This right here. Don't forget Warde is the committee chairman this year or next year (I forget which), and you know he'd just love to screw us over in order to gain the favor of the other committee members...
Yeah. This probably won't be a popular take, but based on what we've seen so far, this looks like one of the worst QB situations we've had since Carr retired. Maybe not as bad as Threet/Sheridan in 2008, but probably worse than broken-Speight/O'Korn in 2017 (my guess is that if we had 2017 O'Korn on this team he'd be the frontrunner for the starting job). Probably most similar to Tate/Denard in 2009; Orji seems very similar to freshman Denard (talented runner, raw passer and very inexperienced overall), but the QB most like freshman Tate (at least re arm talent) might be Jadyn Davis, and unlike Tate Sherrone doesn't seem inclined to throw Davis into the fire as a true freshman...
It's not to say it can't end up better, but that's pinned to blind hope and reaching potential more than anything we've seen on the field thus far...
A friend has Youtube TV and his broadcasts are consistently ~30 sec behind. He gets score updates on his phone way before they happen on the screen (his reaction to the two long Edwards runs against OSU in 2022 come to mind)...
I will say, people (likely Lions fans) hate him with a passion, and he bombed as a GM, but if you listen to his commentary the dude knows football. One of the best announcers out there for recognizing what's going on on the field and conveying it to the viewer. Also, know some people who have worked with him when he's called M games and they all say he's one of the nicest people you'll ever meet...
There's a lot more nuance than just this (plus which game is the half win and why? BG?). He was the favorite in all four games, a heavy favorite in two of them. So yes he won all four, but he should have won all four. Did he perform above expectations? Below expectations? (I can make an argument for both of those). Things like that...
Yeah, I've never been able to reconcile it. Harbaugh was the most successful M QB in the NFL until Brady, and is still the second most successful by a mile. Yet he'd seemingly much rather run a FB dive than let his QBs (even 1st round NFL QBs) throw.
It will be very interesting to see how his time in LA plays out, since he has a very expensive gunslinger at QB. It's one thing to do that in college where there's no salary cap, but it's another thing to have the (now, after Goff's extension) third most expensive player in NFL history taking up cap space if you're reluctant to use him...
I think it's to make sure HR/Legal dots their Is and crosses their Ts before firing him. I doubt there was anything Denard could have done to change the outcome; the only thing that would have made a difference is if it came out that some fact was wrong (he wasn't actually drunk, or wasn't the driver, or something like that). It's just much safer to suspend them and make sure everything is in order before firing them than it is to just fire them immediately (even if it's a foregone conclusion), and risk a lawsuit if something later comes out.
Any idea of the time tonight? Or is there a good source for looking that up? I didn't even realize we were supposed to get them last night until well after it happened :(
Working on finishing up some games I'm almost done with. Jedi Fallen Survivor and FH4 (as much as I'll get done with it). I have a backlog of games I've been meaning to play so not sure what I'll move to next.
I've been meaning to continue my CK2 game from a few years ago for a while now, but have never gotten around to it. It was pretty fun, but got pretty tedious how much I was micromanaging, and I'm not a particularly fast gamer to begin with...
That's interesting, I had never heard of that before. Though it only helps a very small subset of potential transfers (realistically pretty much only MSU and the directionals for most sports)...
There's an intrastate program that allows you to finish your MSU degree at Michigan. Why can't this work for other guys? It's a formal in-state program.
I'm curious what this is, and how it fits with the general transfer credit cap (i.e. no more than 60 transfer credits can go towards your degree here)?
Funchess has been on a lifelong journey to fulfill three promises he made to his grandfather, James Hester, when he was younger. Funchess told his grandfather that he would win a Super Bowl, play professional basketball and then become a farmer.
Looks like TJ Hensick finally retired after last year. He had been in Toledo for a number of years recently, including as captain. I feel like I heard he retired after 2022, but then came back for a handful of games last season, though it seems he retired for good after that.
Yeah, before JB's time. But I feel like JB could have had a lot of success with those mid-2000s Amaker teams. I always thought there was a lot of talent there. They won the NIT in 2004 with a core of freshmen and sophomores (Horton, Harris, Sims, Hunter, etc.), and I remember being super excited for what the next couple of years would hold, but it just never came together...
