Betting odds for the next Detroit Loins HC
"In a prop wager asking who will be the next head coaching hire by the Lions, Robert Saleh is the betting favorite at odds of +575. The defensive coordinator of the San Francisco 49ers has been a top head coaching candidate for a couple of seasons now.
Likewise, Kansas City Chiefs offensive coordinator Eric Bienemy is considered to be another head coach in waiting. Bienemy is the second betting choice at +590."
An intriguing possibility is Michigan Wolverines head coach Jim Harbaugh. He’s listed with a betting line of +725."
Source: Sportsbettingdime.com, Robert Duff, 11/30/20
December 1st, 2020 at 11:16 AM ^
If I came out with a whole line of merch labeled "Detroit LOINS" with a logo that vaguely resembles the Lions logo would:
A) You guys buy it?
B) Would I get shut down by Goodell's Orc army of lawyers?
Thinking out loud here.
December 1st, 2020 at 11:17 AM ^
It's funny but I wouldn't buy one.
December 1st, 2020 at 11:17 AM ^
A) No.
B) Yes.
December 1st, 2020 at 11:38 AM ^
you would absolutely, no question get shut down by the nfl.
December 1st, 2020 at 11:56 AM ^
I wouldn't buy it, but you could put some Honolulu Blue and Silver balls on a shirt. Those loins would work.
December 1st, 2020 at 12:09 PM ^
Hey man, no one likes making clever jokes about the Lions and the utter shit show that organization is. Absolutely don't look at my avatar and potentially use that for your ridiculous idea.
December 1st, 2020 at 5:04 PM ^
That avatar is badass, more badass than the 'Detroit Loins' idea, which is of course not new, either.
December 1st, 2020 at 12:11 PM ^
A) No
B) You might be fine. If you alter the logo comically, spell it Loins, and use a slightly cartoonish font, you can make a case that its a parody, and there are trademark law protections for parodies. That being said, you very well may get the the NFL to try to bully you, but I'm willing to bet that they would just send you a cease and desist letter. If you push back and hold your ground, I'm willing to bet that they won't pursue legal action.
December 1st, 2020 at 12:24 PM ^
Go with Sirloins. Sounds classier, and tougher nut for the orc army to crack.
December 1st, 2020 at 12:40 PM ^
I would call it 'Same Old Loins'.
December 1st, 2020 at 11:18 AM ^
good fit, Lions love steak and whole milk
I want to see Harbaugh redeem himself either here or in the NFL. That's just how I am.
December 1st, 2020 at 11:30 AM ^
Totally agree with this sentiment. Would love to see a redemption story, while also nailing our next hire should it come to that. The notion that Jim Harbaugh is a bad coach, or forgot how to coach, is nonsense. I think he may just be a better fit in the NFL where guys understand how to execute the complicated concepts he favors. This also seems to jive with his seeming disinterest in scoring a million points/going up-tempo/eschewing huddles. Jim's odd personality seems to grate on some and that has likely been a negative with regard to recruiting/retention but that is mitigated in the NFL where playing equals getting paid and winning cures all.
December 1st, 2020 at 11:37 AM ^
No way in hell Harbaugh will ever coach at Detroit. The best thing for Detroit is to move the team to another city, attract better players and instill a winning attitude.
December 1st, 2020 at 11:44 AM ^
ala Cleveland ---> Baltimore
Then get a whole new Lions team?
December 1st, 2020 at 11:40 AM ^
If he does have an odd personality that grates on some, would the Lions hire him given that Patricia's personality when he came in was supposedly part of the problem?
December 1st, 2020 at 12:00 PM ^
I think that matters less in the NFL where the only real player movement is via free agency. The NFL isn't set up so much to have free agent destinations and guys go where they can get paid. Harbaugh has won a lot of games in the NFL. Players know that. He has also given guys chances (Colin Kaepernick) and resurrected careers (Alex Smith). That carries weight even if he is prickly.
Patricia was/is a fraud. And had never been a head coach. Hiring a defensive coordinator from the Patriots when everyone knows that is Belichick's defense was moronic, especially given the timing. I was at the Eagles/Patriots Super Bowl. The Patriots didn't punt once, and Brady threw for over 500 yards with zero interceptions, and they still lost. Why the Lions thought that was the guy to lead their team I will never understand.
