JFW

December 6th, 2017 at 9:38 AM ^

but I don't know if I agree with #3. QB was the most serioius deficiency, but it wasn't helped by an O line that let two QB's get put in an ambulance, and wideouts who rarely helped the QB. 

If we have solid QB play all year I think we have a good shot at beating MSU and OSU, but neither are sure thigns. PSU I don't know if we win with the status quo. Wisci I think is up in the air at Camp Randall. 

Either way, we have a shot at the B1G title but it's not a given. Next year though....

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TheTeam16

December 6th, 2017 at 2:35 AM ^

I have just finished watching Shea's first game against Texas AM 2016. Do you believe that if in fact Shea chooses Michigan that the offense will be formed around his skill set, instead of the more traditional pro offense we have run under Harbaugh? 
 
From watching the game, he seems to be very competent, and dangerous running the zone read. I did not however see him take a single snap under center the entire game. I know ZR has not be a staple in the Harbaugh offenses of the past, though it has been intermixed occasionally. I just don't want to see Shea transfer in, and be hampered by the type of offense we have traditionally run under Harbaugh and Co.
 
I am not saying I do not trust the coaches to conform the system to Shea's strengths, I am just wondering what people think he has been told the offense would be like...assuming he wins the starting job.

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1VaBlue1

December 6th, 2017 at 8:27 AM ^

While it's true that Harbaugh will adjust the offense to his players skillsets (see: early season 2015, and all of 2017), he is recruiting for his offense.  He is evolving it into an NFL passing spread - hence Pep Hamilton and the bounty of wide outs and Gronk-like TEs that run like the wind.  He will adjust some things to suit the QB, but mostly he wants a QB that can run an NFL offense.  He's got two right now, and wants a third as much for depth as for a possible upgrade.

He didn't have the parts on the field in 2015, was subpar in a few of areas in 2016 (QB, WR, RB - as good as they were), and had to start over in 2017.  In 2018 he'll finally have all the pieces, but they'll need some seasoning.  He's already proven an ability to out-scheme Meyer's staff all over the field, and now he'll finally have the athletes to match at each position.

Patterson, if he comes and is eligible, may not start - Peters and McCaffrey will be valid competitors.  But he will add a jolt of 'oh, shit - competition' that may not have been there otherwise...

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TheTeam16

December 6th, 2017 at 1:05 PM ^

I just have a super hard time buying that Shea is transferring anywhere, and not starting immediately. I hope it is a true open competition, and best man wins...I just dont know if I can wrap my mind around it.

Im not saying that Harbaugh wont give all the QBs a shot, but this season made me lose a little faith when he was playing JOK in front of ANYONE on the roster. I'm sure it will all work out though, I am excited to have NFL quality talent at the QB position for the first time since Carr left (minus Ruddock).

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HailHail47

December 6th, 2017 at 6:37 AM ^

How likely is it that the NCAA lifts the eligibility for transfers? That still seems like it could go either way despite everyone's optimism. It seems that if we cross that hurdle we should be fine. Also, what probability level does a Crystal Ball actually hold with Sam? Greater than 50? Or is it a lock? I'm trying to avoid a repeat of the Najee Harris recruitment.

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BoCanHam15

December 6th, 2017 at 8:47 AM ^

But, remember this has to be within the NCAA guidelines therefore it doesn’t just include us. We will overcome whatever obstacles that may come our way. It’s just that Harbaugh is so smart, that the NCAA has to create new laws, in order to cope with our head man. Let’s remain positive, either way. Eventually they’ll be envious of how smooth our ship sails.

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SugarShane

December 6th, 2017 at 7:24 AM ^

I had no idea people were so confident in peters until this thread. What did it, the one touchdown drive against Wisconsin?

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cbs650

December 6th, 2017 at 8:13 AM ^

Let's say Shea comes in and as talented as he is just can't pick up the offense and Harbaugh is stagnant and just won't adjust it, you find yourself in same situation we were in this season where Peters is more talented but Harbaugh went with he trusted more because they knew the playbook and you wanted a scholarship on a player. Some QBs can play in any offense most can't. Like a poster stated Shea was good in the offense he was in doesn't mean he will be in this offense. Lets hope he he is if he comes.

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1VaBlue1

December 6th, 2017 at 8:35 AM ^

Show me a time when Harbaugh didn't adjust things for the QB he needed to play...