That's a really touching story, and I'm so glad your son got to give it to him before he passed.
You know, it makes me think, you just never know when it's going to happen. On the one hand, my grandma was in a nursing home with Alzheimer's for 12 years, and I lost count of the number of times hospice was called (i.e. she was supposedly close) yet she just kept plugging away. On the other hand, both of my wife's grandmas (also both with Alzheimer's) declined much faster than most in her family expected (ironically my wife was one of the few that actually realized what was going on, though her attempts to call attention to the decline mostly fell on deaf ears), and I think there's a tinge of regret in her family for not being ready so to speak, not realizing how little time was left...
Another could be accuracy/consistency, especially on deep throws, but he's thrown - very accurately - into some incredibly tight windows. And from the limited tape I've seen, this is a much bigger issue for Maye than it is for JJ.
Yeah, I've never understood the Maye hype, especially with regards to accuracy (he's never seemed to me to be a particularly accurate QB)...
There seems to be an issue with embedded code getting deleted from posts. Used to be that you would post the embed code in source mode to embed Youtube clips, GIFs that were too big to upload, etc. I get that there's the media embed button now, but while the issue with posting pictures was going on, embedding a GIF via source code was the only way I could figure out to post images.
Now, whenever I try to embed code via source mode, it seems to instantly get deleted when I switch out of source mode or try to save (if I try to save, it gives a comment required error, because it's as if I'm trying to post a blank comment). Also noticed that a GIF I posted a day or two ago is now gone, it's just a blank comment (so it seems like the problem is affecting past posts as well)...
Glad to hear Jack Johnson is doing well. He'll always have a special place in my heart as the superstar my first two years at U of M. And I can't help but feel for him with how he got absolutely railroaded by his family.
Fun fact that many probably don't know: before Blues Brothers was a choreographed thing, it used to be one guy getting up and dancing, and in 2005 and 2006, that was Jack Johnson's dad (this memory will forever have a cloud over it given the above). After 2006, Buffalo Hat Guy took over dancing for a year or two, and then the student section started the choreographed dance we know today, and which after a year or two just at Yost started migrating to the Big House as well.
Hadn't realized it until you mentioned it, but I graduated 15 years ago today (though it was a Saturday, not Thursday). Main ceremony in the Big House in the morning, walking across the stage in Crisler for engineering in the afternoon. Have no idea how 15 years went by so quickly.
I will say, I distinctly remember a very real sadness in April of my senior year thinking about all the things I never got around to doing. It was lessened somewhat by coming back for grad school, but my four years of undergrad went by in a flash and I'd give quite a bit to get to go back to those days...
Oregon, out of state for us, also offered “fake aid” that didn’t make a dent in ridiculous out of state costs for an education that really wasn’t going to be worth it.
I had a couple of similar scholarship offers back when I was applying. I wouldn't necessarily call them "fake aid," because they were decent amounts, but the problem was that both were private schools, and even with the scholarships it was still more expensive than in state at U of M.
Yeah, same here. I just don't have the time or the energy to follow recruiting at anything more than a nominal level anymore.
Every year when they do the recruiting follow up posts for the incoming freshmen, there are a handful of guys that I don't recognize. I know my reaction to at least one of the guys that entered the portal recently was "who was that?" And there are even times when I see someone in a game and wonder if they're a walk-on because I have no memory of them...
The bubble isn't breaking, but rather bills are just going to increase.
For how long though? Maybe people will be willing to pay ever-increasing fees for sports programming, but I feel like at some point it's going to outprice the market...
But how do you apply that? Your policy is that you need 60 credits from U of M to graduate, unless you're an athlete, in which case you need 30? The athletes are students too, and it's not unreasonable to hold them to similar standards. Don't forget that Harbaugh routinely graduated players in three years; it's entirely possible to play school while achieving elite results.
Now if you want to talk about eliminating the NCAA's academic progress requirement (40%/60%/80% as discussed above), I'd be receptive. The intent is to make sure guys are keeping up with their education, but at most schools they give you so much help (and at many are willing to bend, if not outright break, so many rules) that you pretty much have to try to not hit it, unless the issue is caused by a transfer.
