Brenda Tracy on why she went public with Mel Tucker allegations

Submitted by Communist Football on September 12th, 2023 at 2:38 PM

Brenda Tracy, via her lawyer Karen Truszkowski, explains why she went public with her story. Someone else leaked it to the press:

An outside party disclosed Brenda Tracy's identity to local media, which led to the USA Today story.

Brenda Tracy had no intention of publicly disclosing her identity. She was and continues to be committed to complying with and concluding the MSU internal investigative process. She respected the process and chose not to go to the media to preserve the integrity of the process.

After the investigation process was completed, we would have determined what, if any further steps to take. Instead, her identity was disclosed without her knowledge or consent, warranting express actions to protect her. Her choice to allow this process to proceed privately was taken away.

Let me be patently clear: Brenda Tracy had no intention of disclosing anything publicly until someone else violated her right to confidentiality.

Karen Truszkowski
Attorney for Brenda Tracy

KRK

September 12th, 2023 at 2:51 PM ^

Some people seemed to think someone at MSU, or someone close to the people in charge at MSU, leaked this to get the ball rolling on getting out of his contract. But I can't see the benefit to leaking it now and having them get seemly caught on their heels trying to defend why this was kept so hush hush. 

Maybe Mark D really wanted to get out of retirement and decided this was faster than filling out an application in the offseason.

KRK

September 12th, 2023 at 3:09 PM ^

I guess, but they seemed so caught off guard by the whole thing and if they did, why now and not a month ago before the season starts. This just makes them look like morons if it was them. Which, to be fair, they are morons so let's not put it past them. But it just seems wild they would be the leak in this when they were trying to cover it up/control the story. They seemed to have no control or response. The Presidents remarks were cringeworthy with the whole "MSU of today..." mantra repeated over and over again like it was a chant.

LDNfan

September 13th, 2023 at 1:33 AM ^

Doubt it was a group of MSU administrators that got together to agree to leak this...but certainly possible that someone went rogue and let this out or just mentioned it to someone. 

Was probably dumb to think they could keep something of this nature under wraps for a year. 

ST3

September 12th, 2023 at 3:05 PM ^

Who had the most to gain and who was in a position to know? I think it’s the booster who provided the private plane for his trip to Florida where he made the phone call.

For his moral turpitude clause to be triggered, the story had to go public. Just about everyone except the booster shelling out big bucks for a mediocre coach had reason to keep this quiet.

Colt Burgess

September 12th, 2023 at 3:58 PM ^

I don't understand why he admitted to masturbating. He denied everything, but admitted he was stroking himself? Of all the dumb moves he made, that was probably the dumbest of all. It is the one aspect of this debacle that will remain etched in people's minds. He embarrassed himself, his family, and the school with that one admission, and it is why he will be fired. 

LDNfan

September 13th, 2023 at 1:47 AM ^

No he's being fired for doing something stupid.  Not that he wasn't good at covering up doing something stupid. 

This take is really unhealthy.  Imagine if he had lied and not told the truth about masturbating on a call w a vendor. And this becomes simply another "he say...she say" situation.  Well the "she" in this case is someone who has been raped....has had to deal with the consequences and trauma of being abused in the worst possible way. Now, she has to go through some of that again.. with the added risk of losing everything she's built since including her recovery. 

Hes being fired because he should be fired...thank goodness he helped make that readily apparent. 

bronxblue

September 12th, 2023 at 2:58 PM ^

Yeah, I always assumed this story got out because someone other than her disclosed it.  It didn't make any sense otherwise, and clearly is part of MSU's plan to get him fired ASAP.

bronxblue

September 12th, 2023 at 3:33 PM ^

I think they ran into a deadline with the hearing on October 5th/6th.  That's likely to get out because nobody can keep that tight of a ship nowadays, and if you fire Tucker for cause (in order to keep your money) that has to be airtight because otherwise he's absolutely going to lawyer up to get his remaining $80M.  

So if they got the report in July (I didn't see an exact date but let's say mid-month) then you basically are looking at 6-8 weeks from then until now in which other lawyers look into it, meetings are held, etc.  This isn't some beyond the pale transgression that you have to act immediately; it's gross and inappropriate but cheating on your estranged wife with a vendor (which is the best interpretation possible for Tucker's side) isn't the highest priority for a school.  

But I do think after some analysis and discussions they may well have been leaning toward firing Tucker, and then you start leaking the story details so that you get the public behind you and maybe scare him away from fighting for the rest of the money.  That's naive but athletic departments and schools make idiotic decisions all the time.

