Ondre Pipkins is upset with Josh Garnett
According to Ondre Pipkins Twitter, he's pretty upset with Josh Garnett this evening. He feels he was lied to, and that is pretty much a direct quote. Obviously we don't know what was said to Ondre, but we can guess he thought it meant Garnett was definitely blue.
https://twitter.com/#!/PeeWee9456
Note: I thought this deserved a thread of its own, because the Garnett thread was getting quite long.
January 26th, 2012 at 7:03 PM ^
they can discuss it like gentlemen.
January 26th, 2012 at 7:12 PM ^
LOL. You think Stanford will make the Rose Bowl soon.
January 26th, 2012 at 7:32 PM ^
Based on losing Luck, I'm guessing they are on the decline.
I think the Pac-12 North is going to look quite different at the top in the coming years. If Washington can get any kind of defense they should be able to challenge Oregon for the north title.
January 26th, 2012 at 8:18 PM ^
I agree with you. I really like what Sark is doing up there. He was able to lure away Tosh Lupuoi from Cal and take Tennessee's DC and top recruiter. Washington is really starting to shell out some dough for top flight assistants.
January 26th, 2012 at 9:24 PM ^
1) No Luck
2) USC
3) Leach
4) RR
5) Sark
That alone spells trouble for Stanford, who doesn't even sell out home games.
January 26th, 2012 at 9:44 PM ^
6) Kelly staying at Oregon
January 26th, 2012 at 10:40 PM ^
Sold out all of its home games last year, has 10 returning all-conference players, and has a highly-ranked recruiting class coming in.
Future's fine in Palo Alto.
January 26th, 2012 at 11:11 PM ^
Please list the 10 all-conference players they have returning and what position they play.
I'm calling bullshit on this one.
January 26th, 2012 at 11:24 PM ^
Chase Thomas, OLB, RS Jr (1st team)
Stepfan Taylor, RB, Jr (2nd)
Ben Gardner, DE, Soph (2nd)
Jordan Williamson, K, Fr (2nd)
Cameron Fleming, OT, Fr (Hon)
David Yankey, OT, Fr (Hon)
Drew Terrell, Returner, JR (Hon)
Ty Montgomery, ST, Fr (Hon)
Levine Toilolo, TE, So. (Hon)
Ryan Hewitt, FB/TE/H-Back, So. (Hon)
If you count Honorable Mention, Stanford's got the second-most returning all-conference players. Also three or four freshmen all-americans. You'd guess Chase Thomas is the preseason defensive player of the year for the Pac-12, and the team is getting a number of players back from injury.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:52 AM ^
I follow college football pretty closely and I recognize only two names from that list. And no, nobody on earth counts honorable mentions as making the all conference team because... they didn't.
January 27th, 2012 at 10:12 AM ^
not count as all conference recognition?
January 27th, 2012 at 10:25 AM ^
In a universe where there are more and more thrown into HM just to make everyone happy?
January 27th, 2012 at 11:27 AM ^
In the Big Ten this year, there were 96 players on 1st team, 2nd team, and honorable mention as selected by the coaches. Spread out across 12 teams, that's an average of 8 players per team. It's pretty misleading to include players outside those top two teams, because that means roughly 33% of the league's starters are "all-conference."
January 27th, 2012 at 3:59 AM ^
Strange to see two returning OTs that are so young and obviously pretty good. You'd think that would've helped our chances.
January 27th, 2012 at 7:46 AM ^
I think Garnett is a guard (at least, seems like he is duscussed as a guard most places).
January 27th, 2012 at 7:58 AM ^
"Honorable Mention" doesn't really count as "all-conference" to me. You have to be on the 1st or 2nd team for that to count. So they have 4 all-conference players.
January 27th, 2012 at 12:18 AM ^
Well, they should sell out... they only have to find 50,000 people. It's not really very impressive.
I don't give a damn about Garnett choosing Stanford; I don't wish him any ill will, nor will I follow his career. He made a calculated gamble that David Shaw is going to keep the program at the level that Jimmy Hairballs had gotten it to; based on Shaw's decision-making at the end of the Fiesta Bowl, I wouldn't have made that judgement myself. My hunch is that Stanford is going to decline over the next three seasons. I would actually like that, since I still have a grudge against Stanford for the 1972 Rose Bowl.
