November 8th, 2021 at 12:20 PM ^
That’s cool. Just give us a TD against OSU and I think we can settle this misunderstanding.
November 8th, 2021 at 12:40 PM ^
I'm going to need some interest added to this repayment.
November 8th, 2021 at 12:48 PM ^
TD, safety, and missed OSU FG should do it
November 8th, 2021 at 1:46 PM ^
All it takes is a single FG-related screw-up by OSU to make one's reputation for the next several years. Just ask James Franklin.
November 8th, 2021 at 12:49 PM ^
Don't forget to request additional $$$ for pain and suffering
November 8th, 2021 at 1:34 PM ^
substantial
November 8th, 2021 at 1:40 PM ^
If it means heightened scrutiny for an OSU game that's sometimes yielded less than satisfactory reffing results, that might not be a bad thing. I'm prepared for most anything in that game this year except having that game snatched out from under us.
November 8th, 2021 at 12:47 PM ^
I'm not that greedy. I just want a yard. A SINGLE %&#@ YARD!
November 8th, 2021 at 1:38 PM ^
How about we get several things.
1 Michigan vs msu game, put the 7 back on the board and fix the result.
2 We get the osu games reviewed.
3 We get a full game officiated in our favor vs osu and then the partial favors vs osu for two more games considering the games that had the same bs but not at the same extent..
4 All officiaitng crews, head of big ten officiating are fired............Kevin Warren fired
November 8th, 2021 at 3:26 PM ^
Rich Eisen ripped him a new one on his show. The head of refs for the B1G is a man by the name of Bill Carrolo.
Who I guess has said in the past something to the effect "It's Michigan, they should play better than the refs reffing the game." Eisen articulated it much better than me.
November 8th, 2021 at 2:36 PM ^
Guaranteed the first thought that crossed every Michigan fans' minds. A worthwhile trade off IMHO
November 8th, 2021 at 12:21 PM ^
What was the question that lead to that answer? Why is he bringing crap up from 2 games ago now?
November 8th, 2021 at 12:22 PM ^
Because he is correct.
Also, if the Big Ten is actually *admitting* there was a mistake, then what is their real/verifiable action taken to rectify it? Is there any accountability?
November 8th, 2021 at 12:24 PM ^
And, . . . inquiring minds want to know!!!!!!!!!!!!!
November 8th, 2021 at 12:47 PM ^
Ha accountability for officials. Officiating is a major problem at both the FBS and pro levels and I don't know why nothing is ever done to make it better. The NFL officials at least have a union that impedes any progress ever being made - I don't know why college doesn't have more off-field officials to deal with this stuff
November 8th, 2021 at 2:03 PM ^
Seems like this might have happened before.... Accountability for Spartan Bob in the replay booth? Excuse me?? You aren't living on the Planet Spartan, obviously!
November 8th, 2021 at 1:27 PM ^
Yes, until there is some accountability the B1G can fuck right off.
I heard somebody say last week that they could hire permanent officials for $2 million a year? Seems low, but still given how much they generate from the Big Ten Network alone they could have permanent officials that didn't suck this bad. They again overturned a 50-50 call made on the field when they took away Selzer's catch. They do not seem to understand the idea of clear and convincing.
November 8th, 2021 at 1:41 PM ^
Of all the examples...
That was not a catch.
That said, neither was the MSU trap that the review booth overturned into a catch.
November 8th, 2021 at 2:37 PM ^
I about as biased towards UM as they come, but the MSU "trap" to which you are referring was a catch - the ball did not hit the ground.
The overturned Hutch TD though? Now that was a blown call of epic proportions.
November 9th, 2021 at 6:06 PM ^
wrong ... the call on the field should not have been changed. review showed the ball hit the turf - the receiver the dragged the ball on the turf. if was a clean catch he would have lifted the ballup immediately !
November 8th, 2021 at 2:39 PM ^
Maybe we should be I don’t know focus on the next game coming up?
