OT- Suter/Parise/Semin/Nash Watch (AKA Free Agency Day 3)
Alot of BIG names still out there. I suppose that this is the last day we'll do this whole open thread thing, as the hockey hating contingent of the MGoCommunity will likely wake from their slumber to both neg bang this post and take extra time out of their day just to let us know how they feel.
However, skaters gonna skate.
Four big time players are hanging in the hockey atmosphere, will the Red Wings bring any of them home? Any big surprises?
Please, help me get my mind off of this massive pile of work on my desk and the agonizing possibility of our Wunderkind Trouba leaving us for the always dickish OHL.
Happy free agency, puck heads..
EDIT: Well, it's lunchtime and nothing very sexy has happened.
Free Agents:
Suter: No announcement, high probability he's a Wing.
Parise: Many think he's leaning towards PIT or MIN, but who knows?
Semin: No word as of yet.
Trade Bait:
Nash: Concerning reports and tweets, Detroit is on his "approved" list, but it may just cost the franchise to bring him to the D
Ryan: Not much has been said here, either.
Someone posted that a very possible outcome could be signing Suter and Semin, and then making a trade for Ryan out of Anaheim. Thoughts? Who would we let go of?
Since twitter is the source of all knowledge, Suter is pretty much a done deal to the Wings.
I just hope the Michigan hockey summer doesn't start including the Wings in its despondence.
The more I think about it, the more I see Semin going back to Russia. The guy is talented, don't get me wrong, but he just doesn't seem to have that drive. The KHL isn't quite as talent-heavy as the NHL, so he could dominate, and Russia is his home. I wouldn't be unhappy if the Wings signed him, per se, but I think I would have rather had Hudler stick around than bring in Semin.
Of course, all this is null if we sign Parise and Suter, then it doesn't matter who else we get.
do you really think Hudler is worth 4 mill year? because I sure as hell don't
No chance in hell! That's why I'm ok with letting Hudler go, he's worth about $3 mil/year. Good for him that he's getting paid, I'm happy it's not the Wings doing it. Sammy should be a good replacement for him.
Drat! Dreaded Double Post!
wow - I wouldn't pay him a dime over 1.5.
Hudler wanted to get paid. The Red Wings fans wanted him gone.
I did not think he was going to get 4 mil.
LOL you'd take the guy who's average is 25 and 25 over the dude who's cracked and has 40-50 potential?
May be alone here but I'd honestly rather have Carle than Suter. There's not much of a gap there but I like Carle defensively combined with his offense. +19 and +30 in the last two seasons.
While Weber is certainly more adept offensively than, say, Nik Kronwall, I don't think playing with Kronwall will be a huge step down whatsoever from playing with Weber. Kronwall is a smart player, and will be a great complement to Suter (assuming the Wings sign him, and that he's paired with Kronwall).
Did you watch the Olympics bro? Suter went full beastmode.
Yes, bro.
I like them both.
I think you are alone there. I guess the one reason I could see wanting Carle is because he will come cheaper than Suter, though I don't think it will be by much. Also, +/- isn't a great hockey stat, at least IMHO. I like that Suter spends more time on the ice.
I think Suter is definitely option number 1, but if the Wings were to miss out on him, I would definitely want Carle.
Did you watch Carle in the playoffs this year? There's really no comparison between he and Suter. Suter is widely regarded as a top 10 defenseman around the league, while Carle was the subject to a lot of criticism for his play in the playoffs this year for the Flyers. The only reason Carle is going to get paid, is it's such a shallow year for UFR defenseman. Those numbers are inflated because he plays with Claude GIroux, who's arguably the most talented 2 way foward in the game right now save Pavel Datsyuk and Sidney Crosby. Not to mention, didnt he play with Pronger 2 seasons ago?
I think you've been on MGoBlog too much
I ain't even mad. Thank you for pointing out my negligence.
Those are Carle's stats from 3 and 2 seasons ago. This season he was a +4 with 38 points, compared to +15 with 46 points for Suter. They're both good, but I think Suter is definitely coming off the better season.
Parise to Pens seems inevitable, unfortunately
Bobby Ryan seems more of a likely trade given that CBJ GM Scott Howson wants 4 of Jupiter's moons for Nash.
If the Wings land Suter, and K-Hol works his magic on a trade deal for Rick Nash, i think this will have been a nasty good free agency for the winged wheels...
Cleary and who else?
Franzen?
