FYI: Tomorrow's Game to be streamed in 4k on certain platforms
The game will in be broadcast in 4k tomorrow on the Fox Sports TV app (some Roku, Apple, Amazon Fire TV devices), on Fubo TV app, DirectTV, and probably some other places.
Yes, I know it's upscaled 4K, but it still looks good, though some platforms force HDR, which doesn't look good on many TVs.
https://www.xfinity.com/hub/tv-video/4k-events-sports-and-more-on-xfinity
https://tvanswerman.com/2021/10/20/fox-to-stream-2-more-college-football-games-in-4k/
October 22nd, 2021 at 5:31 PM ^
What's 4K? Is that better than the black-and-white analog TV I watch on, or about the same?
October 22nd, 2021 at 5:33 PM ^
Don't worry your pretty little head about it...
October 22nd, 2021 at 5:51 PM ^
As long as your antennas stay in the exact same position throughout the entire game -- even the slightly loose one -- it's about the same.
October 22nd, 2021 at 7:51 PM ^
Hi Wendy. I will disagree a little. Your statement is true as long as the wind does not blow much. If it is windy outside, forget it. It seems the wind can blow the signal around.
October 22nd, 2021 at 9:53 PM ^
4K doesn't have a knob that you turn to change channels and screen doesn't roll over and over until you bang the side of it. I am pretty sure there are no tubes that glow in the back of it.
October 22nd, 2021 at 5:31 PM ^
YouTube TV as well
October 22nd, 2021 at 5:37 PM ^
High def drubbing
October 22nd, 2021 at 5:49 PM ^
It's hard to pay that extra $10/Mo for the limited 4K content on YTTV. I'm saving the 4K free trial for a better set of games or basketball season.
October 23rd, 2021 at 7:53 AM ^
TIL that YTTV stands for YouTube TV and not Yell to the Victors
October 22nd, 2021 at 5:32 PM ^
So it’s gonna buffer buffer BUFFerrrrrrr
October 22nd, 2021 at 5:53 PM ^
I have Google Fiber 1 Gb at my house and I still had a little bit of buffering on the last game I watched in 4K. That being said, my TV is located about as far as it could be in my house from where the actual cable comes in and the signal to the TV travels on Google Mesh Wifi.
October 29th, 2021 at 1:04 PM ^
I found that I need to watch this on my newer TV to be able to not have it buffer. My LG 4K that is 5 years old is just a constant buffer, but my 2019 Samsung handles the 4k on YTTV just fine.
October 22nd, 2021 at 5:33 PM ^
The Xfinity 4k is not good. The resolution is improved over HD, but the color is all washed out. My understanding (albeit from the interwebs) is that the broadcast isn't actually shot in 4k, but rather the HD broadcast is upscaled.
Edit: Which is basically what the OP said.
October 22nd, 2021 at 5:38 PM ^
Check that your xfinity doesn't automatically do HDR, which is what the Fox Sports TV app does on my Roku TV.
HDR is basically a half-baked feature that a lot of tv's don't handle well. But for some reason, some apps and carriers force it any time 4k is set, which is incredibly frustrating.
October 22nd, 2021 at 5:50 PM ^
I’ve been having washed out picture on my Samsung. Pretty sure it’s the Roku mishanding the HD stream as it comes and goes.
October 29th, 2021 at 12:51 PM ^
I had this problem too and found a thread on the Xfinity site. Change the resolution from
16:9, 2160p60 4K UHD (Best Available)
to
16:9, 2160p60 4K UHD
I'm not sure what exactly this does, but since I did it the 4k broadcasts have the normal color back in them.
Poor Ultra 4K Quality | Xfinity Community Forum
October 22nd, 2021 at 5:37 PM ^
So if I use amazon fire tv to watch the game on the youtubetv app does it come through in 4k?
October 22nd, 2021 at 5:40 PM ^
According to this article, it should if you have a 4k Fire TV.
October 22nd, 2021 at 5:40 PM ^
Is this for people who don’t have TVs or are at work?
October 22nd, 2021 at 5:53 PM ^
This is a good heads up because my stupid DirectTV dvr loves to record from the 4k channel.
October 22nd, 2021 at 6:04 PM ^
Why is the HDR a bad thing? Compatibility?
October 22nd, 2021 at 6:19 PM ^
Yeah, it's supposed to allow for visuals to run the gamut of colors a bit better, so the whole "deeper blacks, brighter whites" tagline. But it does so by sending a much more muted visual which the TV is then supposed to color grade. If you've ever seen raw filmed footage before someone color graded it, that's kind of the same thing.
The issue is many TVs incorporated the feature when there was almost no HDR content, without actually calibrating the TV for it. Think back to like 7 years ago when every new TV had a half baked "3D" feature.
For me, I don't get why apps just don't have a simple HDR on/off option for TVs that don't calibrate HDR properly.
October 22nd, 2021 at 8:21 PM ^
Interesting. Thanks for the quick summary. Going to look into this a bit more. The whole HDR thing was new to me back when I got a new TV 5 years ago, a Samsung that claimed it would be HDR forward. I enjoy the set but do wonder, not having read too in-depth on all of this in a long time, how much of the technology I've been utilizing all along.
October 22nd, 2021 at 6:05 PM ^
Fox always broadcasts its games on 4K. At least on xfinity anyway. Can’t speak for other providers.
It was cool getting to watch Dax pulverize Graham Mertz into a fine paste in the highest possible definition. Hoping to watch Hutchinson do that to Peyton Thorne and CJ Stroud over the next month.
October 22nd, 2021 at 6:07 PM ^
But it is fake 4K.
