Rumors swirling that the B1G is adding Oregon, Washington, FSU and Clemson this week
Jack McGuire of Barstool Sports is reporting this...
This would be nuts and groundbreaking if true - adding Clemson seems like a stretch as they are not close to a fit outside of athletics. He says "this week" so we will find out soon.
My wife is a Seminole so it would make our household rooting dynamics much more interesting!!!
compared to msu and ohio state......
I agree 100 and I've said this 1000 times.
The B1G has never allowed a University to become a member unless they belonged to the AAU. Both these two, do not.
“Sources” have told Brett McMurphy/ActionNewsHQ that while AAU status is preferred, it is not required for B1G membership consideration.
https://twitter.com/brett_mcmurphy/status/1666452183556947968?s=46&t=KBFYyyuDBE9KuWjE-WUrrg
This whole AAU thing is BS. If Notre Dame wanted to join the B10, would the league say, "Thanks. But you're not a member of the AAU. So no thanks."?
It's all about the $$$. This is a sports league, with TV revenue being the gatekeeper, fergodsakes.
First, I did not say it was a deal breaker, I simply stated FACT. I dont give one or two shits if they are members.
Second, as much as you want to blow hot air, the FACT still remains that the B1G has never admitted a new member that was not a member of the AAU. It may seem very simple in your little brain but it is obviously more complex than you are able to comprehend.
Third, you blatantly contradict yourself with this line "It's all about the $$$. This is a sports league, with TV revenue being the gatekeeper". Do you have any idea the size of the TV market Clemson brings? It's about as big as Mt Pleasant Mi.
"fergodsakes"
Wow, that escalated quickly. Little brain? Project much?
I know quite a bit about TV. I worked in cable and am now in the streaming space. I worked with our network execs on negotiating deals with MSOs. So please spare me with your depth of industry knowledge.
Clemson is a big brand and its alums are spread out, especially in large metros like Atlanta amd Charlotte. I used to live in ATL so I know. No one is looking to lock up the Greenville/Spartanburg MSA.
As for the AAU, it's plain conjecture. Just because they happen to admit AAU members to the B10 when they admitted Rutgers (NY MSA), Maryland (DC MSA), Penn State (Philly and Pittsburgh) and Nebraska (KC and nationwide fanbase) doesn't mean that's the ultimate criteria.
If it's between picking up schools by locking up more TV revenue vs AAU membership, you can guess which one gets the nod.
If you think they would pass up a good school like FSU which brings Tampa, Orlando and Miami MSAs because it's not an AAU school, then I hope you're not the guy negotiating the TV revenue deals for the league.
August 4th, 2023 at 11:05 PM ^
This aged well, didnt it.
Again, being a member of the AAU is mandatory, until it isnt and it still is, with the addition of Oregon and Washington and Cal and Stanford soon to follow.
The only reason Oregon and Washington were admitted before the other two is that they had no leverage while Cal and Stanford (both AAU members) reside in the 5th biggest TV market which provides them much more leverage and may not have to give up as much.
All that TV and Streaming knowledge you boast of did wonders on this topic, didnt it.
Notre Dame is an AAU member though.
That's right and I stand corrected. They just joined this year.
But my point was that very likely was not why they weren't invited or didn't join the B10 before this year. I doubt the league excluded them for this or why ND hasn't joined.
They've been approached multiple times according to a variety of sources. To ND, it's about keeping their precious and lucrative TV deal.
August 4th, 2023 at 11:06 PM ^
They didnt join, they were admitted.
August 1st, 2023 at 12:59 PM ^
What keeps FSU out, at this stage, as a school that's more highly ranked than two-thirds of the B1G, is that it doesn't have an engineering school. The school has been actively working to make itself eligible--as part of official planning--for several decades. Same reason FSU opened the first new med school in the country in 2000; it has a unique and innovative focus in rural health. Liberal arts-based institutions will struggle to meet the criteria. May not mean that they're not delivering a quality education. DOES mean (important to concede) that the basis for shared research, joint proposed funding, might be harder to come by.