I'm having trouble understanding your question, so I'll just say this: in order to stay eligible, you need to be 40% of the way to your degree after two years, 60% after three years, and 80% after four years. Since you can only count a max of 60 transfer credits toward the 120 you need to graduate from M, any transfer has their progress capped at 50% when they get here (and that's if they can get 60 credits to transfer, which isn't always easy). So any transfer that's been in school for at least three years would be immediately ineligible here. You may be able to take summer classes to hit the threshold by the fall, but for guys like Davis that have been in school four years but didn't graduate (and aren't in a position to before graduating), you can't take 36+ credits over the summer to get to 80%...
Maybe eventually, but guys like Trente Jones and Braidan McGregor come to mind who aren't even projected to go that high and still opted to leave for the draft instead of coming back...
That's a fair point. Part of me is like, "dude just got massively overpaid ($100M guaranteed, $180M total for a 35 year old Cousins?!?) so stop whining." But on the flipside, just because the Falcon have an interest in the long-term success of the team doesn't mean Cousins has to. Beyond the paycheck, Cousins' interest is in winning now; why should he be ok with wasting a top 10 pick on a potential QB for after he's gone when it could have instead been used on a player that could help his teams win...
Yeah. The Penix pick was bad (a huge reach to take him in the top 10), but in the abstract it's at least defensible. But you can't view it in the abstract, because like you said they just signed Cousins to that $180M deal. I thought that was a huge mistake at the time (they're paying "win-now" money for a QB that hasn't proven he can take a team to the mountaintop), and then they throw away the chance to at least give him some support by drafting another QB. Just baffling...
The analysts always seem to over-value physical attributes and under-value intangibles
This has to be it. And I feel like you're underselling some of the qualities you listed by calling them intangibles. Leadership is an intangible, but the ability to read defenses and process quickly is a mental attribute, and the mental side of the game is just as important (if not more important) than the physical for most positions.
I've never understood what the knocks on JJ actually are. He seems to have every quality you could want in a QB in spades, and in the rare instances when someone is specific more often than not they seem to be flat out wrong (e.g. JJ not having a strong arm--that's news to me, it always seemed like he has a flat out cannon). And though I haven't followed the other QBs as closely, I similarly don't get the love for these other QBs above him (the Maye love in particular baffles me).
I can all but guarantee that at least one of the top three QBs will be a bust, and I'd probably bet money that at least two will...
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This right here. Don't forget Warde is the committee chairman this year or next year (I forget which), and you know he'd just love to screw us over in order to gain the favor of the other committee members...
Weird, wonder why they moved the Friday game?
Ask Phil Mickelson...
Was he an assistant or an analyst?
Yeah. This probably won't be a popular take, but based on what we've seen so far, this looks like one of the worst QB situations we've had since Carr retired. Maybe not as bad as Threet/Sheridan in 2008, but probably worse than broken-Speight/O'Korn in 2017 (my guess is that if we had 2017 O'Korn on this team he'd be the frontrunner for the starting job). Probably most similar to Tate/Denard in 2009; Orji seems very similar to freshman Denard (talented runner, raw passer and very inexperienced overall), but the QB most like freshman Tate (at least re arm talent) might be Jadyn Davis, and unlike Tate Sherrone doesn't seem inclined to throw Davis into the fire as a true freshman...
It's not to say it can't end up better, but that's pinned to blind hope and reaching potential more than anything we've seen on the field thus far...
A friend has Youtube TV and his broadcasts are consistently ~30 sec behind. He gets score updates on his phone way before they happen on the screen (his reaction to the two long Edwards runs against OSU in 2022 come to mind)...
Matt Millen 2.0?
I will say, people (likely Lions fans) hate him with a passion, and he bombed as a GM, but if you listen to his commentary the dude knows football. One of the best announcers out there for recognizing what's going on on the field and conveying it to the viewer. Also, know some people who have worked with him when he's called M games and they all say he's one of the nicest people you'll ever meet...
There's a lot more nuance than just this (plus which game is the half win and why? BG?). He was the favorite in all four games, a heavy favorite in two of them. So yes he won all four, but he should have won all four. Did he perform above expectations? Below expectations? (I can make an argument for both of those). Things like that...
Yeah, I've never been able to reconcile it. Harbaugh was the most successful M QB in the NFL until Brady, and is still the second most successful by a mile. Yet he'd seemingly much rather run a FB dive than let his QBs (even 1st round NFL QBs) throw.