Filps
I honestly have no idea with Parise anymore. Clearly someone threw in a last ditch effort and it at least got him a little bit uneasy. I also think that he deep down really doesn't want to leave NJ, but can they pay him? He has had Brodeur talk to him a couple times yesterday and after the run they had this year he may be emotionally attached. With hockey and football players it's not uncommon to see guys stick around with a team for a long time despite being able to get more money somewhere else. With Suter I feel like it is between the Wing's and Nashville. My guy tells me that if he was going to stay with Nashville he would have already signed. But what do I know it would be very interesting to be a fly on the wall in all of these negotiating rooms.
Anyone else really like this signing? He's battled alcoholism most his career, is clean now (lots of personal troubles, feel sorry for him). We needed some grit in our bottom 6 fowards and he's one of the most feared hitters in the game right now.
He really is a little turd, and you absolutely hate him when he's wearing the other jersey. But I grew up playing hockey with a little guy named John VanCleave. He was about two feet shorter than anybody else, always pestering, talking trash, tenaciously relentless and quick to get under your fingernails. I HATED playing against him. But one year, he was moved on to our team. When we got the news, the whole locker room got in a bad mood and didn't want him. However, it only took one game to realize how fun/exciting it can be to have a little firecracker like that on your side. The only reason I am wary, and that I can understand others not liking him, is that he does take myriad dumb penalties. Between the 2 stupid offensive zone penalties per game we can always count on Abdelkader/Holmstrom/Franzen for, this could be the feather that breaks the camels back. We saw from this years playoffs that you can't spend half of the game in the penalty box and expect to win.
But, if he recognizes the opportunity here, to reinvent himself as both fiesty AND disciplined, and to be accepted and praised by the greatest hockey fans in the lower 48, he could work out to be a great, great signing...
Reminds me of Sheed Wallace. People always talked shit when I said I was a pistons fan but I always countered that you'd like him if he was on your team.
I think it means we're letting Abby go. I liked his hits, but I think Tootoo is a solid replacement.
It's possible they would trade Abdelkader's rights. I can't see them letting him walk though. If he goes, who centers the 4th line?
I'd say Emmerton, with Helm taking the 3rd and Filpulla taking the 2nd.
I like the signing, but I am cautious with it as well. I can't remember him doing too much against the Wing's and I believe he had some injury problems so maybe that kept him a little limited. I don't want to see him deliver any cheap shots as well, it's one thing to play physical, but I don't want to see any Raffi Torres type hits. The plus side as well is that if someone comes charging in at Jimmy or any other "star" Tootoo is the type of player that wouldn't have to be told to make that guy answer the bell and that is something we have been missing.
doesn't work out. I hope they get Shane Doan.
I think if Doan finds out the Yotes are staying in Phoenix, he isn't going anywhere. I hated when the Wings played against the prick, he gets under fans' skin. I would love to have him on the Wings, though.
The 5 years I lived in Phoenix taught me to hate the Coyotes. So much in fact, that they surpassed the Blackhawks and the Avalanche as my most despised team. So, while Shane Doan is a heck of a player that almost any team would love to have, I'd rather not have the captain of the Coyotes defect to the Wings.
of Torres can't help. I can't believe the NHL reduced the length of that hack's suspension. I wonder if they also reduced the length of Hossa's concussion?
I still don't get why everybody is that upset about the length of the suspension being reduced. The suspension was originally set at 25 games to make sure Torres didn't return to the playoffs (the hit happened in Game 3 of the first round, so Phoenix hypothetically could have had 25 more playoff games after that if they made the finals and every series went to 7 games). Additionally, Shanny had said before the playoffs that since playoff games were more important, suspensions would be weighted appropriately (roughly something that would be 3 games in the regular season would only get 1 in the playoffs). So it's only natural that they would re-evaluate things upon appeal after seeing how many playoff games he actually missed. If Phoenix had lost in the 1st round, he'd probably be serving the full 25. Had they made the finals or had some series run longer, you'd probably be seeing more get knocked off. But I'm sure that under the CBA they can't just come out with the ruling "you're banned for the rest of the post-season, and maybe some next season depending on how your team does, we'll get back to you on that".
Just posbanged the shit out of you all. We hockey guys gotta stick together...
I'd love to get Parise, but I don't know if it'll happen. What we really need is to stay healthy, we do that we've got as good a shot as anyone to come out of the west.
I'd be more than happy with this.
Real talk, Bobby Ryan is a better option than Nash. He's cheaper, younger, and a right handed shot.
When it's all said and done I think Semin and Suter are the guys we will get. Which I will be thrilled with.