamers Amazon and Apple. Neither happened.

“It was ‘Show me the money!’ and there wasn’t any money,” says one Big Ten administrator.

Based on 2021 revenues, the non-SEC/B10 teams that could make sense are Notre Dame (obviously), FSU, Miami (YTM) and Clemson. Virginia and UNC are in the ballpark, and the latter brings along Duke, the only school with a basketball value approaching that of a medium football school's.

It's too hard to guess how things will all work out with any kind of accuracy, but I do not believe the landscape can remain what it looks like now for more than four or five years. The ACC is falling apart as we speak, with the football schools demanding things the other schools would never go for, while also examining their exit strategies. Pac and Big12 remnants are trying to figure out what their next move is after losing their respective anchor programs, with the Pac10Again in deeper trouble because of the state of their media rights deal. Further out, it's only a matter of time, whether by courts, labor movement, or some conference jumping in on competitive grounds, before players are signed to contracts with some kind of TV revenue-sharing, which is why all of this realignment is happening now.

We're already historically overdue for another top division breakaway, and that process has likely been accelerated by the B12/ACC/Pac remnants, since those conferences need to lock in their major statuses before a ConfUSA or AAC shows they're competitively equal. Best guess is by 2030 there's a new top division of ~60 teams broken into thirds between the Big Ten, SEC, and some Pac/B12/ACC leftovers. The latest talk suggests FSU, Miami, and Notre Dame to the Big Ten; and Clemson, Virginia, UNC, and Duke to the SEC. It all sounds insane, but the oceans are battlefields.

Comments

Wolverine15

May 16th, 2023 at 12:32 PM ^

Something I simply don't understand from a football perspective is the complete disregard for the benefit of winning your conference on playoff seeding. USC (assuming they could win the Pac 12) would be much better off getting a top 4 seed and bye than getting an at-large as, let's say, a third place Big Ten team. Same logic goes for Texas, whose chances of winning the Big 12>>>chances of winning the SEC. 

Seth

May 16th, 2023 at 12:41 PM ^

Because the conference payout is substantially more. From that FootballScoop article I linked:

The ACC saw Florida State ($78.7), Miami ($74.2) and Clemson ($68.9) as its top generators in the latest filings.

In addition to seeing three of its members top $100 million, the Big Ten also had Wisconsin ($88.6m) and Iowa ($86.2m) among the elite revenue-producing football programs in college athletics.

itauditbill

May 17th, 2023 at 9:34 AM ^

Sadly as the unsupported minor league to the NFL college football is just like the NFL. We are just finally seeing the changes to make it line up with what it is. All of the other major sports allow their players to literally spend no more than a year in college or less if they just want to go pro. Only in the NFL was there no actual way to earn money legally and pursue what one truly wanted to do. The college education is definitely useful for some, but I wonder how many would rather just play football and get paid? 

Baseball is more pure, but there's very little money there in college, (which makes it more pure).

 

ERdocLSA2004

May 17th, 2023 at 10:48 AM ^

I think you, like many, are underestimating the influence of it still being a college sport, NOT a minor league NFL.  I think players should be able to go pro when they are 18.  Colleges and the NCAA need to stay relevant, and if that means allowing players to go pro straight out of highschool or play by our rules in college, so be it.  
 

The current system is going to cannibalize itself until it becomes an unrecognizable college sport.  When that happens, people will lose interest.  Lose the ties to education, school pride, and some degree of amateurism and soon it will be the XFL.  Time to pull on the reigns and get some more structure in college football.  

Lastly, 1 protected rival would be enough for me.  Even though it’s not going to happen.   

lilpenny1316

May 16th, 2023 at 12:50 PM ^

Aren't MSU and PSU in the same boat? If PSU loses both UM and OSU, they lose their two biggest money makers on the schedule. I don't know if USC or UCLA truly fits the bill. If MSU must be our anchor, PSU should be OSU's anchor. Personally, I'd rather have UCLA than MSU, but our West Coast record is not good.

Seth

May 16th, 2023 at 12:58 PM ^

They get the same effect from Michigan or OSU (actually more from OSU) that everyone gets. Michigan and Ohio State fans fill every stadium they play in unless they grow bored (read: have already been to Indiana).

There is no MSU equivalent for PSU, but Maryland is sorta close. And PSU fans are very good at filling Maryland and Rutgers games because their alumni base is more East Coast than Chicago.

Vasav

May 16th, 2023 at 1:09 PM ^

I think Penny's question is, doesn't PSU need M and OSU the way that MSU needs them? I suspect no because PSU football is a big deal independent (ZING!) of them, but I do imagine their ticket prices would depress without either of them at home. But one of USC, Michigan and OSU would likely be on their schedule every year, and a big OOC game should make up the 4th year.

zh2oson

May 16th, 2023 at 1:03 PM ^

I ran a Twitter poll yesterday, which isn't at all scientific (my followers lean historical and nerdy)...

I participated in your poll. Nailed it. 

maddog5

May 17th, 2023 at 10:10 AM ^

UF is the number 5-ranked public uni and FSU number 19 or 20, according to the (yes, problematic) US News & etc. report. That makes FSU higher than all but five current B1G members (at number five, UF is ahead of UNC).

