OT - "Urban Meyer said JT Barrett has to undergo counseling thru OSU & "forfeited his scholarship for one term"
On top of being suspended for the Minnesota game on November 7th.
Source: https://twitter.com/BruceFeldmanCFB/status/661222895939485696
Since JT is an out-of-state student, a semester's worth of tuition would be roughly ~$13,700, which is excluding room-and-board because I don't know if that is included in the punishment.
EDIT: Barrett will be losing his scholarship for the summer term, which is based on credit hours and not a flat tuition. (https://twitter.com/GerdOZone/status/661236358334296064). So... a 3 credit hour course is roughly ~$3,300. IIRC, when Mewhort and Stoneburner's scholarships were revoked it was about $6,600 lost (2 summer courses).November 2nd, 2015 at 12:23 PM ^
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November 2nd, 2015 at 12:39 PM ^
but legit.
November 2nd, 2015 at 12:59 PM ^
how so?
November 2nd, 2015 at 1:08 PM ^
JT Barrett lost his "summer aid in 2016." And he can potentially earn it back. I still think a 1-game suspension more than fits the crime here, but I think this whole losing his summer aid business is just media propaganda to make Urban Meyer look better after the Bill O'Reilly interview. It is a punishment with no teeth that sounds a lot worse than it really is. JT Barrett will not lose his scholarship for the fall or spring term and all the rights that go with being a scholarship athlete (like training table). Nor should he. Barrett just got busted at the wrong time after Urban Meyer gave a poor response to a crappy Bill O'Reilly interview. Just a pawn in the game.
Per OSU, J.T. Barrett won't lose his scholarship, but rather his summer financial aid, which he can get back.
— Tony Gerdeman (@GerdOZone) November 2, 2015
November 2nd, 2015 at 1:19 PM ^
I'm assuming he is required to be enrolled during this time to participate in summer team activities, correct? Otherwise, there's nothing stopping him from being like just about every other college student and taking the summer off.
November 2nd, 2015 at 1:31 PM ^
Fall camp that starts in August is technically part of the fall semester. Spring practice is during the spring/winter (whatever they call it) semester. There are no official team activities during the summer. There are technically voluntary workouts with strength and conditioning, and I don't know if you even need to be enrolled to participate. Coaches have limited if any official contact with players during the summer by NCAA rules. Only recently did they start relaxing those rules for basketball, but I don't think it has happened for football yet. And it is a lot easier to be technically enrolled for summer financially than it is for a fall or winter semester as usually summer tuition is cheaper and often charged by credit hour depending on the institution.
November 2nd, 2015 at 1:38 PM ^
I always thought that OSU ran on a quarter system.
November 2nd, 2015 at 1:40 PM ^
They moved to a semester system I believe. Either way, I wouldn't be surprised to see a tuition difference for the summer quarter. Most schools do not charge the same rate for a summer semester, quarter or whatever you want to call it.
November 3rd, 2015 at 7:25 AM ^
Actually, the process had been in the works for a while, the change to semesters did take place in 2012. But it was talked about when I was a freshman back in 1988 and probably before.
November 2nd, 2015 at 2:33 PM ^
More than you know
November 2nd, 2015 at 1:39 PM ^
at Ohio State. The whole incident still bespeaks poor decision-making by the young quarterback. God forbid, he might throw an ill-timed interception that compromises a game, in which case a one game suspension would hardly track a response from the faithful, except to pile on with greater antipathy and suggestions that he never play another down.
But, have the kid try to back out of a publicly advertised police checkpoint for motorist sobriety in the vicinity of well-known Columbus nightlife, and your friendly public servants are more than willing to let your slippery subject be released into the hands of his competitive understudy.
All is well in love and an undefeated season with the defense of your national championship on the line when the cops give you a misdemeanor ticket for multiple possible offenses instead of mandatory detainment for sobriety after blowing well beyond the limit for an underage drinlker, a charge simply ignored for ourintrepid dual threat signal caller.
Of course, misdemeanor offenses result in only single game suspensions in Buckeyeworld, where the idea of a misdemeanor offense depends on which school you face on the schedule after your bye. Since it's the Golden Gophers, no big deal, Cardale Jones can this without worry.
It's a Michigan Monday in the no fly zone. And, of course, Tony Gerdemen, reminds that a financial penalty attached to the Barrett suspension could simply go away under certain circumstaces. Wonder if Tony has a snarky rationale for chiming in with that disclosure. Redemption or bust. At least, Barrett didn't put the school in hot water with the NCAA by driving some brand new car with dealer plates, as was initially reported. Now there's real redempton. I think that alone ought to earn Barrett the return of his summer aid package. Or may be he could what other students do, and get a summer job. Nope, probably not happening.
November 2nd, 2015 at 3:58 PM ^
Doesn't mean that Check Points aren't bull shit. He got caught drunk driving, he will be punished by the courts for his mistake. Just like you or I would if we had similar poor judgement. The same punishment would happen almost anywhere. What should they do? Kick him off the team, ruin his life because he is a young man making young man mistakes? I hope you hold yourself and our team to the same standard you do others.
November 2nd, 2015 at 10:00 PM ^
Does losing his financial aid mean he has to give back the new car?
