Thursday Recruitin' Gets Bad Info
Attrition, Expected and... Not So Expected
In a move that should surprise no one, three-star in-state ILB David Reese announced his decommitment from Michigan yesterday so he can find a program that will allow him to enroll early:
— REESE3⃣ (@Dreese18) December 10, 2015
The coaches assuredly saw that coming. That wasn't the case with the decommitment of three-star CA QB/ATH Victor Viramontes over the weekend, per 247's Clint Brewster ($):
The de-commitment came as a huge surprise to Michigan as coach John Baxter just saw Viramontes and reported back to Harbaugh that the visit went extremely well.
We have been told that Viramontes was given bad information from a member of his camp that Michigan wouldn’t give him a shot at quarterback and he would immediately be a fullback or linebacker, which is completely false.
'Crootin!
Sam Webb discussed the Viramontes situation extensively on his radio show Monday; alum96 was kind enough to write up a summary on the board that's well worth reading. The upshot: while Michigan wasn't expecting Viramontes to leave the class, they don't consider him a must-get—they'll continue to pursue him but at this point there are other uncommitted prospects who are higher priorities.
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A Newsworthy Thing That May Mean Nothing
Me and @VertHill21 will be committing on the same day, stay tune
— Donnie Corley (@Hit_Squad9) December 7, 2015
That tweet from Donnie Corley set off a firestorm of speculation about the possibilty he and LaVert Hill could end up at the same school, speculation only fueled by subsequent comments suggesting as much from Corley, like this one he gave TMI's Josh Newkirk ($):
Yet, the bigger question remains: will they be a package deal at the next level?
Well, if its up to Corley, that would be the case, as he spoke on the possibility of playing with Hill in college today with The Michigan Insider.
“There is a significant chance that happens,” Corley said of choosing the same school as Hill, adding: “It would mean a lot, because we’ve been playing with each other for so long. That’s what we are trying to do, make big changes.”
Michigan State has long been the presumed leader for Corley, and while they haven't been a significant player for Hill recently, the departure of DJ Durkin could open the door a crack, according to Webb ($). It seems unlikely Corley and Hill would both wind up at Michigan. The expectation is still that Corley winds up at MSU and Hill follows his older brother to Michigan, but that may not be as much of a lock as many hoped. In a postive sign, Hill is taking an official to Michigan this weekend, something he hadn't locked in until this week—the coaches will get their chance to assure him the change at DC shouldn't affect his recruiting outlook.
A New WR Possibility, Plus An Old One, Too
2016 three-star TN WR Nate Johnson has seen his recruitment take off in the last week, adding offers from Miami (YTM), Penn State, South Carolina, and Tennessee to a list that had previously featured mostly FCS offers. Michigan entered the fray yesterday, and The Wolverine's Tim Sullivan reports he'll take an official visit this weekend, and while Johnson has other officials set up, the upcoming dead period gives Michigan an advantage ($):
There isn't much time for programs to make moves with him. Less than two months remain before National Signing Day, and when he returns from Michigan, a month-long dead period, stretching Dec. 14-Jan. 13, begins. However, he has January officials lined up to try to sort through what has suddenly become a complex process.
"I've got Miami on the 15th, I've got Vanderbilt on the 22nd, and I've got Northwestern on the 29th," he said of his trips after the New Year. "My final decision right now is Signing Day. I don't know if something may come sooner, we'll see."
Whether or not anything develops this weekend, Michigan looks to be in good shape. They're also back into the mix with three-star Paramus Catholic WR Donald Stewart after he received a visit from the coaches this week:
Paramus (NJ) Catholic WR Donald Stewart after his in-home visit with #Michigan said his interest is "very very high" pic.twitter.com/DIvkDC4H2J
— Brice Marich (@BriceMarich) December 9, 2015
Stewart looked very likely to end up in the class earlier in the cycle before Stanford and others came on strong; if Michigan is making a late push they could find themselves back at the top of the list.
The above doesn't mean they're giving up on their top targets; Brewster reports Michigan made their second in-home visit with four-star CA WR Dylan Crawford in a week's span on Tuesday. It's still a Michigan-Oregon battle for him.
Rivals Rankings Update: Peters Up, Onwenu and Swenson Down
Rivals released their updated top 250 earlier this week. Brandon Peters, who was named Indiana's Mr. Football this week, featured as one of the top risers, shooting up 102 spots to #140 overall:
"Peters had a big season en route to being named Mr. Football in Indiana. One area he improved from where we last saw him in the spring was arm mechanics and accuracy. The Michigan commit has always had a big arm, but tended to spray the football. This season his motion was much more consistent and that resulted in greater accuracy with the football." -- Helmholdt
On the flip side was Michael Onwenu, who dropped from #83 to #157:
"Onwenu was outstanding at the Rivals100 Five-Star Challenge last June, nearly taking home offensive line MVP honors. In game action this season, though, Onwenu was limited in his ability to handle blocks that were not directly in front of him. The 6-foot-3, 367-pound Michigan commit does have good feet for his size, but in comparison with other offensive guards he still has work to do in that area." -- Helmholdt
I thought Onwenu did a solid job of getting to the second level, especially while playing out of position at tackle, when I saw him this year; that said, he could definitely use to lose a little weight to keep him lighter on his feet throughout the course of an entire game.