Note: Fox’s 4K broadcasts are upscaled from 1080p HDR. Upscaling is the process when one video format is converted to another. Fox takes the 1080p HDR signal and converts it to a 4K format.
There is almost zero point to what they are doing, other than then they can advertise that their broadcast is "4k" which is absolutely is not.
October 22nd, 2021 at 11:16 PM ^
The Fox 4k streams look much clearer than other broadcasts with YouTube TV for me. LG OLED with Nvidia Shield might help a bit with that.
October 22nd, 2021 at 6:05 PM ^
Uhhhh, if you are watching on a 4k TV, it is ALREADY upscaling the 1080p content to 4K. So-----if all Fox is doing is taking their 1080p content, upscaling it to 4K, and then sending it across the wire, essentially all they are doing is wasting your bandwitdh.
Yes, they have pro equipment and their upscaling might be better than your TV's built in upscaling, but probably not enough for most people to notice.
Paying for something that isn't native 4K is silly.
October 22nd, 2021 at 6:12 PM ^
Not really.
A couple of years ago, this was more the truth.
But recently, Fox and ESPN have invested in 4k and 2.7k cameras, so the actual source is much higher quality than 1080p. Now, they may condense the signal for streaming, and then upscale it, but it will still look a lot better than something upscaled from original 1080p.
October 22nd, 2021 at 6:39 PM ^
You should actually learn about 4k, just because you are watching on a tv capable of 4K doesn't mean it is upscaling..
Certain tv's can enable that feature, but new tv's do not automatically "upscale" to 4k lmao...
I have an OLED and cable is 1080i through charter and i can assure you it is not upscaled either. Only certain tv's upscale or you have an option to enable it
October 22nd, 2021 at 11:35 PM ^
Curious; I bought an LG CX OLED this year and pay for the 4K package through YouTube TV. Am I actually watching true native 4K or is it upscaled or what?
October 22nd, 2021 at 6:16 PM ^
Cool, I wish my fox sports app actually worked though. Every time I get to the screen to sign in to my tv provider it gives me an error after about 3 seconds
October 22nd, 2021 at 6:20 PM ^
I've had a 4K TV since 2014 and never thought to ask this question. If you have the rabbit ears on a 4K TV, will the resolution be 4K? Or do you need a streaming platform/cable box for a 4K feed?
October 22nd, 2021 at 7:03 PM ^
If you have a brand new antennae set that is designed to carry the 4K signal, then yes it does. But you probably don't have the right antennae... NextGen TV is what you want. Otherwise, no.
October 22nd, 2021 at 6:58 PM ^
Because of this thread I checked and realized that I actually did not have 4K on my YouTube Tv for my Fire Cube. I’ve now upgraded to the service. I’m especially excited because I just wired in my Uverse Fiber so this might actually work with no buffering. Fingers crossed.
Go Blue!
October 22nd, 2021 at 7:23 PM ^
I don't know what this is like in other markets, but I live in the Chicago area, about 30 miles west of the loop. I never cut the cord, because I never had cable TV. It happens in our market that I get great reception for NBC, ABC, WGN, WTTW (PBS,) Fox, and a host of others. The only bad channel is for CBS. With a solid HD 4K Samsung TV, on air digital reception is absolutely great. I don't pay for cable, and don't have to worry about what resolution cable carries sports in. I have definitely noticed that our picture is better, crisper, etc. than a nearby Michigan alum with cable.
I do pay for Netflix and for Paramount . . . this gives us a decent number of other movies, along with CBS, critical for the NCAA tourney. My biggest hole is the Big10 Network, and beyond that, ESPN. I am fortunate to live in a neighborhood with completely reliable fiber optic internet via ATT, with 120 mbps download and upload speeds.
I do have a question for those more technologically savvy than I. Can any of you recommend a particular broadcast DVR device, and what you'd suggest to supplement the DVR itself? I'd like to be able to start watching some of the games maybe 30 - 60 minutes after kickoff, in order to speed through interminable commercial breaks. 4 hours is a long time, and a ridiculously expanded amount of time watching what amounts to less than half that time actually playing on the field.
October 23rd, 2021 at 8:41 AM ^
How do you get through football and basketball season with games on ESPN and BTN?
October 23rd, 2021 at 6:57 PM ^
For basketball, I either listen on the radio or go to a local bar. For football,
- ESPN game was conveniently live on youtube.
- 3 games on ABC
- 3 games on FOX
So I missed the one game vs Northern Illinois. I can live with that. The rest of the way, I'm sure MSU and OSU are on FOX. PSU will probably be ABC. Indiana and Maryland, probably one of them will be on ABC/FOX. I can go to the bar for the last one if I want. Being able to watch 10 out of 12 games on network TV at home is acceptable to me.
October 23rd, 2021 at 6:57 PM ^
For basketball, I either listen on the radio or go to a local bar. For football,
- ESPN game was conveniently live on youtube.
- 3 games on ABC
- 3 games on FOX
So I missed the one game vs Northern Illinois. I can live with that. The rest of the way, I'm sure MSU and OSU are on FOX. PSU will probably be ABC. Indiana and Maryland, probably one of them will be on ABC/FOX. I can go to the bar for the last one if I want. Being able to watch 10 out of 12 games on network TV at home is acceptable to me.
October 22nd, 2021 at 10:10 PM ^
I need to save my money for avocado toast.
October 23rd, 2021 at 9:03 AM ^
Is the feed off the Fox Sports app a few seconds behind a non-streaming feed? I hate getting texts about plays that I haven't seen yet.