ST3

September 12th, 2023 at 3:26 PM ^

I think a distinction should be made between MSU, the institution, and MSU, the football program (including boosters). 
The last thing the institution needs is another black eye. Their motivation is to keep it quiet, try to work out a confidential settlement that both sides can agree to. Perhaps they suspend Mel for confidential reasons that can’t be disclosed because that would harm innocent people. The contractual dollars aren’t coming out of MSU administrators’ pockets. A suspension without pay actually helps the bottom line. A public, lengthy, legal process where Mel can argue for a big ticket, going away package further hurts the budget.
Imagine you are the big donor who let Mel use your private plane. You’re interviewed to get material facts about the Florida trip. You know Mel is a sleeze-bag and a bad coach. (5-7 really stings after all the big bucks you paid out.) And yet, MSU is still allowing him to run out onto the sideline every week and collect a check. So you tip off USA Today to contact Tracy’s lawyer. The story is public, moral turpitude is established, Mel is gone.

bronxblue

September 12th, 2023 at 3:35 PM ^

I suspect both MSU the school and MSU the AD/football ecosystem had to come together and decide on a united front here.  This isn't a transgression you have to act on immediately, but you do need to resolve and some behind-the-doors tribunal in October wasn't going to go unnoticed/unreported.  So between July (when the report was delivered) and early September there were likely discussions internally on what to do and then at some point the decision was made to can him and then stories start getting out to make that move easier in the court of public opinion and, perhaps, to scare him away from seeking all the money he's still owed.

MeanJoe07

September 12th, 2023 at 3:02 PM ^

Sounds like something a lawyer would and should say.  MSU probably leaked it.  I wonder if they can explain the dozens of phone calls late at night lasting over 30 minutes on average.  She came to speak a few times, it wasn't like they had that much work related stuff to discuss. I don't talk to anyone that much on the phone. They were clearly romantically involved. It didn't occur to her that she should hang up when a dude 1000s of miles away is fapping on the other end of the line to completion. I'm pretty sure that's the first thing that would cross anyone's mind if they weren't down for that.  She makes $10k per speaking appearance. He wasn't her boss or have some special position of power over her well being. Even if he did it doesn't make sense. Her job is to teach men and woman how to avoid these situations and she's taking dozens of calls from a married man late at night. I don't think there's any crime here, but they are both liars and terrible people. 

Dennis

September 12th, 2023 at 3:15 PM ^

Idk man I think it's more complicated than that. You can have ideas in your head about who someone is and be attracted to that idea, and act on that idea... 

Up until the point the mirage clears and it's just you and some married idiot jacking it over the phone. 

Consent can shift vv quickly. 

Girlbleedsblue

September 12th, 2023 at 4:58 PM ^

My aunt was talking to my cousin's POS husband about something for her daughter, and after about five-ish minutes she heard him making weird noises. She asks him what he's doing, and he admits he was jerking off. She said it was disgusting and he just laughed and said it was no big deal. That wasn't consensual, and she did hang up ASAP. So it's not always possible to hang up before something gross happens. 

bronxblue

September 12th, 2023 at 3:43 PM ^

If you read the USA Today article they basically say the big reason they spoke at night was because both of them worked and were in significantly different timezones (Tucker EST, Tracy PST).  So him calling her at, say, 12:30 his time was 8:30 her time.  And it absolutely got more personal, but that is reasonable if you think you're generating a personal relationship with someone but that doesn't immediately have to be viewed as romantic.  Tracy probably clearly thought she had an advocate in Tucker and someone who'd support her cause, and so talking about things like mental health, family life, isn't unsurprising.  But it doesn't mean she expected it to become romantic, while it sure sounds like Tucker thought it did.

Again, if you believe that two adults of differing genders can't have a relationship that isn't romantic that's fine, but this post mostly comes across as a lot of victim blaming based mostly on a "if she didn't want him to masturbate over the phone she should have hung up immediately like I would have" hypothetical.   

Preacher Mike

September 12th, 2023 at 4:00 PM ^

The time difference between Michigan and California is three hours, not four, and you are going into quite a bit of wild speculation about the nature of the relationship here yourself. We do not really know what happened or what the content of their conversations were. I personally don't think Tracy's version of events totally adds up, and I also think Tucker was a fool and possibly a creep. Everyone taking strong sides in this whole drama are acting on motivated reasoning, not actual facts.

Wendyk5

September 12th, 2023 at 6:10 PM ^

The thing is, even if they weren't strictly platonic, if she didn't know that he was about to masturbate or in the process of masturbating, then it's wrong. Expressing your attraction for someone doesn't suddenly give you free reign to do whatever you want. If I had been dating my husband but nothing physical happened yet and he suddenly started masturbating on the phone, the relationship would've been over. 

MeanJoe07

September 12th, 2023 at 6:17 PM ^

It was totally platonic. Just some you know . . .  innocent few dozen or so 30+ minute calls after midnight for months on end discussing personal topics.  Just like most of us do with our good bros and gal friends.  I know I always have completely platonic weekly phone calls for 30+ minutes with all the women im really close with platonically so they know how much I support them.  My wife takes no issue with it.  It's all very kosher. My pants never come off.  