November 8th, 2021 at 4:12 PM ^
Right, because fans looking back (or forward) will totally affect the outcome of Saturday’s game.
November 8th, 2021 at 6:11 PM ^
What are you talking about? This thread is about Harbaugh talking about stuff that happened 2 games ago. It would have been cool to him to say it doesn't matter what they did or said, that game was a couple weeks ago and we're focusing on the Penn State game.
But gotta feed the "Michigan never loses it's always something" part of the fanbase.
November 8th, 2021 at 6:44 PM ^
Wait, so let me see if I get this? Harbaugh answering a direct question posed by a reporter somehow means that he’s not focused on psu? That’s even more nonsensical than most of what you have to say
November 8th, 2021 at 12:28 PM ^
He was probably asked.
But people will complain about everything. If he hadn't said anything, people would complain (and have!) that Warde/Harbaugh just roll over when there are bad calls, rather than using quieter but more effective channels to address concerns.
November 8th, 2021 at 12:33 PM ^
Do you mean we have a surly, bipolar, whining fanbase that will complain no matter what the issue is?
Surely, you jest.
November 8th, 2021 at 12:51 PM ^
Don't call me a jest.
November 8th, 2021 at 12:53 PM ^
OK, Shirley.
November 8th, 2021 at 12:51 PM ^
Sorry to be 'that guy' but technically our surly fanbase suffers from schizoaffective disorder; we've got delusions mixed in with our mood swings.
November 8th, 2021 at 1:23 PM ^
Not the end of the world, but as someone with BPD I would ask that you please consider not using a mental health diagnosis as a pejorative term to criticize a group of people.
November 8th, 2021 at 2:03 PM ^
Not trying to ridicule others with BPD.
Urban Dictionary:
November 8th, 2021 at 2:21 PM ^
Was pretty careful to point out it was not a big deal. How dare I make a suggestion about how your words would be received by someone with BPD? Clearly I am a fool for not knowing you were using the urban dictionary definition and not the one that would logically follow the world "surly." Glad you find such humor in this.
November 8th, 2021 at 3:56 PM ^
My wife is bipolar. I showed her your post and she said to stop being a crybaby.
November 9th, 2021 at 4:40 PM ^
Well that certainly invalidates my opinion on the matter, we're all a monolith after all.
"I would have voted for Obama a third time."
November 8th, 2021 at 1:28 PM ^
Yes, and one of those assholes was sitting behind me on Saturday.
November 8th, 2021 at 2:10 PM ^
So the fan base is in the same mental state as the head coach?
***allegedly***
November 8th, 2021 at 12:44 PM ^
So how do you know that quieter channels are more effective? Lets just assume that those channels have been used - what changes have you noticed that affected officiating in a positive way?
I think public outcry probably had as much (or more) to do with this admission than anything done quietly. Even if that outcry amounted to nothing more than disbelief and sarcasm, the optics of that one call were bad.
I haven't seen any evidence that officiating has been on an upward trend. Quite the opposite! So I'd say that the quieter channels have not been effective...
November 8th, 2021 at 1:28 PM ^
Well, there's an actual process to address officiating complaints. My recollection is that teams generally send in clips of issues or questions from each game to be dealt with in the officiating office. Any more that needs to be said can and generally should be dealt with in private, because publicly calling people out is... unseemly. It's like complaining about your management to the coworkers; gets some attention and makes the management look worse, but doesn't improve the situation.
The tangible evidence of the issue is that Harbaugh was known for showing up officials in his first two years and the result was that we got bad calls against us against OSU in a game when it mattered. Warde showing them up with a press conference would be completely out of character and wouldn't improve the situation.
A big public show griping about officials isn't going to measurably improve them; it can, quite possibly, antagonize both the officials on the field and the office responsible for managing them, making them less receptive to the actual complaints rather than more. If the goal is to actually improve the calls, that's not the best way to go about it.
