What a surprise, the NCAA couldn't find anything
The NCAA didn't find any rules infractions against N. Carolina.
http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/media-center/news/infractions-panel…
October 13th, 2017 at 10:16 AM ^
Blow the NCAA up. Start again
October 13th, 2017 at 12:04 PM ^
Bravo sir/ma'am
October 13th, 2017 at 10:18 AM ^
There's no justice with sporting associations
October 13th, 2017 at 10:19 AM ^
I don't even care about this. It is almost a decade old.
October 13th, 2017 at 10:53 AM ^
That was the point that seems to get lost here. Take away wins, or whatever, but shit or get off the pot. Three filings weren't enough to come up with something. Move the fuck on.
October 13th, 2017 at 1:09 PM ^
I kind of wish we has stonewalled the NCAA and told them to go pound sand after stretch-gate rather than cooperating and showing our records. They are so freaking inept that if we didn't do the work for them we would not have had sanctions. That was such a load of nothing and the NCAA cackled with glee handing out our penalty. Screw their incompetence.
October 13th, 2017 at 1:51 PM ^
You're only screwed if the FBI gets involved. If it's just NCAA, no worries.
October 13th, 2017 at 10:21 AM ^
What sucks is that this case appears to be much more egregious than the Michigan "scandal" and yet UNC will get zero penalties while Michigan suffered greatly. Just goes to show you how the NCAA's enforcement has gone rapidly downhill.
October 13th, 2017 at 10:36 AM ^
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October 13th, 2017 at 11:46 AM ^
We did the stonewall thing the first time around (1997) and the NCAA barely found anything. Then the FBI got involved and people started talking, giving the NCAA the evidence it needed. It was the second investigation (2002) that got us on probation.
October 13th, 2017 at 6:00 PM ^
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October 13th, 2017 at 10:22 AM ^
Nice to know that amateurism is entirely pointless, now.
October 13th, 2017 at 11:34 AM ^
Why would they blow up something that makes them a tremendous amount of money?
It like Lenin said, "Find out who benefits the most...."
"I am the Walrus?"
October 13th, 2017 at 10:22 AM ^
but this seems more like an accreditation issue than an NCAA issue. The classes in question (to my understanding) were offered and taken by both athletes and non-athletes and the NCAA deals with athletics only. I wish UNC would have faced some accrediation punishment but I don't think this was really an NCAA issue.
October 13th, 2017 at 10:26 AM ^
October 13th, 2017 at 10:34 AM ^
I wonder if someone intentionally let it out to regular students to avoid the NCAA.
October 13th, 2017 at 10:55 AM ^
You don't remember correctly. They were taken by the 'student body' in addition to athletes. UNC cleared academic probation a long time ago. Sorry, ship sailed on that one too.
October 13th, 2017 at 12:21 PM ^
Open to the whole student body? Ok, but miraculously, those classes were populated more than 50% by athletes. Pure coincidence that happened.
October 13th, 2017 at 1:54 PM ^
I'm sorry UNC beat your team. I'm guessing NC State.
October 14th, 2017 at 5:50 AM ^
October 13th, 2017 at 9:58 PM ^
There was a class called Chicano Politics here at the U in the 80's that was rumored to be an easy-A class for athletes, and an easy-B or better class for other students as long as you showed up.
I (non-athlete) took it with some of my friends. Lots of football players were in the class (occasionally) and a few of us civilians. I got a B for doing not much. The players got A's from what I heard. Not shocked to hear some other school did something similar.
October 13th, 2017 at 11:40 AM ^
There were more non athletes than athletes who took the classes
October 13th, 2017 at 10:33 AM ^
I agree. While I'm not a lawyer or fully studied up on NCAA by-laws and I didn't stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night either, this reads like a problem with integrity from an academic standpoint, not a violation of permissable benefits. I would hope that the accredidation bureaus would get involved and possible revoke their accredidation.