December 1st, 2020 at 12:03 PM ^
Double Post. My bad.
December 1st, 2020 at 2:12 PM ^
Double post, but I don't think you can say often enough that Patricia is a fraud.
I would add to what you said in the first post that the NFL loves to recycle coaches. There are a bunch of coaches who seem to get hired just because they were a coach in the NFL before. I mean, Jon Gruden got hired by the Raiders after roughly a decade in the broadcast booth.
December 1st, 2020 at 5:05 PM ^
If you want to see him redeem himself, don't send him to Detroit. Or the Jets either.
December 1st, 2020 at 11:25 AM ^
I would be happy with Saleh. Ideally, I'd pair him with one of the following GM candidates:
1. Mike Borgonzi - KC Director of Football Operations
2. Adam Peters - San Fran Vice President of Player Personnel
3. Thomas Dimitroff - Former Atlanta GM
4. Rick Smith - Former Texas GM
5. Omar Khan - Pittsburgh Vice President of Football & Business Administration
December 1st, 2020 at 11:27 AM ^
Didn't Omar Kahn work for the Lions back when Mayhew was GM? Seems to me he left when Quinn came in...
December 1st, 2020 at 11:33 AM ^
No. He has been with the Steelers since 2001.
December 1st, 2020 at 11:40 AM ^
The Steelers have been consistently good my entire life. I'm all for Ford-Hamp spending some with the Rooney family to see how it's done.
December 1st, 2020 at 11:52 AM ^
OTOH, why would the Rooney Family want any of the Lions stank rubbing off on them?
December 1st, 2020 at 11:48 AM ^
Ed Dodds has to be my #1 choice. He helped build the Legion of Boom plus got Russ in Seattle. He also helped built athletes on defense. He has been a scout for 17 years and has front office experience. The Lions need GM with extensive college scouting background and knows how to draft because that's where the Lions need to make their mark because they will never attract top FAs unless they have to overpay them
December 1st, 2020 at 11:52 AM ^
My suggestion is three hires:
President of Football Operations: Ozzie Newsome
General Manager: Ed Dodds
Head Coach: Robert Saleh
Newsome had long run as Ravens GM before transitioning into a senior advisor role. Dodds has been highly thought of as a talent evaluator with the Seahawks and for the last few years with the Colts. Robert Saleh we all know about. Only missing piece IMO is getting a dynamic Offensive Coordinator. Check out Luke Getsy the QB coach in Green Bay.
December 1st, 2020 at 12:22 PM ^
Newsome has baggage from the Ray Rice coverup, so I don't think Sheila Ford-Hamp will give him much opportunity in an interview. If he even gets one... He is the guy that sent the Raven's security team to collect the hotel camera feeds and destroy them. He is not clean from that affair. I doubt the fuddy-duddy Lions ownership will want to bring that baggage aboard.
But otherwise, he would be a good selection from an experience and results viewpoint.
December 1st, 2020 at 1:45 PM ^
The NFL, like college football, is a game of offense, not defense. Hire accordingly.
December 1st, 2020 at 2:21 PM ^
Which side of the ball a coach specializes in is at best the fourth thing to consider. The ability to lead men (players and coaches alike), evaluate talent and scheme accordingly and an ability to evolve all rank higher IMO. If you can hire a coach who is strong in those three attributes, hire him. Like right now before someone else does.
December 1st, 2020 at 11:54 AM ^
Khan has been with Pittsburgh forever. I think he’s been told he’ll succeed Colbert, honestly.
Currently he’s the Steelers cap guru. And he’s damn good at his job.
December 1st, 2020 at 12:36 PM ^
Dimitroff is terrible.
December 1st, 2020 at 12:58 PM ^
Dude, the Lions have rarely got to the playoffs over the last 30 years. In 12 years Dimitroff built teams that went to the playoffs 6 times, Conference Championships twice and a Super Bowl appearance. Additionally, he rebuilt the Falcons twice in those 12 years. Its banana land to me that any Lions fan could consider him "terrible" based on our history.
December 1st, 2020 at 11:26 AM ^
I don't see Jim Harbaugh coaching the Lions. For one, I can't see the Ford family hiring such a personality. For two, I think even the Ford family would think he's too toxic in the immediate local area and the state at large. For better or worse, he has utterly polarized the UM fan base to the point where he'll be vilified by most, and praised by some, wherever he is. Not even the Lions want to bring in more polarization to their fan base!