It will be very interesting to see how his time in LA plays out, since he has a very expensive gunslinger at QB. It's one thing to do that in college where there's no salary cap, but it's another thing to have the (now, after Goff's extension) third most expensive player in NFL history taking up cap space if you're reluctant to use him...
I think it's to make sure HR/Legal dots their Is and crosses their Ts before firing him. I doubt there was anything Denard could have done to change the outcome; the only thing that would have made a difference is if it came out that some fact was wrong (he wasn't actually drunk, or wasn't the driver, or something like that). It's just much safer to suspend them and make sure everything is in order before firing them than it is to just fire them immediately (even if it's a foregone conclusion), and risk a lawsuit if something later comes out.
Yeah, probably a tough question to answer at the moment. But I think a fair question would be an honest assessment of Moore's performance so far.
Did you pay with a credit card? I'd honestly dispute the charge...
Any idea of the time tonight? Or is there a good source for looking that up? I didn't even realize we were supposed to get them last night until well after it happened :(
Working on finishing up some games I'm almost done with. Jedi Fallen Survivor and FH4 (as much as I'll get done with it). I have a backlog of games I've been meaning to play so not sure what I'll move to next.
I've been meaning to continue my CK2 game from a few years ago for a while now, but have never gotten around to it. It was pretty fun, but got pretty tedious how much I was micromanaging, and I'm not a particularly fast gamer to begin with...
Yeah, my guess is that the number of schools that could afford this without having to resort to cutting a bunch of sports is in the single digits...
That's interesting, I had never heard of that before. Though it only helps a very small subset of potential transfers (realistically pretty much only MSU and the directionals for most sports)...
I'm curious what this is, and how it fits with the general transfer credit cap (i.e. no more than 60 transfer credits can go towards your degree here)?
Yeah, I distinctly remember this detail from that article...
He should ask Darko Milicic for advice...
Looks like TJ Hensick finally retired after last year. He had been in Toledo for a number of years recently, including as captain. I feel like I heard he retired after 2022, but then came back for a handful of games last season, though it seems he retired for good after that.
Yeah, before JB's time. But I feel like JB could have had a lot of success with those mid-2000s Amaker teams. I always thought there was a lot of talent there. They won the NIT in 2004 with a core of freshmen and sophomores (Horton, Harris, Sims, Hunter, etc.), and I remember being super excited for what the next couple of years would hold, but it just never came together...
That's a really touching story, and I'm so glad your son got to give it to him before he passed.
You know, it makes me think, you just never know when it's going to happen. On the one hand, my grandma was in a nursing home with Alzheimer's for 12 years, and I lost count of the number of times hospice was called (i.e. she was supposedly close) yet she just kept plugging away. On the other hand, both of my wife's grandmas (also both with Alzheimer's) declined much faster than most in her family expected (ironically my wife was one of the few that actually realized what was going on, though her attempts to call attention to the decline mostly fell on deaf ears), and I think there's a tinge of regret in her family for not being ready so to speak, not realizing how little time was left...
Yeah, I've never understood the Maye hype, especially with regards to accuracy (he's never seemed to me to be a particularly accurate QB)...
There seems to be an issue with embedded code getting deleted from posts. Used to be that you would post the embed code in source mode to embed Youtube clips, GIFs that were too big to upload, etc. I get that there's the media embed button now, but while the issue with posting pictures was going on, embedding a GIF via source code was the only way I could figure out to post images.
Now, whenever I try to embed code via source mode, it seems to instantly get deleted when I switch out of source mode or try to save (if I try to save, it gives a comment required error, because it's as if I'm trying to post a blank comment). Also noticed that a GIF I posted a day or two ago is now gone, it's just a blank comment (so it seems like the problem is affecting past posts as well)...
I have literally lost every single hand of blackjack I've ever played in a casino. That's my sign not to play...
Glad to hear Jack Johnson is doing well. He'll always have a special place in my heart as the superstar my first two years at U of M. And I can't help but feel for him with how he got absolutely railroaded by his family.
Fun fact that many probably don't know: before Blues Brothers was a choreographed thing, it used to be one guy getting up and dancing, and in 2005 and 2006, that was Jack Johnson's dad (this memory will forever have a cloud over it given the above). After 2006, Buffalo Hat Guy took over dancing for a year or two, and then the student section started the choreographed dance we know today, and which after a year or two just at Yost started migrating to the Big House as well.