November 2nd, 2015 at 1:07 PM ^
NFL Player gets pulled over for a DUI. The NFL suspends the player for only 1 game but, while he can play the rest of the season, he forfeits the rest of his salary.
November 2nd, 2015 at 4:11 PM ^
This is not right. They get suspended and lose a game check first offense. Previously they had no suspension and 2 game check penalty. That being said, employers should not get free service because an employee did something when they aren't at work. Don't like your employees actions? Fire him or let the courts enforce laws.
November 2nd, 2015 at 1:23 PM ^
November 2nd, 2015 at 6:36 PM ^
Let's just say he does get his scholarship for this semester revoked. How much of a scam would that be? I understand it's not a normal "job" because Barrett wants to play, but imagine you screw up as an employee and your boss says, "You're not fired. You're just working without pay for the next couple months." Uh, yeah, OK. Fuck you, I'm out.
November 2nd, 2015 at 12:24 PM ^
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Did anyone really expect him to be suspended further?
November 2nd, 2015 at 1:20 PM ^
I did not. I mean, JT is a first-time offender. A one-game suspension is pretty par for the course throughout college football and I don't understand how anyone could have expected more. I know we as Michigan fans would like to see his missing more time, but that won't happen.
November 2nd, 2015 at 1:21 PM ^
Check any number of similar cases in recent years at other schools, and one game is the norm. Including at the University of Michigan...see Graham Glasgow.
November 2nd, 2015 at 1:26 PM ^
Right.
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November 2nd, 2015 at 12:32 PM ^
Which, by OSU terms, means that a booster will accidentally lose ~$15,000 worth of cash right outside of JT Barrett's house/apartment/dorm room. It'll be his in 30 days after nobody claims it. Lucky bastard - I only find pennies and chewed gum on the sidewalk.
November 2nd, 2015 at 12:35 PM ^
It doesnt say WHICH term he will lose. My assumption initially way it would be the next term he'd be enrolled in school for but what it it's not? What if the term he's losing is the one say....the semester AFTER his eligibility is gone or he decides to turn pro?
The punishment would sure look harsh but maybe it isnt as bad as it seems. After all, he might be like Cardale and not really want to "play school" if he doesnt have to.
November 2nd, 2015 at 12:24 PM ^
Did he have to give the car back to the dealer as well? What next, no tats?
November 2nd, 2015 at 12:30 PM ^
Let's leave off of that. I saw the Bucknuts post but the rumor was wrong. It was a beat up 2003. If his car was a brand new freebie from the dealer lot it was probably Maurice Clarett's.
November 2nd, 2015 at 2:10 PM ^
Apologies. I'll recalibrate my sense of humor.
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November 2nd, 2015 at 12:29 PM ^
Don't think it would work that way. He is a counter from the fall term and thus would still count in the Spring even if he's paying his won way because he would still be enrolled in school.
November 2nd, 2015 at 12:50 PM ^
He's presumably either off scholarship from now until early January or from early January until early May. Either way, that doesn't help with recruiting except that it could allow you, in the latter instance, to enroll a guy early who you otherwise couldn't take on until the fall.
November 2nd, 2015 at 12:28 PM ^
I have been trying not to be sanctimonious about the situation because our own players have had DUI/OVI/whatever-the-acronym-is-at-the-time isues before. But now I definitely think we can agree that Urban has properly addressed the situation. As fans we think of things in terms of game suspensions, but as people we need to understand that counseling is a very good response to this incident, and we should hope JT doesn't have any alcohol problems beyond the normal 20-year-old college student.
Also, taking away his scholarship for a semester is pretty harsh, but warranted for somebody who has a higher standard to uphold in order to keep that scholarship. If a person did have underlying alcohol issues, I would say the counseling is the best response but that taking their scholarship might be unduly harsh. But here, I think it's a good response (and Urban knows JT better than any of us, obviously).
November 2nd, 2015 at 2:20 PM ^
I've been wondering lately when exactly we got to the point where game suspensions is the only appropriate punishment for players, regardless of infraction. This actually seems more appropriate to me, assuming OSU follows through on it.
November 2nd, 2015 at 2:42 PM ^
I imagine a good percentage of first-time offenders change their behavior after getting caught. I'm guessing Uber doesn't look so expensive/inconvenient to future NFL draft picks once they've gone through this.
A second offense shows an offender with a dangerous lack of self-serving adaptability.
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November 2nd, 2015 at 1:00 PM ^
The one game suspension seems to be the standard across college football for DUI/OVI arrests. The loss of scholarship for a semester is consistent with previous alcohol related issues- like Jake Stoneburner and Jack Mewhort. So, the punishment seems to suggest that there is nothing more to the story.
November 2nd, 2015 at 12:32 PM ^
1 game is the going rate in college football. Suspending his scholarship seems too harsh. That's like a $15k penalty.
November 2nd, 2015 at 12:33 PM ^
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with all the comments about Jameis and how Urban would have dismissed him from the team. Urban responds with a light punishment in terms of time missed, but a punishment that on the surface looks pretty harsh to the player. I have a feeling that someone is doing PR work for Urban and Ohio State.
November 2nd, 2015 at 12:34 PM ^
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November 2nd, 2015 at 12:35 PM ^
The GoFundMe route would have to be an NCAA violation, no?
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