October 13th, 2017 at 10:40 AM ^
how were the players academically eligible to participate in ncaa events since the class was fraudulent?
October 13th, 2017 at 12:06 PM ^
Exactly. The NCAA could still push this 100 different ways because UNC cheated at sports. They intentionally violated a bunch of rules, and then hid behind the governing accreditation body for the academic parole they were put on. They essentially told the NCAA that would any penalty would be double jeopardy, and they'd take it to court. The NCAA apparently backed down.
I guess, when faced with the prospet of keeping its money or giving it to lawyers, they chose to keep it. So now academic cheating is fair and open.
October 13th, 2017 at 1:47 PM ^
That's a valid question. I do believe that the NCAA had to ability to come in and say that any player who took this course would have it removed from their eligibility scores. If they dropped below the threshold, then they would need to be removed from sports till their grades were fixed. The only thing I can think of (If I'm reading this right) is that it is not the NCAA which sets the threshold for eligibility, but the academic institution. Here's the bylaw as copied from an article on ESPN:
"To be eligible to represent an institution in intercollegiate athletics competition, a student-athlete shall maintain progress toward a baccalaureate or equivalent degree at that institution as determined by the regulations of that institution subject to controlling legislation of the conference(s) or similar association of which the institution is a member and applicable NCAA legislation."
So, as you can see, it still would come back to an accredidation or ACC ruling, NOT the NCAA.
The more that this comes out, the more it reveals just how good the NCAA has it. they really don't have to enforce academics, and the laws in place are subject to review and varying judgement. All they have to do is collect the millions or billions each year to keep doing it.
October 13th, 2017 at 11:30 AM ^
We were on probation from the accrediding agency for awhile, this is just so old that people don't remember.
October 13th, 2017 at 11:50 AM ^
Smells like a fake class set up to help athletes, but North Carloina gets off the hook because regular students also ended up taking the "class".
It's like Kentucky basketball's super fancy dorm which is legal per the NCAA because a few regular students get to live there too.
http://larrybrownsports.com/college-basketball/kentuckys-housing-chef-f…;
October 13th, 2017 at 2:10 PM ^
October 13th, 2017 at 10:22 AM ^
Regular students who found these classes and got into better grad schools than deserved also win today.
October 13th, 2017 at 10:23 AM ^
October 13th, 2017 at 10:23 AM ^
Love how the NCAA gave everyone a personal cocktail for how to openly practice academic fraud. Just have to make sure the class isn't only available to student athletes and that the Professor who is the ringmaster of the whole thing doesn't personally agree to talk to the NCAA about what went on. What a joke.
October 13th, 2017 at 10:24 AM ^
This investigation by the feds into the money in college bball should make the NCAA take a long look at itself. Far too easy to skirt the rules, the punishments are negligible, and the NCAA lacks any real power to uncover much. 2 year post-season ban and take away the wins is nothing to these schools. It takes the feds getting involved in the unpaid taxes a la Capone to get any traction on anyone anywhere. Toothless.
October 13th, 2017 at 10:37 AM ^
Ha ha. Very funny. That would assume that the NCAA organization and the bozos who run it even had a shred of the capability for introspection. Their entire recent history shows exactly the opposite - an unwillingness to make any meaningful, positive changes in a system they see as not needing any fixing. The NCAA and it's head tool, Mark Emmert are all about the status quo and the money it brings in.
October 13th, 2017 at 11:28 AM ^
Unfortunately I don't think that's going to change either. They'll brush off this fed case as "a few bad eggs, the system works" and business as usual. What can they actually do you know? NCAA can't control a coach's ability to earn income, none of the actual athletes are being forced to sign any LOI's (they all sign of their own accord), everything's above board as far as the NCAA is concerned.
October 13th, 2017 at 10:31 AM ^
Cc: NCAA
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October 13th, 2017 at 10:33 AM ^
Double post, so another Office Space gif it is
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