WITHOUT hyperbole: Can we have an honest discussion on the trajectory of this football program?
I hate to use the word "unacceptable", but I feel I must. This is not RR's team, this is not due to attrition. This honestly felt like the Mississippi State bowl game. Completely dominated by a team who, let's be honest, is not a Top 10 quality team (in my opinion).
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I dont see the program going anywhere good this year(duh) but even next year is a head scratcher. I think the attendance numbers for the rest of the year now are really in jeopardy. And nothing forces change more than shit that doesnt sell. And this shit is DEF not gonna sell. My 2 cents. We have some good talent. Just waiting on who can tap the potential
September 6th, 2014 at 10:25 PM ^
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Embarrassing, but does happen
Hoke has to win one MSU and OSU game and go at least 10-3 (bowl win) to stay. Beating softies only does not cut it. The BIG is so bad it really should be 11-2.
The loss tonight is not the toughest thing to take, it's that we were so outcoached and the players are not improving and performing anywhere near the level they
need to to compete at the level Michigan used to be at.
September 6th, 2014 at 11:35 PM ^
Yeah, I had faith in Hoke this season. It really doesn't bother me that we least, at least as far as Hoke's future is concerned, but I really didn't expect this. Having said that, I was amazed to read on the front page that we actually outgained ND. I'm sure that has to do with the game being out of reach for a while but still.
I didn't expect the OL to be good against a good team, so I'd say I'm most disappointed in the DL.
September 6th, 2014 at 10:27 PM ^
Fire Hoke
Put Morris in
Fuck everything
Please fire Hoke
Harbaugh - any of them or their family members (including second cousins)
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Woo! 2015!
September 6th, 2014 at 10:28 PM ^
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future is as bright as our road record
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If you wanted a fair and rational discussion you wouldn't start it on the night of a bad loss.
September 6th, 2014 at 10:32 PM ^
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Michigan has a better chance of winning this game than having a hyperbole free conversation tonight.
Michigan hasn't beet a ranked opponent on the raod in 8 years according to NBC.
Holy shit.
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The problem seems to be "everything." UM is getting killed by a team that seems ranked about right (15-20 range). UM doesn't seem particularly fast. Or strong. Or motivated. Or well-coached. Or skilled. They just seem terribly mediocre and outclassed in virtually every way. And in all likelihood, with the state of the Big Ten, UM will still end up with a successful enough record to go to a pretty good bowl game and get flattened again. I am having a hard time finding any reason to think things are going to get better.
September 6th, 2014 at 10:42 PM ^
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best post of the night!
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That said, I will let the season play out before making a final conclusion, but rapid, sustained improvement is necessary or I will endorse a coaching change!
September 6th, 2014 at 10:38 PM ^
Dierdorf also used the term, 'unacceptable' a few minutes ago, while mentioning the offensive talent this team has. I just turned the game off after the second Gardner pick, down 28-0.
Things are not looking good. Now what?
September 6th, 2014 at 10:38 PM ^
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September 6th, 2014 at 10:39 PM ^
Dierdorf also used the term, 'unacceptable' a few minutes ago, in the context of the offensive talent this team has. I just turned the game off after the second Gardner pick, down 28-0.
Things are not looking good. Now what?
September 6th, 2014 at 10:42 PM ^
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September 6th, 2014 at 10:43 PM ^
no substance for over a decade. Holding on desperately to a past that's now 25 years in the rear view mirror.
We've become Alabama before Saban, desperately trying to ressurect The Bear, eventually selling their souls for a few wins. I hope it doesn't come to that but this shit is just painfull to watch.
September 6th, 2014 at 11:33 PM ^
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DB's can't cover anyone. (#2,#24 just awful)
LB's miss tackles and are out of position.(#47)
DL cannot get any meaningful pressure on the QB.
OL cannot block or open holes.
QB turns the ball over.
RB's cannot run the ball.
#60 has gotten out-manned on the line.
Even the one bright spot - #1 dropped a key 3ed down pass.
Hoke has that stupid befuddled look on his face.
