OTL is going all in on MSU, Izzo, Dantonio
January 26th, 2018 at 3:50 PM ^
and I haven't said one word to any of them because I'm sure it will be taken as gloating instead of attempting some type of discourse on the subject.
January 26th, 2018 at 5:07 PM ^
Though today was pretty hard to avoid.
January 26th, 2018 at 1:54 PM ^
If Enos leaving is our biggest problem, I will take it compared to what is going on in East Lansing.
January 26th, 2018 at 2:51 PM ^
At this point, we're better off without any connections to MSU.
January 26th, 2018 at 3:25 PM ^
i was selected to be on a jury for a criminal offense by enos in EL while he was QB (it was a minor offense though). i got out of it. i don't know what the result of the case was.
January 26th, 2018 at 4:35 PM ^
You should have stayed on and fried him.
January 26th, 2018 at 7:41 PM ^
January 26th, 2018 at 2:10 PM ^
Interesting that he thought that Enos trolling Harbaugh was a bad look for Harbaugh. No, it's a bad look for Enos and any Sparty who would celebrate it. If Enos really did use Michigan to get around his non-compete, then he is an asshole who we don't want anyway.
January 26th, 2018 at 1:27 PM ^
January 26th, 2018 at 1:28 PM ^
At this point, I would not be shocked if Mark Dantonio and Tom Izzo have both coached their final games at MSU. Seems to be a lot that they both were in position to stop and didn't.
January 26th, 2018 at 1:37 PM ^
LOL, yeah right. "Team MSU" is on the case, they will sweep this under the rug to keep them around somehow.
January 26th, 2018 at 1:50 PM ^
January 26th, 2018 at 2:35 PM ^
You didn't even fire a warning shot. Went straight through the damn captain's quarters. No mercy.
January 26th, 2018 at 2:51 PM ^
I made the same comment about a week ago and the first response was, "OK, f--- right off" followed by Blue4You continuing his trolling by pretending to be a Michigan fan who's job it is to protect the internet feelings of msu.
Ps. I wholeheartedly agree with you.
November 28th, 2020 at 6:06 PM ^
LMAO I just mgo stretched your mother
January 26th, 2018 at 3:25 PM ^
January 26th, 2018 at 3:59 PM ^
January 26th, 2018 at 4:29 PM ^
that's my line! ;-)
truly, one of the most disgusting narratives of the PSU scandal and one I'm sure we'll hear regarding MSU in the too near future.
January 26th, 2018 at 1:53 PM ^
Now that the can of worms has been opened, I'm guessing more women will come forward.
January 26th, 2018 at 2:15 PM ^
I said this after Simon quit. In their heart of hearts many Sparties were way more terrified of losing Hollis than Simon. Multiply times ten and get to their real fear of losing Izzo and Mark (8-2 over Michigan) D'antoni.
January 26th, 2018 at 2:32 PM ^
A few years out of college. But, none of my MSU friends liked Simon, at all. There were no tears shed for her leaving.
January 26th, 2018 at 3:34 PM ^
It was mainly the trustee's, as evidenced by Ferguson's comments, and it had everything to do with money. Probably a little bit to do with her willingness to acknowledge the importance of strong athletics when raising said money, and therefore allowing that department to operate like the mafia.
January 26th, 2018 at 3:58 PM ^
Didn't he say something about pride and fall?
January 26th, 2018 at 2:30 PM ^
MSU plays tonight, so I doubt he's coached his last game. Could progress quickly, but who knows. I'd put money on him finishing the season at least.
January 26th, 2018 at 3:58 PM ^
will probably just get their mothers on the phone.
January 26th, 2018 at 1:30 PM ^
OTL isn't pulling any punches. This is the best piece I have read so far about the systemic failures of MSU re: handling sexual abuse allegations.
Particularly troubling was this info provided by a former MSU sexual assault counselor:
"Yet former Michigan State sexual assault counselor Lauren Allswede, who left the university in 2015 over frustrations about how administrators handled sexual assault cases, told Outside the Lines that MSU administrators' entire approach to such cases has been misguided for years. The biggest issue? Complaints involving athletes were routinely investigated and handled by athletic director Hollis' department, and sometimes even coaches, she says."
Letting the AD and coaches handle the investigations of allegations themselves demonstrates a clear conflict of interest. The pot has started to boil and Simon and Hollis are only the first to jump out. Things are about to get really dificult for Dantonio and Izzo.