I don't get the anger directed toward him, but then I don't know why people believed his feel-good statements about UM in the first place. A certain percentage of recruits lie through their teeth and talk out of both sides of their mouth every year, and I've been watching that go on for so many years that I basically don't believe anything a recruit says until he commits and then signs on NSD.
January 27th, 2012 at 12:46 PM ^
Just my two cents, but I think Luck will be a detrimental loss to their team, and they don't have Harbaugh.
When Jim Caldwell stepped in at Indianapolis, he had Peyton for two years. Their win loss went from 14-2, to 10-6, to 2-14.
That 14-2 kind of reminds me of Stanford's season this year. They have a different head coach, but still had a stellar quarterback, and they did well because of it. But then, after Caldwell lost his stellar quarterback, his team flopped. So, maybe the success of their team was really on their quarterback more than the coach.
Harbaugh steps in to a 6-10 team, takes them to 13-3 and makes it to the NFC championship game, with essentially the SAME TEAM. Now, that SAME TEAM had 1 pro bowler during their 6-10 season, but in their 13-3 season, they had 9 pro bowlers. Is it that those players got so much better during an NFL off season that now they're pro bowlers? No. You make the pro bowl based off the season you have. So, those 10 all conference players returning doesn't mean a ton to me. Without Harbaugh and Luck, I don't see Stanford being great.
Before I start to ramble, the point I'm trying to get at is head coaches and star quarterbacks matter. Who knows, maybe David Shaw is going to be a phenominal coach, and as soon as I see it I'll eat my words, but I don't know how bright the future in Palo Alto is.
Either way, best of luck to Garnett.
January 27th, 2012 at 9:03 AM ^
Luck's backup will be a RS Soph next year who was a top 5 pro-style QB in the class of 2010, and his HC was Harbaugh and Luck's offensive coordinator.
There really isn't much of a reason to assume that this team is set for a big decline.
January 26th, 2012 at 7:36 PM ^
Damn funny. Did you have this one cocked and loaded for such an event? You are a gentleman and a scholar fine sir.
January 26th, 2012 at 7:01 PM ^
For Josh Garnett, I hope he's successful there, and has a great college experience. But I love how passionate Ondre is, and how much he cares about Michigan's tradition.
January 26th, 2012 at 11:04 PM ^
I'm actually glad Garnett picked the "Cardinal". I grew tired of his comments like...i don't know where I'm going, or I don't have a leader.
I can only speak for myself when i say that I am excited to hear guys like Ondre, Mags, Morris and how passionate they are for Michigan. These are the young men we should celebrate. The guys who stood up and made a man's decision. Good bye and have fun sliding back down to the bottom of the Pac-12, Cardinal.
January 27th, 2012 at 8:20 AM ^
Not everyone who turns into a good player is passionately in love with Michigan from the get-go. Denard Robinson didn't decide until the last minute, and he's one of the most beloved Michigan athletes of the last decade, if not all-time. Donovan Warren, Jonas Mouton, Steve Schilling, Adrian Arrington, Alan Branch, all of them decided late in the process.
Your viewpoint just isn't realistic. I'm sorry, but it's not. You want everyone to be in love with Michigan as much as you are, even though they grew up three time zones away and have offers to get a free college education at any powerhouse school in the country.
January 27th, 2012 at 9:38 AM ^
So you are the judge on viewpoints? God bless America. My view point is very valid.
I'm not against a young man taking his time and making a well thoughtout decision. Additionally, My comments where also in regard to how he "lied" to Ondre. I can not look at that behavior without realizing this entire process could have been the same.
Oh please let me keep my viewpoint, o might judge of all things on MGOBLOG.
January 27th, 2012 at 9:53 AM ^
Yes, I am the judge on viewpoints. God appointed me to that position.
Anyway, what I'm saying is that if you don't want players who are on the fence about Michigan, then you can subtract Denard Robinson, Steve Schilling, Jonas Mouton, Donovan Warren, etc. from Michigan's history. Do you like Denard Robinson? My guess is the answer is yes. But you apparently don't want him here, since he didn't say "YES YES A THOUSAND TIMES YES" as soon as he was offered.
So. Our quarterback last year was a sophomore Devin Gardner. Did we win the Sugar Bowl? No. Our quarterback in 2010 was a freshman Devin Gardner or a sophomore Tate Forcier. Did we win even 7 games? Probably not.