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/top-public

 

maddog5

May 17th, 2023 at 1:20 PM ^

"it doesn't matter. . ." Pretty obviously not the case, since these schools are being contemplated, and NB was kicked out. FSU has long been focused on applying, FWIW. 

Absolutely true that DeSantis, OTOH, may jeopardize these advances, which--interestingly--came after Jeb Bush (the 'education governor') made FSU and UF flagships and strongly increased their funding. DeSantis is undoing a lot of people's hard work. 

Your original point was way off, though. :)

Blue In NC

May 16th, 2023 at 3:12 PM ^

I could see holding our noses and taking Miami for that market but does taking FSU also really mean much?  I would much rather see UNC or UVA and also get those markets (NC is a rapidly expanding market).  In my ideal world, the B1G takes ND, Miami, UNC and UVA (I understand that may not work but ND is obvious and the others bring 3 new markets).

Don

May 16th, 2023 at 4:21 PM ^

This question is going to be determined by the existing BIG presidents, who since Penn State was added have only invited schools that are members of the Association of American Universities, the consortium of research institutions that all conference members belong to (beside Nebraska, see below). Rutgers and MD are also members, and at the time it was invited, so was Nebraska*. USC and UCLA are also AAU members.

Duke, UNC, Vandy, and UVA are members of the AAU, while FSU, Miami and ND are not.

If the BIG presidents want to restrict the conference's membership to AAU members, then FSU and Miami won't be invited, but UNC or UVA would be prime candidates. 

Because it's generally regarded as an excellent academic institution, I can envision the BIG presidents making an exception for Notre Dame, but FSU and Miami aren't in that category academically.

However, if the priority of the conference presidents is to maximize revenue, then AAU membership is no longer a requirement and the sky's the limit on who to add to the conference.

*Nebraska was an AAU member at the time the BIG tendered its formal invitation to Nebraska, but by the time Nebraska became a full member and started competing in conference athletics, the AAU had tossed Nebraska out of the consortium in a dispute over how to count research expenditures. The chancellor of Nebraska at the time it became a BIG member has publicly acknowledged that Nebraska would not have been invited to join the conference it it had not been an AAU member.

Don

May 16th, 2023 at 8:05 PM ^

U-M reported a record $1.71 billion in research expenditures in 2022. OSU reports $1.38 billion in research expenditures in 2022. PSU is at $1.034 billion. Illinois was at $1.16 billion for 2021. Northwestern came in at $924 million for 2022. Wisconsin reported $1.38 billion in research expenditures in 2021.

In total, the amount of money brought in for research by BIG institutions vastly exceeds sports revenue.

Cosmic Blue

May 17th, 2023 at 11:21 AM ^

that may all be true, but i dont really understand how it figures into the math here. are research dollars somehow tied to what conference a school plays sports in?

phrased another way - if we were to let in the worst schools academically into the B1G, would that in any way impact how much research expenditures member schools got?

RAH

May 16th, 2023 at 8:14 PM ^

My memory may be wrong (that is not an uncommon event) but I think I recall that the issue that caused Nebraska to be dropped from the AAU was a rule change that required the University hospital to be located on campus. (And Nebraska's was not).

Don

May 16th, 2023 at 8:15 PM ^

Whether or not an institution is in the AAU doesn’t necessarily correspond to its academic status; ND is not in the AAU but USNews ranks ND higher than Michigan, FWIW. AAU membership seems to be largely determined by the strength of a school’s research activities.

leidlein

May 16th, 2023 at 1:13 PM ^

What a mess. The powers that be wanted this. Now they get to clean it up. There is no ideal solution for this mess. Hell there probably isn't even a good solution.

Since contraction is most likely off the table (go back to the Big 10 with 9 conference games everyone plays everyone, no CG). Here is my idea and where we are probably headed:

Expand to 20. Two 10-team divisions. No cross over games. Each division plays everyone in their division, then a CG at the end. 

No matter what, so many flaws. Always a chance that someone sneaks in and steals it. But greed is driving all this. Hell they can't even get the CFP system right. 12? WTF do we need 12? 8 is perfect. 

rice4114

May 16th, 2023 at 2:45 PM ^

If 12 is the number for on campus games so be it. They backed into a beautifully correct choice. Im not going to frown on Iowa vs Oregon @ Iowa in the playoffs. 

The neutral sites are boring and sanitized. Perfect for teams that have a talent advantage that want zero variables to the game. 

RobGoBlue

May 16th, 2023 at 3:12 PM ^

In nine years of CFP now, how many times have we even needed 4??

2015: 4 seed won, so fine. We needed 4.

2016: Clemson/Bama widely accepted as top 2, play great title game.

2017: ditto 2016, reverse final result.

2018: 4 beats 3 for title because we're still accepting "SEC > everything." Fine, needed 4.

2019: 2017 redux, only no classic title game.

2020: 1 clobbers 2, only this time their name is LSU.