FSU has an engineering school (oddly shared with FAMU, but still counts as FSU’s, too.) What they lack is a medical center to go with their newish medical school. It’s essentially what got Nebraska kicked out of the AAU (their affiliated hospital was in Omaha not Lincoln so the AAU decided not to count the revenue it brought in as part of UNL’s research budget.)
Thanks for correcting me; I had just read this, and accepted it, even though I live in Tallahassee and have taught at FSU. There are some ongoing efforts to tie the med school more closely to Tallahassee hospitals.
August 5th, 2023 at 12:36 AM ^
You people are stuck on this notion that "rankings" matter, they do not. It's membership to the AAU that matters when considering academics not any voodoo rankings.
I would think that given recent controversies surrounding changes in public education policy in the state of Florida that the B1G would be very cautious about adding any Florida public school to the conference.
Great point, I know that I am not traveling to that cesspool any time soon.
Yeah I saw this little rumor last night and thought similar.
UDub & Oregon are pretty much locks IMO to join.
Getting some teams from the Southeast is interesting. But Clemson makes no sense to me. They are a powerhouse now but were nothing for decades. They've certainly raised they're national profile but that was from nothing to something and could easily go back to nothing.
Florida is the team the B1G would covet. But I doubt they leave SEC. FSU would be a good steal at 2nd choice. I think academically they would be at par with the lower end of the B1G. I have no clue where Clemsons academics are.
Was looking at US News and World Reports Rankings. FSU and Washington are at 55 and Clemson is at 77. Oregon is 105. I didn't write all of them down, but some of the major schools with good football I did. I quit at 105.
3 Stanford
10 NW
18 ND
20 Berkley/UCLA
25 Michigan/USC/Virginia
29 Florida/UNC
36 BC
38 Wisconsin/Texas
41 IL
44 Georgia Tech
49 OSU/Georgia
51 Purdue
55 FSU/Rutgers/Maryland/Miami (YTM)/Washington
62 MN/Syracuse/Pitt/ Va Tech
72 IU
77 MSU/Clemson/Baylor/PSU
83 Iowa
105 Oregon
EDIT: I just spent 20 minutes looking at school rankings due to a Barstool Sports report?! Send the OP to Bolivia!
This is good but the catch is that it's not about academic rank, there are numerous criteria to become a member. I'm not the guy to provide that criteria but I have seen it mentioned here before.
August 1st, 2023 at 11:20 AM ^
I was responding to Harbaugh sized HAIL's question:
I think academically they would be at par with the lower end of the B1G. I have no clue where Clemsons academics are.
I those schools are on the lower end, but other than Oregon (who is near Iowa's ranking) at respectable levels.
As you mention there is a lot of other criteria. For instance, Oregon's Nike Money is worth something.
1) UA and ASU will move before anyone goes to the B10
2) Clemson (and FSU to a lesser extent) are very southern schools. They aren't quite the same as UNC/Duke/Vandy/SoCar but they don't, culturally, exactly see themselves as buddies w/ B10 schools. It may happen if the B10 makes a decision to get to 20 with UW and Ore, but I think a lot has to happen 1st:
- Pac dies with ASU and UA going to B12
- UNC and UVa and Duke and ND flat reject any move to the B10
- Another year for the B10 to make sure they are onboarding the Calif schools as well as possible and for the Ariz schools to exit Pac
Nobody with any decision-making authority in expanding the BIG 10 gives a shit about “cultural fit.” In fact, “cultural fit” in the context it’s being used on this thread sounds very much like a euphemism for something pejorative. It’s not a good look
Yes. Sometimes, nowadays, liberals express a disdain for poor and rural whites not so different from that once expressed by white people for Black people. It's frustrating, though, because you don't get back to a political majority, let alone consensus, without the wider net once cast by an FDR toward poor and working people. Failing to just want to help people because they need help is one of our interesting foibles. You have to be morally deserving; neither side seems to think the other is.
They probably serve better BBQ at their recruiting events.
Barstool Sports.