Erik Swenson also dropped a ways—from #115 to #223—after Helmholdt "did not see the progression" he expected during Swenson's senior season; while he says Swenson is still an "outstanding prospect," he sees him as a future right tackle, which limits his upside.
Etc.
Three-star PA ATH Khaleke Hudson will take his official to Ann Arbor the weekend of January 15th, per Lorenz.
Scout's Kyle Bogie has a free update on 2017 Ann Arbor Pioneer ATH Antjuan Simmons.
Michigan entended offers to a pair of 2017 prospects with NOTY-worthy names: four-star CA CB Deommodore Lenoir and three-star FL CB Trajan Bandy, per multiple outlets.
Daelin Hayes committed to Notre Dame. Happy trails to him.
Alum96 with a diary projecting the rest of the 2016 class.
December 10th, 2015 at 2:22 PM ^
On the plus side, Michigan is trending up for David Long, Jr. If I had the choice between Long and Hill, I would take Long. So there's that.
December 10th, 2015 at 2:37 PM ^
David Long just canceled his OV to Washington
December 10th, 2015 at 3:32 PM ^
Whoa, that's big news.
December 10th, 2015 at 2:43 PM ^
Great news about Long. Can you devulge any info about where the uptrend is sourced and how soild it looks?
December 10th, 2015 at 2:49 PM ^
It seems to have been trending in that direction for a couple months. There's nothing specific I can give you (such as an announcement date for him to flip or anything), but Michigan has made him a priority all along, which has helped. They've been telling him he's the #1 corner on their board. They've shown him what they can do with Jourdan Lewis and Jabrill Peppers, and they think he can be used in similar ways to Peppers (aka putting the ball in his hands).
December 10th, 2015 at 3:08 PM ^
If Harbaugh hires Anderson, Long is blue for sure. Even if they don't hire him, you have to feel good about their shot with Long.
December 10th, 2015 at 2:28 PM ^
6'3", 360?
I was 6'6", 180 pounds when I graduated high school.
Forget football. For the sake of his heart and his health now and in the future, I hope Onwenu loses some weight.
December 10th, 2015 at 2:32 PM ^
367(!) he weighs 215 pounds more than me. That is me, plus my wife, plus two 40 pound suitcases, PLUS 25 MORE POUNDS! My whole family can get on a plane for a month for less than he weighs!
December 10th, 2015 at 2:44 PM ^
You are tiny.
December 10th, 2015 at 2:49 PM ^
I've got 5 on Pacquiao and Mayweather
December 10th, 2015 at 2:52 PM ^
Yeah, but that's only after they've starved themselves and sat in a sauna for 48 hours.
December 10th, 2015 at 2:51 PM ^
For some it is difficult put on weight/bulk up, Lamar!
December 10th, 2015 at 3:22 PM ^
I'm 14bs lighter than Quigley. Which is a big reason I didn't play football at Michigan, I guess.
December 10th, 2015 at 6:30 PM ^
December 10th, 2015 at 3:26 PM ^
If you're over 5'6" and under 6'3"... 150 lbs is in the "normal" weight range.
It's dead center in the middle of normal to be 5'10" and 150lbs.
December 10th, 2015 at 3:33 PM ^
I'm 46 and a shade under 5-10 without shoes, average build, and I weigh about 175.
December 10th, 2015 at 4:13 PM ^
I'm 41.
I'm 6'0" and weigh somewhere between 155 and 160. I'm dead center in the middle of the recommended "normal" range.
At 5'10" and 175lbs, you are right on the border between "normal" and "overweight".
December 10th, 2015 at 4:23 PM ^
December 10th, 2015 at 4:31 PM ^
Every doctor in the world would refer to you as overweight.
Overweight doe not mean fat. It mean just plain overweight.
One can overload their body with muscle just as well as fat, and excess weight (no matter the source) has negative health effects.
The most important thing is to be healthy - but given equal health, the person with a normal BMI is at lower risk than someone with an overweight BMI.
Unhealthy/High BMI < Unhealthy/normal BMI < Healthy/High BMI < Healthy/Normal BMI
December 10th, 2015 at 5:22 PM ^
Is quite possibly the worst way to calculate overweight/underweight.
December 10th, 2015 at 5:39 PM ^
December 10th, 2015 at 5:50 PM ^
BMI is a horrible measure of health and body fat - because it doesn't in any way differentiate between muscle weight and body fat.
...but it's still a good way to measure over weight loading on the body.
Being "overwight" stresses the body no matter what the source of weight... sort of like an overloaded truck doesn't care what it is loaded with.