FWIW, I'd love to see him get that job, though...
December 1st, 2020 at 11:36 AM ^
So about his personality. He has basically had zero the past couple of years so I don't know why that would be a problem with the Lions. Now, if he went there and started losing his mind on the sidelines and was going after people in press conferences again, I would be very sad as it would tell me that the admin told him to knock it off while at UM.
December 1st, 2020 at 11:57 AM ^
Well, yeah, but not so much the sideline stuff, though. Jim Schwartz had that, too... I'm thinking more about the current mumbling incoherency in pressers and the well-known reputation for being difficult to deal with personally (ie: grating people the wrong way). I just can't see a Ford dealing with that. They're used to 'polite society', where people are decent to each other (face to face, anyway). The Lions have never had a coach be so abrasive, not even Schwartz.
December 1st, 2020 at 12:50 PM ^
I know the Lions tend to hire good guys, and tend to also have good guy players. I've also assumed that's half the reason why they've been awful for so long.
That being said, Harbaugh can be an asshole, but he's a standup guy. I know society writ large doesn't seem to give people like that much rope nowadays, no matter where they stand they are wrong. But just having Opinions doesn't make him a bad person.
The Lions tend to avoid people who have done bad things. (Feel free to find the exception that proves the rule).
December 1st, 2020 at 3:59 PM ^
They kept Ndamukong Suh around for five seasons, his entire rookie deal. It's pretty clear they didn't try too hard to re-sign him after that. He did some pretty visible bad things on the field throughout his Lions career. He's the only exception that I can think of.
December 1st, 2020 at 4:08 PM ^
Thing is with Suh, he seemed to keep it between the lines. I'm ok with that, usually. But it became obvious after some time he was such a colossal dickhead even the refs were gunning for him.
When that happens you know the cameras just aren't on when he's doing a lot worse. And the Lions basically made an offer to say they did and that's about it. Considering what a game changer that guy was on the field, that says a lot.
Think about all the hoops the Lions organization jumped through to keep Jerry Ball on the field. Good guys they will work at keeping. Bad guys, not so much.
Which is one of the reasons why they are still my team despite the stinking turd they lay every year on the field. I just know better than to ever get my hopes up, unlike some crazy ass people.
December 1st, 2020 at 11:30 AM ^
Saleh seems like a good idea. From Dearborn, so the job is probably a bit more personal to him.
December 1st, 2020 at 1:11 PM ^
I agree that it makes sense from several angles.
What about Saleh, though? Does he want to risk @#$%ing up his career by working for a bunch of bungling micromanagers (the Ford family)? I'm sure he'd land on his feet as a coordinator afterward, but he'd probably have a better chance of success with another team.
December 1st, 2020 at 11:31 AM ^
Give me Eric Bienemy
December 1st, 2020 at 11:38 AM ^
Yeah, I'd like to see an offensive-minded head coach paired with a solid D coordinator. Getting really tired of recycled offensive coordinators failing to do anything with the Lions O.
December 1st, 2020 at 11:54 AM ^
Stafford v Watson? EB is going to Houston!
December 1st, 2020 at 1:39 PM ^
Yep.
Eric Bienemy please. Make my loins tingle.
December 1st, 2020 at 1:39 PM ^
Yep.
Eric Bienemy please. Make my loins tingle.
December 1st, 2020 at 11:34 AM ^
Dude, I'm not happy with Harbaugh, but I'm not "Lions next job" unhappy. That's cruel and unusual.
December 1st, 2020 at 1:32 PM ^
I really can’t imagine becoming coach of the Lions would be a good thing for his mental health.
December 2nd, 2020 at 1:10 PM ^
One thing that might make the Lions job attractive to him is he could probably keep his family in the same house and his kids in the same schools. Also he lives next door to his parents.
December 1st, 2020 at 11:34 AM ^
He'd probably be pretty successful there, though like most teams it'll come down to drafting well. I honestly don't know which GMs the team is looking at but those 49er teams had a great collection of talent in addition top good coaching.
December 1st, 2020 at 11:39 AM ^
I'm surprised Joe Brady isn't getting consideration. I know he's young but the league just had a run on young offensive minded coaches after what the Rams did a few years ago. I'd like Michigan to give him considering if harbaugh is gone.