14 MSU Staffers Were Warned of Nassar (At Least One Complaint Reached President)
EXCLUSIVE: What #MichiganState knew about Larry Nassar. https://t.co/uRCIWotFX6 via @detroitnews #nassar
— Kim Kozlowski (@kimberkoz) January 18, 2018
January 18th, 2018 at 1:48 PM ^
Hollis and Simon need to go immediately.
January 18th, 2018 at 1:49 PM ^
"play it straight up" what the hell does that mean, u have a doctor at your school under investigation and you dont even look into it a little bit??? i didnt receive a report?? so why dont u ask for one?? that is unreal, do your job!
January 18th, 2018 at 2:08 PM ^
The arrogance of Simon to be a no show when all the women told their stories (except for what, an hour?) is staggering. The malfeasance and dereliction of duty appalling. And the complacency about the responsibilities of a leader of epic proportions. How Simon is not gone already speaks to the good ol' boys (and girls) network that runs the place. I'm not sure how but the Board of Trustees should be sacked. How can they be trusted to do the right things?
January 18th, 2018 at 2:38 PM ^
Well, Mitch Lyons is on the board of Trustees and we all know what kind of a douche canoe that guy is.
January 18th, 2018 at 3:32 PM ^
January 18th, 2018 at 4:31 PM ^
1. Outed Austin Robertson as the student-athlete who reported the sexual assault allegations to Dantonio leading to dismissal of multiple players http://statenews.com/article/2017/06/lyons-regrets-revealing-name
2. Last week was arraigned on misdemeanor assault and battery charges. Details withheld per article.
https://www.lansingstatejournal.com/story/news/local/2018/01/12/misdeme…
3. (Politics aside) Last year posted the following statement on Twitter: "An 'impediment to quality, connectivity, and inclusiveness' at MSU is a terrorist blowing himself up on campus #SecureTheBorder."
http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2017/02/michigan_state_board_of_tru…
Probably a bunch of other dumb stuff too.
January 18th, 2018 at 4:51 PM ^
Here is a summation of his glorious 2017
After Trump issued the travel ban, he decided to tweet through it, likening the idea that the travel ban would stop a muslim woman from "blowing herself up on campus."
He thought it was a good idea to reveal on Bill Simonson's radio program that Auston Robertson was the whistleblower on the sexual assault case that led to Corley, King and Vance being thrown off the football team, something he said not three months later he "deeply regretted"
Oh and as another poster put, he's wanted in Jackson County on misdemeanor assault.
I don't know how you remove a trustee from the board but holy shit this guy is a moron for being an elected official that is supposed to represent his alma mater.
January 18th, 2018 at 5:08 PM ^
I'll probably vote for him as MSu trustee if he's on the ballot again because they seem like a perfect match.
January 18th, 2018 at 7:09 PM ^
January 18th, 2018 at 2:27 PM ^
Yeah, I'm not sure why he wouldn't have taken a more proactive approach to this issue, but not wanting to let bad PR from a non-revenue women's sport spill over and impact revenue generating sports seems plausible.
Jesus, this is worse than Penn State, if only because, in this instance, it's involving student-athletes within your program, the exact people whose welfare it is part of your job to look after.
January 18th, 2018 at 1:50 PM ^
January 18th, 2018 at 1:51 PM ^
I really want to see him fry just for the way he is being invisible right now.
What a loser.
January 18th, 2018 at 1:51 PM ^
Someone posted this in the other thread.
Kate Wells is live tweeting. Really powerful statements from the victims.
https://twitter.com/KateLouiseWells
January 18th, 2018 at 3:41 PM ^
January 18th, 2018 at 1:59 PM ^
A different question than this thread is geared towards today but it's something that has crossed my mind over the years:
How do we stop pedophilia?! It has likley been a thing since the dawn of humans and has continued into today's society and maybe even grown with the internet and technology. These people know it is bad yet they cannot help themselves. They know they are looked upon, even in prison where the know they will end up if caught, as the lowest vile scum of all....yet they cannot help themselves. So again...how do we stop this? The people invloved with this have an attraction to young adolescent/pre-pubescent humans and cannot help themselves, getting satiscaftion from their mental illness only until caught. I know there are many issues in this world that we can't solve but this one happens to ruin so many lives and is downright sad and disgusting.
It just seems impossible to stop these people from ever harming children in the first place because we just don't know or see it (or ya know, turn a bunch of blind eyes even when it is brought to light). It seems impossible to turn off this attraction to the young. I'm in healthcare and know and have friends in the mental health areas but truly, like MOST people, don't have a grasp on mental health illnesses and how to deal with people enduring these issues...but again, how do we find out early enough and turn off this sexual infatuation with children?
January 18th, 2018 at 2:08 PM ^
The people invloved with this have an attraction to young adolescent/pre-pubescent humans and cannot help themselves, getting satiscaftion from their mental illness only until caught.