I'm sorry, but I do not see any difference in this years team from last years, if anything, they actually look worse then last years team. Miller just gave up another sack. Bad coaching,terrible night to be a wolverine.
September 6th, 2014 at 10:43 PM ^
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How many seniors do we have on this team?
How many upperclassman on are the offensive line.
It's bullshit that this isn't still RR's fault.
Hoke still has to prove himself but to ignore how this team was decimated is being beng blind. Let the 2015 and 2016 recruiting classes be destroyed and see how that goes. Oh wait we are already seeing what happens.
September 7th, 2014 at 10:25 AM ^
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Until we have an experienced O-line again. Year 1 with a solid O-line showed something. The line has swiss cheese every since - which is not all his fault. I give him two more years. Either that or the next guy will look great with a mature team.
September 6th, 2014 at 10:48 PM ^
hasn't given up 31 points, and in fact have played better this year than last. You remember last year when Michigan scored 41 points, don't you?
September 6th, 2014 at 11:39 PM ^
And that was a different line with two senior, about-to-be NFL lineman and the only coherent offensive game plan of the season.
Mattison got his scissors rocked after ND's first TD "drive". If the majority here thinks either PI on that drive was legit, I'll calm down, but I think it affected the DBs and they picked apart after and looked hesitant. Meanwhile, the third down drop by Funchess that some people mentioned, his left arm was clearly jarred before the ball arrived.
We weren't prepared, they were. We're not that bad, and they're not that good. And let's be honest, before we saw the O-line last week, we didn't really expect to win this one. Just hopeful because we bleed Blue.
September 6th, 2014 at 11:39 PM ^
was a line full of upperclassmen, some with a lot of experience, and UM couldn't get production from their RB's that year.
September 6th, 2014 at 10:44 PM ^
This really sucks because I LOVE Hoke and Mattison from a personality standpoint, and was REALLY hoping for them to look competent this season...but this is flat-out embarrasing! This team is soft! Not being able to execute the simplest plays and lacking basic mechanics is embarrasing. Not being able to motivate a team in a hostile environment is embarrasing. Not being able to convert a FG is dissapointing. Not being able to hang on to the football is dissapointing. Playing a press-man defense against sub-par competition, and reverting back to the bend-but-dont-break defense against a good team is dissapointing.
This game has me questioning both Funk and Mattison, and ultimately questioning Hoke as the leader of this program. Unfortunately I don't believe anyone can come in here and give us a better chance to win next season...other than potentially Jim Harbaugh, who's a looooooooong shot to leave the NFL.
Once again, this team is soft...and I'm tired of seeing great talent being wasted. As I'm typing this the announcers come on and say "Michigan hasn't beaten a ranked team on the road in 8 years." 8 fuckin years! Unacceptable. It's time to put-up or shut-up, and this staff has 10+ more games to turn this thing around...but if past results have anything to do with the future outlook of this program, things are not looking bright. I can't convey into words how much I hope we can turn this team around, but if it doesn't happen we need to be willing to bring in someone who has the balls to toughen these young men up.
Losses I can deal with, losing and repeatedly being SOFT is just not acceptable! And it's been going on for far too fucking long...
September 6th, 2014 at 10:45 PM ^
You know when you unwind your hose to wash your car in the driveway, and only dribbles of water come out due to a kink in the line? That's the trajectory I'm seeing now.
There is absolutely no excuse to be getting blown out by a decimated ND team. Spare me the "we're young" nonsense. This staff does not develop talent.
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September 6th, 2014 at 10:46 PM ^
Honestly, I think we are all underestimating Notre Dame. This team is GOOD. Talented, full of five stars, with a stud of a quarterback. This team, IMO, has serious playoff potential. With the shit show that is going on in Columbus right now, it appears that Ohio State is in a similar situation against a worse team. The rest of the B1G proved today that they really are nothing to be worried about. I see a good chance to beat both Penn State and Ohio State, leaving a plethora of very below average teams left to play as well as Michigan State, whom we will most definitely lose to. Hey, I'll take 10-2 with one B1G loss any day. There definitely are some positives to take away from today (not necessarily in the ND game). We got a lot to work on but there's a chance we can overcome this.
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