Is Trey Burke gonna be on a NBA roster next year?
April 14th, 2017 at 12:43 PM ^
He just scored 29
April 14th, 2017 at 12:55 PM ^
April 14th, 2017 at 12:56 PM ^
I might be spitballing here, but writing emotionally in all caps and providing a scorching HAWT TAKE might have something to do with it.
If you want something substantive, I think the mystery has been solved in that Trey has always been small, isn't quite explosive enough to make up for it and doesn't have the insane court vision and shooting chops that would have allowed him to really succeed in a limited role.
Boiled down, there's nothing A+ level in his game to make up for his physical limitations. This has been consensus for a while.
Another hint, if you want to get the conversation going provide something for people to bite on besides, I wonder why?
Come at the question with some perspective and you'll do fine. Fire off an emotive treatise and then blame people for "not getting it" gets you negged. It's not that you're providing an outside the mainstream opinion and thus are too edgy for us, but that you're not really providing an argument and then getting mad that your reception isn't what you wanted it to be.
April 14th, 2017 at 11:37 PM ^
points to lose!
April 14th, 2017 at 12:44 PM ^
Yes; Trey Burke is a player in the NBA.
April 14th, 2017 at 12:44 PM ^
April 14th, 2017 at 12:58 PM ^
I'm no hoops expert, but this seems to me like a very lazy analysis:
Great in college, bad in pros, therefore must be the college system.
(also the recruiting rankings were correct because bad in pros)
Eh, I am not sure it is about the system. I just think it's because he is a small guard with decent speed, and a good but not great shot. He's not quick enough to get past guys who press up on him, but at the same time is not big enough to shoot over anybody. Therefore, he is forced to take a lot of tough shots which he simply isn't good enough of a shooter to make a high percentage. At some point, you need a god given advantage in terms of body or attributes in order to succeed, and as far as NBA standards go, Trey just doesn't have one. He will forever be remembered for what he did at Michigan, and I for one am thankful for that.
Exactly. This was always going to be a concern for him in the NBA. Not sure why people are surprised or chalking it up to him being a "system PG" like Mike Leach's Texas Tech QBs (remember the 5). Everyone is bigger and faster. So if you're on the short side and not extremely athletic, you've gotta be one of the most skilled guys in the league.
You mean running the pick and roll, driving to the hoop, and shooting threes? The NBA doesn't have a place for those skills that he demonstrated in college?
It's not that he has the wrong skillset. The skills I just listed were all a part of his portfolio in college. They are also a big portion of the skills that make guys like Steph Curry league MVPs. Which he won on the Warriors, whose offense Michigan somewhat resembles.
The skillset isn't the issue; it's the level of skill. Burke can handle the ball, but Curry can handle it better. Burke is quick, but Curry is quicker. Burke can shoot, but Curry can shoot better (and much, much faster). Burke can drive, but Curry can drive better.
You can do this with many players. The point is that Burke's skillset isn't the problem, it's the skill level. At his size it's not enough to do other things well. He needs to do them spectacularly well. He'd be a starter if he were 4-5 inches taller, or if he was blazing fast, or if his shot was a bit more reliable, or if he had the moves or a release that got him open shots where other people didn't get them.
He has these skills; they just aren't enough.
offense doesn't resemble JB's offense at all. They used the least amount of PnR out of all the team in the league yet they're efficient mainly because of Steph Curry, Klay Thompson and Kevin Durant. They whip the ball around and find a mismatch then they go after them until they can stop it.
That's a fair comment. However, while they don't use the PNR the same way, they do have a general strategic commonality--the use of multiple distance shooters to stretch the floor with a reliance on stretch bigs, a foundation of both offenses.
and NBA uses PnR a ton so it translate. However, what doomed Burke is his shooting and size. He's not big and strong enough to score in the paint and his shooting hasn't been all that good.
April 14th, 2017 at 12:46 PM ^
The title of this thread must be a trick question because I just went to nba.com and he's on the Washington Wizards roster, so the answer is yes.
How good of a player in the NBA? Not as easy to answer.
April 14th, 2017 at 12:57 PM ^
That's a fair point and an open question.
April 14th, 2017 at 12:46 PM ^
April 14th, 2017 at 12:48 PM ^
-Relatively small frame for today's proto-typical PG. If you are going to be short, you better be able to get to the rim at will, ie Isaiah Thomas. He's not capable of doing damage down low.
-Horrible shooter at the NBA level. Something I thought would transition well for him just hasn't.
-Not very athletic. He was able to cover this up at Michigan with his killer instinct, but this is being exposed big time.