Your meaning here is vague. Can't stop themselves from being attracted, or from acting on that attraction? If the former, I generally disagree, at least to an extent. People can control to some extent the level of interest they show in things that are improper, even if not totally remove the predisposition (think of how someone who has quit drinking or smoking adjusts and chooses not to feed the urge. If the latter, that's absolutely crazy.
People have agency and certainly are capable of controlling their actions.
January 18th, 2018 at 3:04 PM ^
January 18th, 2018 at 3:06 PM ^
January 18th, 2018 at 3:18 PM ^
January 18th, 2018 at 3:49 PM ^
I acknowleged that we will never completely stop this. However, there are ways to prevent this and reduce the prevalence of it. Don't trust other adults to be alone with your children. That prevents your child from getting abused and prevents the abuser from having a target to abuse. I wouldn't let my son go to friends' houses for sleep-over parties because I am responsible for his well-being. I didn't encourage him to be an Altar Server and I probably would have told him no if he asked to be one. It's really sad that it's come to this, but knowing what I know now, that's a decision I had to make.
I haven't seen or met any predators that I know about, but my understanding is that people are not "hard-wired" this way from birth. That's letting them off the hook. I would like to hold people responsible for their actions, and saying, "hey, I was hard-wired this way" is an excuse and it's a bullshit excuse. I do think that as abusers get away with abuse, they become wired for this. That is why most abusers are repeat offenders. But at the beginning, this guy was intelligent enough to get a medical degree, get married, and gain the trust of his colleagues. He is smart enough to know the difference between right and wrong.
January 18th, 2018 at 5:16 PM ^
January 18th, 2018 at 3:53 PM ^
Nevermind. This topic is a grenade. I have decided that I am not walking near grenades anymore.
January 18th, 2018 at 3:18 PM ^
January 18th, 2018 at 4:02 PM ^
I'll take "His Dudeness" word over the World Health Organization. You appear to be taking the nature side (they are wired that way) over the nurture side of this argument. That's fine, but I'll trust the scientific literature over your opinion.
This may be the most damning part of the study:
Prospective research estimates that:
1 in 6 maltreated boys and girls go on to become violent offenders (32); and
1 in 8 sexually abused boys go on to become sexual offenders (45).
Nassar is accused of abusing over 100 people. How many potential future abusers has he created? 1 deviant creates 5, 10 or 20 more. That's how this thing grows and becomes a catastrophe.
http://apps.who.int/iris/bitstream/10665/107841/1/E90619.pdf
For many years, research has demonstrated a number of potentially negative outcomes for victims of child maltreatment (9–11), including:
death
physicaland mental disability
stress and physical health problems
low self-esteem and poor self-worth
educational failure emotional and behavioural problems
sleep disorders and post-traumatic stress disorder
mental health problems
eating disorders and self-injury
alcohol and drug abuse
increased risk of further victimization
victims becoming offenders
antisocial and criminal acts
January 18th, 2018 at 4:12 PM ^
January 18th, 2018 at 3:55 PM ^
How to stop pedophilia? Sometimes courts and others have used a combination of physical castration, along with chemical castration to remove libido. Google it if you are interested.
January 18th, 2018 at 4:13 PM ^
January 18th, 2018 at 1:55 PM ^
January 18th, 2018 at 1:58 PM ^
But seriously, how in freaking hell does Lou Anna Simon still have a job?
Her comment from a few weeks ago that essentially said it's impossible to stop a child molester was bad enough, but this new statement is just as bad IMHO:
"Among those notified was MSU President Lou Anna Simon, who was informed in 2014 that a Title IX complaint and a police report had been filed against an unnamed physician, she told The News on Wednesday.
“I was informed that a sports medicine doctor was under investigation... I told people to play it straight up, and I did not receive a copy of the report. That’s the truth.”
Asked about the women who said they tried to alert MSU to Nassar’s misconduct, Simon declined to comment.
“Those issues are points of dispute and part of civil litigation and I am not going to comment on,” she said. “What I can tell you is what I knew, straight up. My standard response is to tell people to play things straight up and I did not receive a copy of the report.”
So the president of a major public university received notice that a sports medicine doctor employed by that institution was under Title IX investigation simply says she didn't receive a copy of the report? WTF? Did it not ever occur to her to request a copy of the report?
And as for "those issues are points of dispute...": is she seriously asserting that the various statements by the victims should be disputed? JFC.
http://www.detroitnews.com/story/tech/2018/01/18/msu-president-told-nass...
January 18th, 2018 at 2:00 PM ^
"I didn't receive the report."
As if she wasn't hiding under her blankets 24 hours a day worrying about the "report." You're the fucking boss. DEMAND to see the report!
January 18th, 2018 at 2:45 PM ^
MSU didn't release any details, either statements from the president, or anything substantive, including discovery, FOIAs, until after all their football and basketball 2018 recruits had signed.
Shameful... and no, I don't think that's coincidental at all. They are hoping the fallout from this is over in a year, and the 2019 class can hang on, I can almost guarantee it. On that note, here's a rundown of their 2019 class targets of note in case any are interested.
