March 14th, 2018 at 12:21 AM ^
RIP Mr. Hawking.
March 14th, 2018 at 12:23 AM ^
never know what you'll learn on MGoBlog. Damn
March 14th, 2018 at 12:27 AM ^
March 14th, 2018 at 12:29 AM ^
He will be missed.
March 14th, 2018 at 12:32 AM ^
Rest in peace.
March 14th, 2018 at 12:34 AM ^
March 14th, 2018 at 12:50 AM ^
Hawkings was truly brilliant.
One thing: what if he ends up being correct (no God, no spiritual world. He is an atheist), If he is correct, then he is definitely at peace. There is no more Hawking there at all.
March 14th, 2018 at 12:52 AM ^
March 14th, 2018 at 11:57 AM ^
Michigan goes 5-7 this year?
then he's in heaven?
March 14th, 2018 at 10:13 AM ^
Otherwise there is no way they'd make it. I have yet to own a dog who wouldn't sell his soul, on the spot, for bacon.
Seems like there'd be a lot of fun people to hang out with in hell-- I wouldn't be complaning.
I'm happy for Carolina Blue though, it must be hard to choose the correct religion after taking the time to survey the thousands that have existed in human history. The guy really put his work in.
March 14th, 2018 at 10:02 AM ^
Maybe he can go where all the babies who die without getting baptised go, im sure it's not so bad there even though the bible says no heavan for them.
March 14th, 2018 at 10:58 AM ^
That is a Catholic teaching, not a biblical one.
Biblical teaching leans towards age of accountability. King David stated that his dead infant child, the son of Bathsheba, could not come to him, but will go to his son. From that comes the teaching of the age of accountability....though to be fair, the bible does not specifically address that teaching either.
March 14th, 2018 at 11:40 AM ^
Moroni 8:4-16
March 14th, 2018 at 10:46 AM ^
I used to think that all religions define afterlife as a prize (heaven) and a punishment (hell) based on all the things one does in life. But thinking a bit more, you seem to be right. It's quite possible that the Heaven and Hell as commonly discussed is a construct of the Abrahamic religions only.
Interesting line of thinking following from there. Most communities around the world do define the afterlife differently than a prize and punishment.
Thanks for sharing your thought.
March 14th, 2018 at 10:29 AM ^
I'm going to go ahead and lean towards the guy who said he would rise from the dead...and then did it. What he has to say might be worth giving some weight to.
"I’m saying based on what he has said and based on the rules set forth in the Bible, which is the only authority we have for how God makes decisions on who gets in"
Coming from a Catholic perspective, that isn't true. We also have the tradition and authority of the Church. I respect that your viewpoint may be different.
But for us, we can judge no man's heart, particularly at the time of death. IIRC the Church has *never* said anyone is in hell, even Judas (though the betting line there is more solid...) just who is in heaven (saints).
Dismus (sp?) made it in at the last minute. And of course there is irresistable ignorance. If the man wasn't gifted with faith in his life he might be given grace at the end enough to attain a baptism of desire.
I for my part hope for his salvation, and will pray for his soul.
But again, this is from a Catholic viewpoint. YMMV.
He was a great man, and an amazing scientist, and I honor all his achievements.
You sound as bat shit crazy as this guy.
March 14th, 2018 at 10:46 AM ^
That is a terrible disease, and he lived, and excelled, with it admirably.
As for the Pope... he can't 'Declare' someone in heaven. For a Catholic it's a process. A long, long process for the most part.
There's more accurate Catholic orthodoxy in this mgoblog post than 95% of the homilies I hear at church
March 14th, 2018 at 10:18 AM ^
Doesn't everybody assume that their religion is correct?
I'm pretty sure Christians believe that to get into Heaven you have to, you know, belive in Jesus.
But if you have another conception of a 'good' afterlife (Christian or otherwise) that has other entrance requirements, then he may very well be there. But I don't think non-believers can get in just because there were a 'good person' here on earth.
First off, kudos to the board for engaging in a civil, open discussion of a religious topic. Not saying I want this site to have more of it, just noting that any civil discourse is a breath of fresh air. Anyway. . . just want to state that not all Christians think that you need to "believe in Jesus" to get into Heaven (and I am assuiming that you are defining "believe" to mean more than just recognizing that there was a living person whose life is recapped in the Bible). Belief in Jesus is certainly the most common belief amongst Christians and something that is taught by the majority of Christian religious leaders, but there are plenty of Christians that recognize a path to heaven for those that do not have this same belief.
They may recognize an alternate path, but is that supported by biblical scripture? Not being argumentative, just curious. I feel like I remember you had to at a mimum accept Jesus as your savior. I think he's quoted as saying that. Not sure though.
Coming up with alternate paths that don't jive with what is laid out in their own rule book seems like a coping mechanism to avoid the fact that lots of 'good people' wouldn't get into Heaven.
I appreciate the civil discussion too.
Jesus' claims as "the way to heaven" were pretty exclusive. John 10:9, John 14:6, etc. This angers alot of people. But if the Bible is authoritative, I'm not sure it leaves room for another "path" to heaven apart from Jesus.
Which leads to many questions...
What about those who have never heard about Jesus...
What about those who lived before Jesus lived...
What is so special about Jesus that he made this claim...
What if the Bible is not really authoritative...
How does someone arrive at knowing absolute truth?
Just some thoughts...