2021: ridiculous season receives predictable result, 1 Bama clobbers 2 OSU.

2022: Georgia assumes jackhammer status, upending higher-ranked Michigan (that was fun to write) and Bama.

2023: GA retains jackhammer status.

I count two times in nine years where inviting the four seed led to anything more than a formality. We sure as hell don't 'need' 8 or 12, unless you're hoping for some 1 in 100 chance NHL- or MLB-style results like "2027 National Champions, the 11 seed Baylor Bears!"

Vasav

May 16th, 2023 at 3:35 PM ^

4 is plenty to pick a champ. Oftentimes,1 is enough and the poll system lasted that long because of that. Usually there are 2-3 solid schools, sometimes a 4th as well.

This CFP expansion is not about improving how we pick a champ - 4 is enough for that - it's that being a semifinalist now has its own cachet and also mostly it's about the money.

rob f

May 16th, 2023 at 6:57 PM ^

And yet we need 8 (IMO which would be ideal), 12, or 16 in order to break the stranglehold on playoff berths that a select half-dozen teams have had.  

Having the same few teams in the playoffs yearly has in turn allowed those same teams an unfair recruiting advantage. 

To be sure, both NIL and the current "wild west" portal rules theoretically help even the playing field, but by themselves aren't enough.

Venom7541

May 16th, 2023 at 5:05 PM ^

I only want conference champions playing for national championships. I hate teams not winning their conference somehow now being the best. They had their shot, but money is more important than actually winning when it counts in the regular season, so nothing I come up with matters anyway.

Seth

May 16th, 2023 at 5:28 PM ^

If i get to design it I'm making it 31 teams and 4 divisions and a 4-team playoff at the end.

Big Ten Division
Michigan
Ohio State
Michigan State
Northwestern
Indiana
Purdue
Illinois
Wisconsin
Minnesota
Iowa

Pac Ten Division
USC
UCLA
Washington
Oregon
Nebraska
Stanford
Washington
Colorado
Arizona
Arizona State

Big East Division
Penn State
Maryland
Pitt
Duke
North Carolina
Boston College
FSU
Miami
Virginia
Virginia Tech

Rutgers Division
Rutgers

The three 10-team divisions play 9 conference games against each other, and the Rutgers Division plays 9 games against itself. Then there's a playoff where the top overall seed gets a bye or plays Rutgers (their choice) for the conference championship.

Vasav

May 16th, 2023 at 1:14 PM ^

I think previously, there had been mention about figuring out how the Big Ten's tiebreakers would work - I was kind of hoping that may be a "no-rematches" rule or something like "only a re-match if you beat the champ." It would kind of preserve the spirit of the showcase while still retaining a championship game - and you could have the duality you have in other college sports, of a regular season champ and a tournament/"title game" champ.

Mich1993

May 16th, 2023 at 1:20 PM ^

Seems like the easy solution that Michigan/OSU fans would like is to have the two teams with the best records that have NOT already played each other face off in the championship game.  

If you already beat the other team head to head why do you have to beat them again?  Seems like the rest of the Big 10 would like this too.  I guess the reason this won't be done is that TV revenue trumps all.

TruBluMich

May 16th, 2023 at 3:42 PM ^

This is a pretty good summary of why TV execs will fight for even a chance at a Michigan vs. Ohio State rematch.

1. (3) MICHIGAN at (2) OHIO STATE – Week 13, Saturday, Nov. 16, Noon EST, FOX

Viewers: 17.14 million

2. (2) TENNESSEE at (1) GEORGIA – Week 10, Saturday, Nov. 5, 3:30pm ET, CBS

Viewers: 13.06 million

 

Mich1993

May 16th, 2023 at 3:57 PM ^

Yes, I get it.  The big issue will be when both UM and OSU have clinched the championship game regardless of the outcome, especially if it happens regularly.  They play each other with both knowing they are going to play again in a week.  It changes the game from life and death to a battle for seeding with a more meaningful game to come in 2 weeks.  I think the end result will be two games that both draw less than the 17 million listed above.

Any idea that lessens one of the greatest games in college football seems like a bad idea.  I suspect the overall ratings of a one off UM-OSU game followed by a UM-USC or UM-PSU would draw almost as many overall eyeballs.

TruBluMich

May 16th, 2023 at 8:11 PM ^

Completely agree with what you are saying, so far the TV Execs are batting a 1.000 when it comes to destroying all the things that make/made college football great.  Why wouldn't they pocket a few more billion and destroy one of the last great rivalry games in sport.

dragonchild

May 16th, 2023 at 1:38 PM ^

I know it's futile but as long as we're airing out opinions, I'll once again advocate for doing away with Michigan State as a "rival".

They suck now, but that's not a permanent thing.  The issue for me is that it's gotten so toxic and now dangerous I can't even think about the game.  The only thought going through my mind is, "Please no one get hurt."

And, while I find it crazy that I have to say these sorts of things, I strongly feel that is a thought that no fan should ever have to think.

It's a fucking football game and I'm justifiably scared we're going to see someone get permanently crippled because Michigan State's toxicity is completely out of control.