Wendyk5

September 12th, 2023 at 6:32 PM ^

This is your life and your world but it's not everyone's world. Some people actually do have platonic relationships with the opposite sex. For a long time, my best friend was a guy. I was the "best man" at his wedding. He and my husband were friends. Before either of us got married, we talked every day on the phone. He lived across the country. 

UMgradMSUdad

September 12th, 2023 at 7:26 PM ^

My wife's best friend is a former colleague and there was a time they spent a lot of time together. He lived woth his wife 90 miles from where he worked so he had a small apartment near where they worked.

His wife of 30+ years decided to divorce him an hired a PI to follow him around. His wife was told he and my wife spent a lot of time together and she included my wife as a witness for the divorce hearing as a "presumed paramour." My wife came up with the idea of including me as a witness and she was dropped as a witness.

My wife's friend became a close family friend. At first I was skeptical of his relationship with my wife but once I got to know him better I knew it was a platonic friendship. 

Wendyk5

September 12th, 2023 at 7:46 PM ^

I know that conventional wisdom says that men and women can't be friends but I've always had guy friends. I like male company, that's why I come here. I'm not romantically interested in any of you. I love the banter and the male camaraderie. We may be few and far between but there are women out there who just want to hang with the guys and there's nothing else to it. 

KO Stradivarius

September 12th, 2023 at 10:16 PM ^

I have a daughter and I've often thought how bad it must suck for females to have to beware of the guy friend who "gets the wrong idea".  To always wonder if you are being "too friendly" and nervous about a guy friend thinking that you feel the same way he does just because you're being yourself. 

It is a simple thing yet somehow there are these basic misunderstandings.  I always believed that if a woman is interested romantically it should be pretty obvious and almost impossible to misunderstand.    

MeanJoe07

September 12th, 2023 at 6:06 PM ^

In today's climate, I understand why people are allergic to the idea that the alleged victim could have any responsibility or be in the wrong, but I think it's important to make a distinction between actual victim blaming and having an adult discussion about the situation and what the evidence and common sense points to. The way this is always framed: one person is the clear victim and the other is the offender is not done in good faith. It's not a reflection of reality. Sometimes it does happen that way, but both could be culpable and to varying degrees. In this situation no one was raped, touched, or anything objective/physical/tangible in terms of evidence other than phone records and their word. We're talking about a distant phone conversation that can end with the click of a button not someone cornered in a room. Common sense tells me that a married man and another woman having dozens of long phone conversations late at night and outside of work about highly personal topics alludes to a romantic or sexual relationship. It certainly creates that appearance. If you think that's reasonable then good luck explaining something like that to your spouse. Theoretically, sure it could be completely platonic, but is that likely? C'mon man.  If a man can lose $80M dollars and probably more after the divorce based on phone sex and one person's accusation, then who is actually in the position of power?  This woman literally specializes in helping people avoid these situations.  It's clear to me that they are both more than likely victims of their own stupidity and poor decision making than anything else. If you want to defend her then fine.  I guess we can pretend that women never go after men with lots of money and it's always just men that make terrible decisions in the pursuit of sexual gratification. To suggest anything else is possible is victim blaming!  C'mon . . . get real.

JBLPSYCHED

September 12th, 2023 at 7:19 PM ^

Actually I think he is approaching this like a neanderthal man with a lizard brain. Portraying so-called common sense and speculation as truth may have been common practice a long time ago but these days, after centuries and longer of men harassing/abusing women and rationalizing that "she wanted it as much as I did," that shit no longer flies. Look at yourself in the mirror and tell the truth MeanJoe. You don't get it.

MeanJoe07

September 12th, 2023 at 10:50 PM ^

Which part is speculation?  The  USA today article said they spoke at least 27 times for an average of 30 minutes. Often outside work hours late at night. That's at least 13 plus hours on the phone over a few months.  She accepted gifts from him. They both said they discussed personal and private matters. Eventually, he masturbated on the phone for several minutes. Everyone thing else is he said vs. She said. She said she froze and couldn't hang up. He said she was okay with it.  Then apparently they didn't speak for several months and he said she broke his trust.  She said he threatened to ruin her.  Conveniently they both deleted all their texts messages. Given those details, I have a difficult time believing this was a complete platonic thing between the two of them and he just suddenly whipped out his dick and she couldn't hang up. Even if it was, the implication of all that contact is at the very least the appearance of a relationship that's inappropriate given her history, career, prior work with MSU and his position as a high profile representative of the university.  I don't understand how pointing out their stories seem shady and they both seem to be shitty is saying victims of abuse wanted it. That's a pretty big leap.