If the coach of any school in the entire country had the same viewpoint as you, they would be complete and utter losers...because I don't see any successful coaches who don't have to fight recruiting battles right up until the bitter end. Mack Brown, Nick Saban, Les Miles, etc. all reel in recruits (or lose recruits) right up until National Signing Day.
So...yeah...in summary, try to be realistic.
January 27th, 2012 at 2:43 PM ^
I don't think kids shouldn't take their time and make the right decision for them or their families. I'm realistic in understanding that we win some/we lose some. I am not debating this fact. I just didn't like the way Garnett's situation played out. It's my opinion which its obvious if i disagree with "all mighty, Mangass" I get the "flamebait". Much love
January 27th, 2012 at 3:41 PM ^
Maybe it's not because you disagree with me (plenty of people do)...maybe it's just because you're judging a high school kid too harshly and being unrealistic with your expectations.
January 26th, 2012 at 7:02 PM ^
Time to focus on Diamond, Muller, Kozan or Denman.
January 26th, 2012 at 8:13 PM ^
they stated that Muller reaffirmed his commitment to Rutgers. I can't confirm, only passing along the rumor i heard.
EDIT: they claimed the info came from twitter, so take it FWIW.
January 26th, 2012 at 7:03 PM ^
Nope, this did not need another thread.
A current recruit is upset that someone that he was friends with from the camp circuit isn't going to the same school as him. News at 11.
January 26th, 2012 at 7:09 PM ^
People don't like being lied to. I'm happy that he values honesty and a mans word, I'd like to think that's the Michigan way. That's the kind of kid I'd want representing the University of Michigan.
January 26th, 2012 at 7:15 PM ^
(eye roll)
(heavy eye roll)
If Garnett would have told a Stanford commit he was going to play with him, and then committed to Michigan, you wouldn't have given a rats ass about it. This is a non-issue.
January 26th, 2012 at 7:17 PM ^
I don't know about you, but I'd have a problem with that. I don't think a Michigan commit should ever have to hide/mislead the fact that he's going blue.
January 26th, 2012 at 7:19 PM ^
Will Campbell called and said "whats up homeslice?"
January 26th, 2012 at 7:24 PM ^
But I don't understand how Campbell's last minute decision effects my opinion on a kid misleading about their interest in a school? I'm happy that he went blue, but I'm unhappy if he informed anyone that he was not going to go blue.
January 26th, 2012 at 10:49 PM ^
Dude, give it up. You're a little too wrapped up in this 18 year old's huge life decision. He didn't pick us, bummer.
January 26th, 2012 at 11:14 PM ^
He's not saying he's pissed Garnett didn't pick us. He's saying Pipkins has a reason to be upset if Garnett told him he'd be blue and then didn't follow up with it. And if that's the case, I don't blame Pipkins for being upset about it.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:22 AM ^
The point is Pipkins felt he was lied to. That's it!
January 26th, 2012 at 7:21 PM ^
Agree...this is such a non issue that i dont see why it needed its own thread..If they meet at the park and fist fight its worth its own thread...Pipkins feels Garnett lied to him and chose Stanford so he made a subliminal comment on Twitter ...OK
January 27th, 2012 at 10:14 AM ^
you keep using that word....I do not think it means what you think it means...
January 26th, 2012 at 7:22 PM ^
being the coolest member of MGoBlog?
January 26th, 2012 at 11:03 PM ^
interestingly, there was a panel today about michigan mba's breaking their job commitments in seemingly unprecedented numbers last year. but thanks for confirming for us that there really isn't any problem with lying.
January 26th, 2012 at 7:09 PM ^
Thanks for your opinion though.
January 26th, 2012 at 7:03 PM ^
I'll see you in hell Garnett.
Kidding
January 26th, 2012 at 7:05 PM ^
Kidding or not, you don't need to post this on mgoboard.
January 26th, 2012 at 7:08 PM ^
Actually davey i do.
January 26th, 2012 at 7:19 PM ^
Just so non-mobile users don't get confused, the post that this was in response to was removed. I don't care if people are kidding, saying ignorant/inflammatory statements about recruits is not going to be tolerated. Get a life.
January 26th, 2012 at 7:21 PM ^
(internet high five)
Thanks Ace
January 26th, 2012 at 7:57 PM ^
You must not be a Michigan Man™.
January 26th, 2012 at 7:59 PM ^