MBB Recruiting: '18 G/F Jerome Hunter to Indiana
Per his twitter account. Crap.
Was the top target on Michigan's bball recruiting board. He is a very good player with a high ceiling who will now be playing against us regularly.
Would love mattd to get his input. This one did not seem like it would be wrapped up soon.....and to IU at that.
My guess is this - Beilein just has a tougher time than other coaches making a strong, personal connection with kids on the recruiting trail.
JB has literally been at every AAU tournament game Hunter has played in this summer, and most of them from last summer.
I fucking hate the "JB can't close, can't recruit, won't work hard to get recruits" theme on this site. We've got three great 2018 prospects (including one ranked higher than Hunter on some sites) and are in on a bunch more. JB has learned his lesson from previous years and is offering more players and making more backup plans, because he's seen how bball recruiting has changed.
while Miller was watching Hunter at another tournament.
Thats called seeing the writing on the wall. He can't see Ignas, who was at Peach Jam, and Hunter, who wasnt at the same time.
JB refuses to pay players and AAU handlers. That is why he "can't recruit." The only time Michigan ever got a lot of top ten and top twenty guys was when Ed Martin was paying them.
The only real answer is to lobby for the removal of the rules against paying players. Let the players get whatever they can for their services during what, for some of them, are their peak earning years.
Not true. First of all Ed Martin wasn't a Michigan booster, he was a Detroit high school booster. Kids that went to Duke, UNLV, MSU, Mizzou, etc from Detroit all got paid by Ed Martin too. Second of all Tommy Amaker signed Daniel Horton, Lester Abram, Dion Harris, etc who were all big time recruits. He also had Joe Crawford and Al Horford committed at one time. Not bad for a guy with no support on sanctions with crap facilities.
This isn't to say anyone is yearning for the Amaker years, just that the idea Michigan basketball can't recruit 5 stars is a misnomer. John Beilein can't recruit 5 stars. The reasons for this are multitude. 1)I believe he loathes the idea of one and dones 2)He doesn't like coaching kids with any semblance of an ego 3)Some recruits simply aren't recruitbale and 4)He's terrible recruiter ie not relatbale and borderline lazy.
In other news, 5 star Reggie Perry committed to Miss State today. But I guess they are a basketball school so that explain that.
Illegal Boosting is when you pay/steer kids to a specific university. Martin was different. Even though he liked UM he had ties with kids at places all over the country as previously stated.
Martin just wanted to be "in" with these kids.
I'm not saying we didn't' screw up but I'll always maintain that the situation wasn't one where Martin was steering kids or paying them to go to Michigan, which is why in the end we paid too severely for his sins.
Borderline lazy? Seriously dude? Some of your arguments CAN actually be argued, like #1 & #2. Unfortunately, the further down you get on your list the more ridiculous and personal feelingsish aka emotional you sound.
John Beilein being lazy is your worst argument there. Missing a recruit does not mean you're lazy. It can mean many things, but that sort of argument needs a bit more of an explanation if you want to be taken seriously. And might need a Diary's worth of information as there is a plethora of evidence out there suggesting the opposite.
Now go do your research and come back and share your findings. If you want to be taken seriously, stop ranting and start giving facts.
JB doesn't recruit 5 stars well for multiple reasons but "laziness" doesn't seem to be one of them. I can name several reasons that are unavoidable if you want to have a program with inegrity:1. he only recruits high character players (although this isn't always predictable) 2. he recruits students (so one and dones who only pretend to play school are out) 3. he doesn't engage in sleazy recruiting tactics.
If we had a less sleazy system without the one and dones, he would have greater success with top recruits. But we don't. And he runs a high integrity program.
Are there other factors? Does he have trouble connecting personally with some recruits? Does he have trouble pulling in high level bigs given his coaching style? Perhaps and quite possibly. But this is conjecture while the prior reasons are all known facts.
I'd love to have the recruiting success of a Kentucky, UNC, etc. but we have a much higher level of integrity than most of these programs.
I don't think the won't offer until their junior year, and won't offer until an on campus visit are helping any either.
I'm obviously not claiming Beilein is the best recruiter in the world, or even that if Michigan had another coach we might not get in on some guys we can't now. But there is a theme on this site in particular (umhoops forum is much more realistic, IMO) that he's absolutely terrible at it.
Michigan IS NOT a blue blood basketball program that recruits want to come to because of its long-time success. The last 5-6 years have been great, and maybe that'll pay off in the long run (especially with the record of putting kids in the NBA), but Beilein has much less of a recruiting advantage than I think people assume.
I think MGoBlog is too used to the recruiting success of our football team, which is a totally different story. If Brady Hoke could get top ten classes, you know that recruiting comes down to more than just the coaches. Beilein could be better; but he isn't operating with the advantages everyone assumes.
But IU also has a lot more historic success than Michigan. Plus, we literally just lost two assistant coaches, including one of those who was our main recruiter in the region.
"Michigan IS NOT a blue blood basketball program"
Correct - and we can't expext to recruit at a top 5 level.
Problem is - we barely recruit at a top 25 level. We regularly get out recruited by teams that are even less historically successful than Michigan.
I believe it has been well documented that JB does a poor job keeping in contact with kids between visits. In general, recruits now a days enjoy frequent texting with the guys recruiting them, which is something JB has not done much of from what I've heard.
Beilein couldn't close a screen door. Being a better in game coach than your peers only takes you so far in college. Another year, another whiff on a top target.
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He's missed out on almost every one of his top targets every recruiting class since 2014.
Brandon Johns is an exception to a very troubling recruiting pattern that has now stretched out a number of years. If you can't see that, then you simply don't want to.
You mad bro?
No you won't.
otherwise it is hard to explain why we continually miss on the vast majority of our top targets despite on court success, player development, top notch facilities, etc.
I like JB, but he is not a top notch recruiting closer, particularly when it is a long drawn out recruitment.
is the issue most cited to me by prospects/coaches with regard to Michigan recruiting - in other words Michigan doesn't beg. Does it cost us at times, yes it does.
That said, this was not the issue in the Hunter recruitment, he simply loved IU.