Football:
Julian Barnett, CB, 6-1 186 lb, 59 national, 3 cb 4 star (commit)
Dwane Mathis, Dual QB, 6-5 195 lb, 209 national, 4 dual QB 4 star (commit)
Spencer Brown, OT, 6-6 295 lb, 323 national, 36 OT 4 star (commit)
Devontae Dobbs, OT, 6-4 270 lb, 7 national, 1 OT 5 star (warm, 82% Crystal Balls)
Jaren Mangham, ATH 6-1 212 lb, 187 national, 16 ATH 4 star (warm, 100% Crystal Balls)
Basketball: (no commits yet)
Vernon Cary, PF, 6-9 245 lb, 1 national, 1 PF, 5 star (warm, 23% CB)
Tyrese Maxey, PG, 6-3 185 lb, 11 national, 3 PG 5 star (warm, no CB)
Alonzo Gaffney, SF 6-9 190 lb, 17 national, 4 PF 5 star (warm, no CB)
Romeo Weems, SF/PF 6-7 215 lb, 28 national, 6 PF 4 star (warm, 100% CB)
Keion Brooks, SF 6-8 185 lb, 31 national, 8 SF 4 star (warm, 60% CB)
Trayce Jackson-Davis, PF 6-8 210 lb, 38 national, 9 PF 4 star (warm, no CB)
Harlond Beverly, CG 6-4 167 lb, 100 national, 5 CG 4 star (warm, 100% CB)
Rocket Watts, PG, 6-2 180 lb, 107 national 17 PG 4 star (warm, 100% CB)
January 18th, 2018 at 3:26 PM ^
Don't know why you got downvoted. I do think something like this is afoot.
January 18th, 2018 at 1:57 PM ^
In a way it's almost understandable for Nassar's superiors to want to cover up what he was accused of, because bringing it to light would open a Pandora's box the likes of what we see here. What's unimaginable is that he was able to continue doing his "procedures" without any oversight or supervision. The media has locked its jaws on this now. Institutional failure over two decades--this is going to be a slaughterhouse.
January 18th, 2018 at 2:02 PM ^
Even the BBC is now covering this.
Good job, MSU. Your attempts to cover up, delay, obfuscate, and deny have worked wonderfully well.
January 18th, 2018 at 2:13 PM ^
One of the victims committed suicide (years after the fact, but most definitely related). It makes me sad/sick to even type this out.
January 18th, 2018 at 2:32 PM ^
who didn't believe his daughter and actually made her apologize to Nassar for the accusation.
January 18th, 2018 at 3:24 PM ^
January 18th, 2018 at 3:43 PM ^
It's difficult to imprison the dead. Not impossible, but difficult.
January 18th, 2018 at 5:21 PM ^
January 18th, 2018 at 3:51 PM ^
he committed suicide
January 18th, 2018 at 1:57 PM ^
January 18th, 2018 at 2:02 PM ^
I don't thinks this is going to end well for MSU officials.
January 18th, 2018 at 2:03 PM ^
January 18th, 2018 at 2:09 PM ^
does that to a pedophile, the judge should pardon them. Pedophiles need to be put down. They are not fixable. They are monsters who will never change.
January 18th, 2018 at 2:12 PM ^
When the university is telling parents that nothing is wrong and the child just doesn't understand what a medical procedure is, its really difficult for the parents to believe the child, let alone feel confident enough in their child's statements to do something about it, remember, these incidents happened when he managed to get kids alone.
January 18th, 2018 at 3:57 PM ^
I sat on a jury for one of these cases. The mother could not believe the father had done what he did, and tried to rationalize how her daughter could be so confused. Fortunately, the daughter had involved teachers, and the mother brought clergy in, who then brought in the police and counselling.
It was horrible to sit through the case. Four days of hearing awful things. I emergeed with a much deeper appreciation for judges, DAs, counselors and criminal defense lawyers. True service.
January 18th, 2018 at 2:16 PM ^
January 18th, 2018 at 2:19 PM ^
I saw an interview with one of the victims (I honestly forget which, the article was on ESPN I'm pretty sure), and the parental disbelief was incredible. Nassar played the parents perfectly, and convinced everyone that the girl was either lying or simply misunderstood the medical procedure. Parents berated and verbally/mentally abused her for months about how dare she accuse this noble, honorable doctor until she eventually recanted and apologized. I'm sure that story was the same for a lot of the victims - the amount of victim blaming/shaming/disbelief in molestation and sexual assault cases is both mind boggling and depressing as hell, and is the kind of attitude that can let the guy get away with it for years (or decades here).
If you're talking about taking Nassar out in court during these hearings, well, speaking as someone who is in court several times a week, there's a shitload of security and metal detectors and a lot of well armed deputies whose job is making sure that doesn't happen. It would be exceedingly hard to sneak a weapon in, and even harder to get close enough to Nassar to actually use it.
January 18th, 2018 at 2:42 PM ^
Because unlike all the Internet Tough Guys on here, the parents had to deal with this for real.
Murder is hard in real life. Society also tends to frown upon those who don't find murder hard.