There is a reason a guy with a 30 BMI and 5% bodyfat is more susceptible to osteoarthritis and other joint issues than a guy with a 20 BMI and 15% body fat.
The former is more likely to have joint problems, the latter to have cardiovascular issues.
December 11th, 2015 at 1:30 PM ^
It isn't the weight of the muscles causing those problems. A person doesn't naturally get large muscles and little bodyfat. You have to work out (weights, cardio, etc...). It is these activities tha can wear the joints down. It isn't the weight of your muscles.
You are correct in one area. One can develop your muscles too much and your skeleton can have a hard time supporting it.
BMI still sucks.
December 11th, 2015 at 1:35 PM ^
It isn't the weight of the muscles causing those problems.
It's not ONLY the weight of the muscles causing those problems - but excess weight, regardless of source, has negative effects.
December 10th, 2015 at 8:01 PM ^
I would disagree with you 100%. At one point I was 5'10 180 lbs with 4.5% body fat and a resting heart rate of 55, but your idiotic chart would consider me overweight. My doctor definitely didn't tell me I was overweight asking what I did to get into such good shape.
December 11th, 2015 at 1:34 PM ^
BMI is absolutely NOT a measure of body fat.
BMI is measure of body mass relative to the square of height. BMI, in a statistically normal population, is a proxy for body fat... but it is absolutely in no way a measure of body fat.
5'10 180 lbs with 4.5% body fat and a resting heart rate of 55 - is statistically overweight.
All else equal, and over a large sample - it would be healthier to be lighter.
If we have 1,000 people who are 5'10 180 lbs with 4.5% body fat and a resting heart rate of 55... and we have 1,000 people who are 5'10 160 lbs with 4.5% body fat and a resting heart rate of 55
The former group will have more negative health outcomes than the latter.
December 10th, 2015 at 4:54 PM ^
December 10th, 2015 at 5:54 PM ^
BMI is not a good way to measure overall health, and as a proxy for body fat it fails miserably for folks who are outside societal norms.
BMI is a relatively good way to measure body overloading in terms of weight.
December 10th, 2015 at 7:08 PM ^
We're biological systems. There about a million variables to how well someone who is 5'10" can carry 230 lbs. BMI is hot garbage and useless.
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December 11th, 2015 at 1:39 PM ^
We're biological systems. There about a million variables to how well someone who is 5'10" can carry 230 lbs.
Yes... and as biological systems - we fall right in line with a normal bell curve distribution on just about all aspects.
BMI, like any statistical measure - is useful in the aggregate. A statistical failure rate of 10% doesn't mean you 1 out of every 10 parts will be bad.
Another intersting thing is that when BMI is compared to body fat percentage - BMI significantly UNDER reports obesity in real populations.
December 10th, 2015 at 3:35 PM ^
6'2" and 150 is not normal in the US. maybe in somalia.
December 10th, 2015 at 4:16 PM ^
Normal has a number of meanings.
1) conforming to a type or standard
2) according with, constituting, or not deviating from a norm, rule, or principle
6'2", 150 is "normal" but not the "norm".
About 70% of all adults in the USA are overweight.
December 10th, 2015 at 5:38 PM ^
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December 10th, 2015 at 4:35 PM ^
I'm 6', 155lbs in this picture:
December 10th, 2015 at 4:57 PM ^
That chest is concave
December 10th, 2015 at 5:08 PM ^
Eh... I wear a 42L sport coat. I ain't THAT skinny.
December 10th, 2015 at 7:22 PM ^
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December 10th, 2015 at 5:07 PM ^
"Every rib of mine would easily be visible"
Ummm... if you aren't overweight - every rib SHOULD be visible... just like a dog, if you run your hands over your ribcage and can't feel ribs - you're carrying too much weight in the midsection.
December 10th, 2015 at 7:02 PM ^
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December 11th, 2015 at 1:44 PM ^
Just bodyweight stuff now... janky shoulders make bench pressing any significant weight untenable.
...but even when I was lifting regularly, I wasn't any bigger. Back in the day (before jobs and kids) when I lifted regularly I got my max bench press up to about 265lbs - and I was 6'1", 160lbs.
December 12th, 2015 at 12:03 AM ^
You've gone from making up "health facts" to making up numbers for your own lifts.
December 15th, 2015 at 1:23 PM ^
Eh... believe it or don't, I couldn't possibly care less.
December 11th, 2015 at 12:32 AM ^
Bruising when tapped on the shoulder is far worse for one's health than your faulty notion of "overloading the body." Protip: don't take nutritional advice from woo peddlers who insist that lifting weights in any manner will cause you to die a painful death.
December 10th, 2015 at 4:59 PM ^
6'3" - 335
December 10th, 2015 at 5:11 PM ^
If he were 6'3"... he'd probably weigh more than that.
He's about 5'8" and definitely 250+.
His brother is about 5'4" and 300lbs.
December 10th, 2015 at 5:00 PM ^
someone needs a double whopper with cheese
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