January 26th, 2018 at 1:47 PM ^
It's sad that this is not unique to MSU and very likely not unusual nation wide. It'd be surprising, under intense scrutiny, if any FBS institution has handled Title IX and assault cases well and without bias. It seems likely to be a spectrum between disappointing to appalling. Let's hope that changes.
January 26th, 2018 at 3:14 PM ^
issues in the AD. I read a first hand account from a woman who attended a training session for their mandatory reporters this week. A first step towards cleaning up their problems. Numerous attendees resisted the guidelines. Others made stupid jokes. This is while the victim impact statements are going on. She reported it and a further session is planned.
While all other schools have had to deal with problems and some don't always handle them properly, I don't believe that MSU is typical.
January 26th, 2018 at 5:17 PM ^
The Nassar case is unique in scope. I was speaking more specifically to, "The biggest issue? Complaints involving athletes were routinely investigated and handled by athletic director Hollis' department, and sometimes even coaches, she says." I think this is far more typical and long has been. Collusion with campus and municiple police departments and even prosecutors seems more typical as well. The attitudes you've cited don't seem much different from what I suspect has gone on in Happy Valley, Waco, Louisville and other campuses.
EDIT: We need to demand better as alums and as a society. Fixing MSU is a known quantity and a priority, but the problem remains elsewhere.
January 26th, 2018 at 6:28 PM ^
Times have changed and so have the laws. I think it's equally wrong to claim those issues only exist at places that get caught like MSU and Baylor as it is to say that kind of institutional non-complainance is widespread.
It's galling to hear about those attitudes still in place during Nassar's trial. I'd hate to think there's anything typical about that.
January 26th, 2018 at 10:09 PM ^
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January 26th, 2018 at 2:34 PM ^
I felt the same. One or two of these incidents, especially the older ones involving football players where charges weren't filed, it doesn't seem too bad. Par for the course of kids on athletics teams these days, sadly. But there are just so many of these, it's hard not to see the pattern. The university is on fire, and there's a lot of smoke billowing out of the AD...
January 26th, 2018 at 3:29 PM ^
what the hell has she done the past several years. she was there 7 years. she only recently resigned when the shit hit the fan and now she appears to be singing like a bird. i like the truth coming out but it sounds like she could have been a whistle blower several years ago and chose not to.
January 26th, 2018 at 4:05 PM ^
Well obviously I don't know but it does sound like she at least tried to bring about some changes and was finally frustrated enough to quit. Not sure if that's the trust but she may not have been doing nothing.
January 26th, 2018 at 4:11 PM ^
and still aren't talking. She's not a hero. I haven't seen anyone making her out to be one.
January 26th, 2018 at 1:29 PM ^
January 26th, 2018 at 1:29 PM ^
"Allswede told Outside the Lines that about seven years ago, an attorney from the university's general counsel's department came to her office to try to reassure her that coaches were taking allegations of sexual violence seriously. Allswede says the attorney told her how Dantonio, the football coach, had dealt with a sexual assault accusation against one of his players: He had the player talk to his mother about what he had done."
SPARTANS WILL.....cover up and be complicit in a culture of sexual abuse and rape against women and children.
January 26th, 2018 at 1:43 PM ^
January 26th, 2018 at 1:46 PM ^
Wait a minute....he had the player talk to his mother about it?
"You assaulted __________"
"Yeah, but I talked to Mom about it and we're cool now."
No, that's not how it works. That's not how any of this works.
January 26th, 2018 at 2:04 PM ^
Your honor, after i committed the assault, i DID talk to my mother about it.
January 26th, 2018 at 4:54 PM ^
January 29th, 2018 at 11:48 AM ^
But at least at Michigan we expel you first, and then we send you home to face your parents.
January 26th, 2018 at 3:07 PM ^
Looks like Dantonio is finally being dragged out of the weeds.
January 26th, 2018 at 3:07 PM ^
Looks like Dantonio is finally being dragged out of the weeds.
January 26th, 2018 at 1:29 PM ^
January 26th, 2018 at 1:32 PM ^
Dantonio is accountable.
January 26th, 2018 at 3:26 PM ^
from his mistakes and that he did everything by the book in the most recent sexual assault cases involving Corley and others
The second part of that appears to be true. The first part was forced upon him after Nassar was charged. MSU did start reforming their AD in response to that and the inevitable investigation into their department.
January 26th, 2018 at 1:32 PM ^
not only needs to get involved, but they need to ban them until further notice, or permantently. MSU has lost their right to be a part of the BIG. This is beyond sports...
January 26th, 2018 at 1:40 PM ^
Like PSU and Baylor, MSU no longer deserves to be apart of the NCAA.