-Very low assist totals. Averaging 3.6 APG, which is not going to cut it. Never thought he was a wonderful passer at Michigan, but seemed to be solid.
With all of that being said, he's still a functional NBA player. But hasn't lived up to the stuff he did at Michigan.
All of that stems from his one fatal flaw, his athleticism/size combination just isn't NBA quality. Trey is a good shooter, but it's hard to shoot well in an NBA game if you can't consistently shake your defender and/or shoot over your defender. His history at Michigan shows he is a good creator, but if you can't beat your defender one-on-one or draw the help defender to the rim, you don't get many chances to set up your teammates for easy baskets.
Every step up the basketball ladder requires a certain amount of skill and a certain amount of athleticism/size. You may be able to get away with being a hair under the minimum requirement in one category if you absolutely excell in the other, but there is a limit. Unfortunately for Trey, his talent will never overcome his lack of size and athleticism.
Average NBA PG athleticism (which is probably generous) isn't athletic enough when you're below average NBA PG height.
As said by ultiple people in this thread, you shouldn't care or talk about points. That said, you probably got negged for suggesting that Trey doesn't work hard without any supporting evidence.
he's actually shooting a stellar 44 percent from three this year. Yes, it's on a smaller sample than previous years, and yes, he's not shooting great from 2, but he's certainly not an MCW-level horrible shooter.
Agree with the rest though. The NBA is really hard to make. Top 10 draft picks only stick for long careers at like a 50 percent rate. He lacks elite size/quickness so he just hasn't been able to create enough quality shots for himself or teammates and doesn't defend well (never did). All the concerns teams had about him coming out of college couldn't be overcome by his "killer instinct/competitiveness/intangibles" that could have overcome his physical limitations.
There is also some truth to the "system" player rationale. M's offense is so efficient, and he was surrounded by such good players (all of whom have turned out to be disappointing NBA players) that his offensive stats, and unfortunately all M players now, should have been taken with a grain of salt.
Drafting a Michigan player seems like drafting a Sonny Dykes/Mike Leach/air-raid/spread and shred skill position player in football. They might be good but it's hard to tell what stats/performance are a result of the system and what is a result of individual talent. They get the college awards (ahem RG3) but usually don't pan out in the NFL.
April 14th, 2017 at 12:50 PM ^
Trey Burke tonight:
— LaVar Ball (@ItsAntWright) April 13, 2017
30 minutes
27 points
10-13 (76.9%)
5-7 (71.4%)
4 assists
1 steal pic.twitter.com/XDVv6hMXTE
April 14th, 2017 at 12:59 PM ^
I haven't seen the game where he did well, but of course it's the end of the regular season and they're clearing the bench. Don't expect to see a lot of Burke in the playoffs even if the Wizards do well.
That said, his performance demonstrates what he has and what he doesn't have.
He was a great player in college. Quick, good shot, good vision and instincts. He could get to the hoop. He was able to beat the opposition in college.
But the things he did well in college are things that haven't translated well to the NBA. Look at the gif in the post I'm responding to--a great move resulting in an open shot.
And also a move that will not work in the NBA, where the guys playing defense are smarter, faster, and taller. In the NBA that defender gets back or a guy closes it out, and he has to adjust in the air and it clanks off the rim if he even gets it off.
The problem is that Burke is good at a lot of things a PG needs to be good at. But he needs to be great at some of these things to be effective. He doesn't have great speed or athleticism. Is he athletic? Sure, he would embarrass every participant on this board. But the guys defending him are more athletic. Is he 5-foot-nothing? No, but the guys covering him are taller and longer. Can he shoot? Sure, but his release isn't Curry-fast and his ability to get open isn't AI-quick, so he's not going to be good at creating his own shot, and to my knowledge his catch-and-shoot is only ok, so there's no reasont to run plays to get him those looks.
Can he drive? Yes, we've seen him do it, but the college guards he was beating have been replaced with defense fiends. Once past them, he could only barely get those shots to the rim in college; now instead of some unathletic 6'10 guy coming to defend he's got 7-foot-plus Tyson Chandler looming over him.
He has yet to find a role and a skill that he excels at enough to make him a reliable something in the NBA. He does a lot of stuff well, but for everything he does well there is someone who can do that better.
April 14th, 2017 at 12:59 PM ^
They must have been running Belein's system.
First rule of points: Never talk about points. I'll just help you out here--this particular comment is likely to get negged a lot, and that's because comments that complain about negs get negs.
We all say stupid stuff. Sometimes we word things poorly or make a bad point or have a bad day (just ask Mr. Yost). You eat the negs and you move on.
is don't worry about negs/upvotes.
Some people just go around negging shit regardless of what is typed