November 8th, 2021 at 2:09 PM ^
Good points, but I won't always agree that private is always better. Sometimes, public institutions need to be called out publicly when they're wrong.
I'm not convinced that Harbaugh's public vitriol in 2016 included the right things to say in a format that would gather opinions in his favor (post game tirades rarely work that way, even if I'm a MAN! about it). But I do think a better public statement following the fine could have made a difference. The biggest problem with officiating across the entire spectrum of sports, is the lack of transparency surrounding it. We don't need every missed holding call discussed, but game-long biased officiating should very well be open to questions.
November 8th, 2021 at 2:15 PM ^
It might be different, though, if complaints are attached to actual reform proposals, like retaining full-time refs. Then, instead of it just seeming like pointless kvetching, it might seem more like presenting further evidence that reform is needed. Reform never happens without people first complaining about the status quo.
November 8th, 2021 at 7:50 PM ^
Nah, Harbaugh was (and probably is) disliked by every official in that '16 OSU game and the anti-Harbaugh/Michigan bias probably extends beyond that. Harbaugh was far from the only coach in the conference to "show up" the refs.
All this money and we get neither competent officiating nor any institutional accountability.
It's sad that we're in a "just win" society because Harbaugh has been more adaptable than most coaches, attempting to help his team win by making changes both personal and institutionally. His undoing will be his strategic stubborness ironically.
November 8th, 2021 at 12:46 PM ^
odds that one of those people will respond to this with something akin to “warde manuel didn’t “do anything’ to make this happen, don’t give him credit, he still should be screaming about it”: one thousand percent.
November 8th, 2021 at 1:01 PM ^
Generally, Stephen, you are an elite poster with excellent insight. But this post pretty much takes the cake-in a bad direction. Suggesting not one but two possible hypotheticals happening in registering your own complaint about the posters on this forum...oh my.
Otherwise, screw the conference and the officials here. So, pay Michigan a million bucks, fine the officials 5 games worth of pay and declare an MSU forfeit-and reduce their scholarships to 50 for the next five years-or just crawl back under your rock. A meaningless apology is worse than no apology.
November 8th, 2021 at 2:14 PM ^
Would you please be kind enough to share how you ascertain this "quiter but more effective" channel as it does not seem to result in adressing our many officiating concerns or produced a result of fewer eggregious infractions.
November 8th, 2021 at 5:21 PM ^
I concur. But the response to Michigan's complaint about mistakes in calls made in the MSU game are based on league timing, not the school. Beyond that, Harbaugh actually wasted a timeout talking to the officials after the Hutchinson TD fumble recovery was overturned. Later, after the game, he was asked in a way that suggested he should have gone off on the officials from the sideline. Instead, he said he just talked to the offiicials when incidents occurred.
Remember, Harbaugh and Michigan were fined $10k after the 2016 OSU game for remarks about the officiating of that contest. So, what did the league do after that? The B1G didn't assign that crew to a Michigan game for a year. Then, sporadically afterward.
Look, the officials get strongly evaluated. They get paid pretty well per game and put in a lot of time, study and preparation in order to work league contests. Just like visiting teams, crews have to be on site 24 hours before game time. These guys have other jobs.
Other than lack of game assignment to Michigan contests, I can't imagine what other punishment or accountability we can expect. In this case, we are looking at errors that largely resulted between the booth and the referee, who runs the crew.
November 8th, 2021 at 12:58 PM ^
He was asked if he had received a response from the big ten regarding the plays they submitted for review from the MSU game. Obviously he wouldn’t bring it up without being asked. Are people really dumb enough to think he’s bringing up the MSU officiating out of nowhere? This has to be an attempt at trolling.
November 8th, 2021 at 1:38 PM ^
You’ve described the poster to whom you’ve responded to an absolute T - with the key words being ‘dumb’ and ‘trolling’.