NCAA expected to revisit satellite ban
Oliver Luck, the NCAA’s executive vice president of regulatory affairs, said Monday morning while speaking to a meeting of the Northeast Ohio Interscholastic Athletic Administrators Association, he expects the NCAA to revisit the recent rule to ban satellite camps.
LINK (DetNews). Best news to come out of Ohio since Charles Woodson's birth announcement.
April 18th, 2016 at 11:46 AM ^
Will common sense prevail, I hope so but will not hold my breath.
April 18th, 2016 at 12:32 PM ^
My guess is some random every team can have 5 non-campus camps that they attend/put on per year.
April 18th, 2016 at 11:48 AM ^
I bet that the compromise will be that Group of 5 schools can travel to Power 5 schools camps, but that the big boys will still be shutout of traveling off campus.
April 18th, 2016 at 11:57 AM ^
This is what I'm expecting as well. "Okay, we shut down Harbaugh but we also screwed over a bunch of little guys and generated some horrible PR in the process. So how to we keep Harbaugh in check but fix that?"
April 18th, 2016 at 12:03 PM ^
I don't know the procedure, but my understanding is that this rubber-stamping that occurs on April 28 will be either an approval or a denial. I wouldn't be surprised if there is no mechanism for modifying something that has been voted into place or for enacting something altogether different at that time. This might be rejected with a subsequent proposal that includes some of the limitations others are discussing at a later date, but I think April 28 will simply be a yes or a no.
They'll propose a new amendment that all teams can do satellite camps but Jim Harbaugh can never leave Ann Arbor
Aren't all towns really satellite sister cities of Ann Arbor?
April 18th, 2016 at 12:18 PM ^
A lot of P5 schools also complained about that, led by Mike Leach. I don't think they enact the Freeze Rule here - my thought is a total reversal to give them time to 'study' an alternative. The last thing school presidents want is another backlash firestorm over a rash decision with no thought behind it.
Of course, this assumes the NCAA will use some self-respect and do something with common sense behind it...
April 18th, 2016 at 12:44 PM ^
NCAA, self-respect and common sense do not belong in the same sentence.
If they're smart, they'll just put a cap on how many satellite camps you can do per year or how many hours a coaching staff can run camps off site or something like that.
Given it's the NCAA, I am not holding my breath for a sane decision
April 18th, 2016 at 12:18 PM ^
It appears the NCAA went to Roger Goodell for advice on how to make a rash decision.
April 18th, 2016 at 12:34 PM ^
Now I'm confused. I thought Goodell went to the NCAA for advice!
That is not a compromise, it is a loss. It would simply be correcting the sloppiness of the enemy while still giving them full victory.
April 18th, 2016 at 11:48 AM ^
And the same people who voted against their own conference self-interest the first time will probably still vote against their own conference self-interest again because, in my opinion, they were paid off to do so.
April 18th, 2016 at 12:57 PM ^
The committee that might revisit the ruling later this month is the "Board of Directors," made up almost entirely of University presidents. The committee that made the rule was the "Division I Council," made up mostly of athletic directors & conference executives.
I am confident that nobody is paying off a University president to vote in a certain way on a minor (to them) issue like this. Generally they rubber-stamp the decisions of the Council, but not always when there is a controversy and there are questions of "fairness" involved.
EDIT: here is a list of the people who voted for & against the ban. Eight of the ten are athletic directors. Timothy Day is a professor and Maggie McKinley is an Associate Athletic Director.
YES (10 votes)
ACC: Blake James, Miami (2 votes)
B12: Timothy Day, Iowa State (2 votes) [Professor]
MWC: Paul Krebs, New Mexico
P12: Daniel Guerrero, UCLA (2 votes)
SEC: Mitch Barnhart, Kentucky (2 votes)
SBC: Larry Teis, Texas State
NO (5 votes)
AAC: Maggie McKinley, Cincinnati [Associate AD]
B1G: James Phillips, Northwestern (2 votes)
CUSA: Judith Rose, Charlotte
MAC: Michael O'Brien, Toledo
More like Bitch Marnhart!
Am I right?
Guys?
April 18th, 2016 at 12:09 PM ^
I think you are giving the voters too much credit. Outside of the traditional hookers and blow, I doubt the voters received any compensation from the SEC. Taking cash directly is crossing a line--a big line.
The sunbelt and mountain west pads the SEC schedule and gain tv exposure and puts cash in the schools pockets--their vote was strictly business in my opinion. The big 12 have texas; the pac 12 have california--two of the three biggest recruiting states in the union.
April 18th, 2016 at 11:49 AM ^
I think they will overturn it because of the shitstorm it caused everywhere except the deep south.
April 18th, 2016 at 11:53 AM ^
They will amend it to prohibit commencement speeches as well.