1. Tweet some ridiculous set of events made completely up by the author
2. Have some other person retweet the bullshit or post it on a message board
3. Rumors are now swirling.
"Rumors swirling that the B1G will add the Chicago Bears, the polish national women's hockey team and the Bismark, ND Applebee's to the conference this week."
Is the MGoPolicy a blanket proscription of Barstool Sports in its entirety, or just Dave Portnoy?
(I don't disagree with the substance of your post; this looks like classic citogenesis. I'm just curious about the scope of the Barstool Sports' ban.)
Bad call on my part posting this... I'll take full responsibility for whatever happens.
I didn't see Barstool on the list of banned publications in the MGoBoard FAQ - maybe I was looking in the wrong spot. Where is that list? I don't want to crap my pants again.
It now lives at the top of the current Moderator Action Sticky:
Sharing Trolls Counts as Trolling: Sometimes desperately lazy outlets hire trolls, or trolls who are good at social media build enough of a following, that they become a headache for us, spreading hate or falsehoods. Because having them repeated on our site can directly harm us, if you're on the message board you should be aware that posting something from them could get you banned. They are:
- SirYacht/Chat Sports/James Yoder - Fake news merchant who likes to make up plausible rumors or report non-sure things to get a false scoop.
- Any local Spartan media when they talk about Michigan. Unless they're yelling "MAKE PLAYS!"
- Pete Finebaum: FoxNews for SEC fans. Occasionally useful to them but the only times he's intersecting with us is when he's carrying Saban's water.
- Rainer Sabin: Finebaum wannabe hired by the Freep to troll Michigan fans.
- Tony Garcia: Same deal. Sparty the Freep hired to be a troll.
- Steve Deace: Curiously well-funded white supremacist radio host who's got such a small Michigan following you can safely assume anyone posting positively about him is Deace and ban him again. Creates lots of burner accounts to promote himself. Recently booted by Maven for advocating lynching.
- Barstool: People who took the freedom of young internet too seriously because really what they wanted to do the whole time was propagate bad ideas.
Got it - won't happen again.
I just re-read my comments; they came off a little (or a lot) dickish. I did not mean to police your post or chasten you for posting from Barstool Sports. I only found the current no-fly list because your post (and my curiosity) pushed me to really hunt for it. It was only after reading several pages of comments on the MGoBoard FAQ that I saw someone mention that the most recent MAS hosts the no-fly list.
I didn't take it that way at all - I thought your response was helpful!
4) Profit.
Sounds like a regular modern-media business model.
Barstool is utter trash.
I’ve heard the Bismarck, ND Applebees squad is VERY tough - and, will play in any weather.
I just heard the New Zealand women's soccer team is in
after bowing out of World Cup
I HEARD about the Polish National Women's hockey team. Thanks for confirming.
Dobry!
Also, Idź na niebiesko!
Go ahead, call me a snob, but I just don't see Applebee's being a good fit.
Personally, I think the Bismarck, ND Cracker Barrel is a better fit culturally.
Best response here.
Crazy if true. That would make two super conferences in the SEC and B1G and then one hanger-on in the Big XII.
At that point I’d rather everyone just embrace the obvious and declare college football a semi-pro developmental league. Burn down the NCAA, partner with the NFL, etc etc
declare college football a semi-pro developmental league. Burn down the NCAA, partner with the NFL, etc etc
I saw this rumor on Athalon Sports last night.
I have no idea if that's better than barstool sports
It looks like nobody with credibility is giving it any backing.
The Athlon article was just "reporting" the Barstool rumor. Barstool has a pattern of this. One of their Twitter guys actually "reported" that USC and UCLA were going to the Big Ten in the days after Texas and Oklahoma to the SEC was announced back in 2021. So that was prescient, but still just bullshit that later became true
Not being snarky but has Brett McMurphy, Pete Thamel, Stewart Mandel or any of the other guys who are a little more clued in reported anything similar. A rumor from Barstool doesn’t exactly make me go out and check Clemson’s schedule to see where we might fit in just yet
Auerbach usually gets this stuff first. Helps that she works for the inhouse network, of course.
Junk news -