... Waiting ...

If either Peters or McCaffrey possess more playbook knowledge, and the ability to run it effectively - without turnovers - they will start.  We've heard for three years now that Harbaugh will choose the QB that best avoids montrous mistakes.  And we now have first hand knowledge that you need to know the playbook (ie: Peters couldn't overtake JOK for #2).

Personally, I hope all three prove thier ability to move the offense and avoid mistakes.  Make Harbaugh choose between all three of them, and make it a difficult choice.  Yet somehow, I think Harbaugh would absolutely love that challenge...

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cbs650

December 6th, 2017 at 8:55 AM ^

I know that my point is if you feel Patterson is good, do you run the offense that was in place at Ole Miss to optimize his skill set or do you force him into the system you have. Now I believe Harbaugh will adjust but does he change the playbook to accommodate Patterson.

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Jonesy

December 6th, 2017 at 6:08 PM ^

Pretty sure we've had ample discussion on this board about all the changes Harbaugh made to the offense to try to find something, anything, that O'Korn could run effectively. And then there's how we switched our entire running blocking scheme at the start of the year then when that didn't work well switched back. Harbaugh has been plenty flexible.

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1VaBlue1

December 6th, 2017 at 9:13 AM ^

What do you mean by "change his playbook"?  If you're asking if he'll abandon the NFL passing spread he wants in favor of the college ZR and simple routes favored by the high school coach Ole Miss employed, no.  Jim MF'ing Harbaugh is not going to abandon his NFL offense because a single player can't execute it.  Especially when there are two other high-end options that probably can execute it.

If you're asking whether he'll implement some concepts that are tailored to a specific QB's talents, hell yes he'll do that!  We've already seen that several times, too.

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cbs650

December 6th, 2017 at 9:32 AM ^

We've seen him attempt to do it but he still asked Okorn to do things that we all know he couldn't do. And yes I mean change it to a College Zone Read from his NFL Passing Spread if he feels Patterson is the most talented, gives team best option to win and will be most optimal is that system. I guess my question to you as a fan is: would you want him to play the best QB from a talent standpoint and then design a system around their strengths or play the guy whose more limited but knows the playbook?

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1VaBlue1

December 6th, 2017 at 10:59 AM ^

My answer to your question:  No, I expect/want Harbaugh to stick with what he knows - his NFL offense.  If Patterson can't run it, then I wouldn't say he is more talented than those who can.  If he can't run it, he won't play in the NFL, while those who can run it, will.

Harbaugh has set up his coaching staff, and geared his recruiting targets, to run a modern NFL passing spread.  Throwing all of that away for one player would be a travesty.  Teams win championships, not players.  A single player can put you over the top (see: DeShaun Watson), but football isn't basketball.

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Dorothy_ Mantooth

December 6th, 2017 at 8:18 AM ^

is a top priority for '18, and securing this transfer could/should greatly assist in that endeavor

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We are back

December 6th, 2017 at 9:19 AM ^

Well the kid who works there made all kinds of promises and said he had inside info for Michigan but none of it came true, anyways Sam Webb just retweeted to someone he knows to have intel that said Rashans Mom said Little has zero interest in Michigan and will not be visiting.

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jblaze

December 6th, 2017 at 9:59 AM ^

1) Isn't chatsports banned on MGo? Or was it just anything by their Ace? Wasn't it found out that he was like a 16 year old kid or something?

2) Random MGo posters that have been here for a while and have a decent posting history are usually very credible. I believe that's how the Shea to M rumors started (or maybe they stole it from pay sites, IDK).

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maize-blue

December 6th, 2017 at 9:10 AM ^

I think this works out well. As the offensive line is breaking in two new tackles, they may need a mobile guy to escape and make plays. I'm sure Peters can hang just fine with Patterson in the throwing dept., may even be better but he is a pocket guy and will stand in there in a hellstorm and make throws. This tends to allow him to absorb some pretty big shots.

It's no guarantee that Patterson wins the #1 spot, or is it guaranteed that the O line can keep the starter healthy the entire season. UM needs 2 quality QB's.

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HimJarbaugh

December 6th, 2017 at 12:01 PM ^

I'm probably wrong here but I just don't see him as a fit for Michigan's offense. He obviously has great talent and experience, but the accuracy and touch seemed to be lacking and I never saw him go under center. 

He seems like a better fit for Oklahoma or Baylor.

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