April 18th, 2016 at 11:57 AM ^
I wouldn't be surprised if they end up allowing a limited number per school, probably less than 5. That's better than nothing, but has absolutely no sound logic behind it. They'd pitch it as a reasonable compromise to appease all parties, but if you're admitting that these camps are a good thing, what grounds are there to put a low cap on them? If Michigan holds 30 camps and there's enough interest among players to fill all of them, who exactly is it hurting?
I understand I'm probably preaching to the choir here, but it's just another head scratcher I'm expecting from the higher ups.
April 18th, 2016 at 12:29 PM ^
I wonder if that means the legislation dies or goes back to the committee. And if it does go back to the committee, when will they get to vote on it again—if it is next year that means, we might have camps this years like last—which means Hugh is not going to be able to spend time with his family. This is not good. Not good at all. Think about the children, people, Hugh’s children.
April 18th, 2016 at 12:58 PM ^
Calling James Franklin for a ruling:
My first thought was - give Rowdy Roddy sun glasses and a machine gun and he wouldn't need any bubble gum. ;)
April 18th, 2016 at 11:59 AM ^
tree climbing and sleepovers, unabashedly referring to it as the Harbaugh rules. The NCAA is a mess.
Harbaugh will just come up with something else.
They really have no choice but to outright ban Harbaugh from college football entirely.
Send him back to the NFL and reinstate Brady Hoke as Head Coach and Rich Rod as Defensive Coordiantor.
It has to be done. Think of the children.
April 18th, 2016 at 11:59 AM ^
I bet they allow them, but limit them to like five per year. So coaches who don't like work still don't have to work that hard to keep up with jackhammer that is Harbaugh.
I have lost all faith in people admitting they are at fault or wrong about anything. Despite logic and data staring them right in the face, most people insist on holding firm to their sh*tty position, even if it means avoiding a resolution that is in everyone's best interest.
April 18th, 2016 at 11:59 AM ^
I would think they might limit the number of camps you can have outside the 50 mile radius zone. Maybe they will limit it to say 4 camps.
OT-- can we please tell Jim Delany it's time to retire. As much as I hated SEC's Greg Sankey, at least he stuck up for his conference,
This would be an interesting ruling as SMSB is within our 50 miles radius, but outside Sparty's and OSU's. D'Antoni would attend SMSB, but would Urbs give up his opportunity to troll Michigan for more productive OSU recruiting areas?
April 18th, 2016 at 12:00 PM ^
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April 18th, 2016 at 12:23 PM ^
I think the PAC-12 was in a real pickle here. They have a long, established relationship with the BIG 10. From a business standpoint, I am guessing they wanted to express support with the BIG 10. From a recruiting standpoint--I doubt many of the schools wanted to see the BIG 10 and the SEC camping out in California.
The coaches can side with the BIG 10 and public opinion after the fact--and still get their way.
April 18th, 2016 at 12:33 PM ^
Is the PAC-12 camping in Florida, Louisiana, Ohio???
April 18th, 2016 at 12:00 PM ^
I refuse to get my hopes up and give the NCAA the satisfaction of disapointing me again.
April 18th, 2016 at 12:00 PM ^
several people who voted for the ban went hiding since the vote, speaking the volume of how shady the NCAA's process is.
April 18th, 2016 at 12:03 PM ^
Did anyone hear about Gary and a racist phone call that he received? I feel like we should have a board topic about this or something...
April 18th, 2016 at 12:05 PM ^
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April 18th, 2016 at 12:06 PM ^
April 18th, 2016 at 12:24 PM ^
I'm struggling to see the logic behind such a compromise. If the NCAA decides that satellite camps are bad, it should ban them entirely. If the NCAA decides that satellite camps are neutral or good, it shouldn't regulate them at all.
As has been discussed extensively, the only people satellite camps "hurt" are coaches who lose free time putting them on. And the NCAA shouldn't be in the business of protecting the free time of people who voluntarily work in a profession that earns them millions of dollars per year.
April 18th, 2016 at 12:40 PM ^
April 18th, 2016 at 12:09 PM ^
NCAA: "No more camps!"
Harbaugh: *Stares angrily*
NCAA: "Seriously, no more camps."
Harbaugh: *Continues staring*
NCAA: "Ok, we'll talk about it."
April 18th, 2016 at 12:11 PM ^
“This affects a lot of people,” Harbaugh said. “You’re hearing a lot of voices talking about how it affects them, the players they coach or a family member of players at different universities talking about what Sound Mind Sound Body meant to them. That’s how they got an opportunity. I think you’re seeing and will see more and more evidence. If we can keep the topic in front of people, we’re for that.”
That has been the best way to fight all along, stoke the fire and let them know who is being hurt by the NCAA with such a decision. I am actually glad - shocked in a way -that they are willing to take a second look at it, although I am a little skeptical that the solution they come up with would be a "never mind" on the ban altogether. It would be nice if that was the ultimate effect though, that the ban lasted mere weeks and became a few paragraphs in the chronicles of NCAA ineptitude.
April 18th, 2016 at 12:13 PM ^
it will take 5 years to come to a decision...
April 18th, 2016 at 12:14 PM ^
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