Wasn't Glendening captain for the Wings for awhile too?
Hadn't realized it until you mentioned it, but I graduated 15 years ago today (though it was a Saturday, not Thursday). Main ceremony in the Big House in the morning, walking across the stage in Crisler for engineering in the afternoon. Have no idea how 15 years went by so quickly.
I will say, I distinctly remember a very real sadness in April of my senior year thinking about all the things I never got around to doing. It was lessened somewhat by coming back for grad school, but my four years of undergrad went by in a flash and I'd give quite a bit to get to go back to those days...
I see these various posts and I wonder who the hell is actually getting into M if these people are getting denied?...
Where did you get those numbers? I'm nearly certain that when I applied just a few years later (2004), schools like Yale were way under 10%...
I had a couple of similar scholarship offers back when I was applying. I wouldn't necessarily call them "fake aid," because they were decent amounts, but the problem was that both were private schools, and even with the scholarships it was still more expensive than in state at U of M.
Yeah, same here. I just don't have the time or the energy to follow recruiting at anything more than a nominal level anymore.
Every year when they do the recruiting follow up posts for the incoming freshmen, there are a handful of guys that I don't recognize. I know my reaction to at least one of the guys that entered the portal recently was "who was that?" And there are even times when I see someone in a game and wonder if they're a walk-on because I have no memory of them...
For how long though? Maybe people will be willing to pay ever-increasing fees for sports programming, but I feel like at some point it's going to outprice the market...
But how do you apply that? Your policy is that you need 60 credits from U of M to graduate, unless you're an athlete, in which case you need 30? The athletes are students too, and it's not unreasonable to hold them to similar standards. Don't forget that Harbaugh routinely graduated players in three years; it's entirely possible to play school while achieving elite results.
Now if you want to talk about eliminating the NCAA's academic progress requirement (40%/60%/80% as discussed above), I'd be receptive. The intent is to make sure guys are keeping up with their education, but at most schools they give you so much help (and at many are willing to bend, if not outright break, so many rules) that you pretty much have to try to not hit it, unless the issue is caused by a transfer.
I'm having trouble understanding your question, so I'll just say this: in order to stay eligible, you need to be 40% of the way to your degree after two years, 60% after three years, and 80% after four years. Since you can only count a max of 60 transfer credits toward the 120 you need to graduate from M, any transfer has their progress capped at 50% when they get here (and that's if they can get 60 credits to transfer, which isn't always easy). So any transfer that's been in school for at least three years would be immediately ineligible here. You may be able to take summer classes to hit the threshold by the fall, but for guys like Davis that have been in school four years but didn't graduate (and aren't in a position to before graduating), you can't take 36+ credits over the summer to get to 80%...
Is Ann Arbor much cheaper than California these days?
Maybe eventually, but guys like Trente Jones and Braidan McGregor come to mind who aren't even projected to go that high and still opted to leave for the draft instead of coming back...
That's a fair point. Part of me is like, "dude just got massively overpaid ($100M guaranteed, $180M total for a 35 year old Cousins?!?) so stop whining." But on the flipside, just because the Falcon have an interest in the long-term success of the team doesn't mean Cousins has to. Beyond the paycheck, Cousins' interest is in winning now; why should he be ok with wasting a top 10 pick on a potential QB for after he's gone when it could have instead been used on a player that could help his teams win...
Don't forget that he didn't play a fourth quarter until, what, Penn St.?
Would love for the Lions to draft Zinter, though I could see Harbaugh doing that as well.
Yeah. The Penix pick was bad (a huge reach to take him in the top 10), but in the abstract it's at least defensible. But you can't view it in the abstract, because like you said they just signed Cousins to that $180M deal. I thought that was a huge mistake at the time (they're paying "win-now" money for a QB that hasn't proven he can take a team to the mountaintop), and then they throw away the chance to at least give him some support by drafting another QB. Just baffling...
This has to be it. And I feel like you're underselling some of the qualities you listed by calling them intangibles. Leadership is an intangible, but the ability to read defenses and process quickly is a mental attribute, and the mental side of the game is just as important (if not more important) than the physical for most positions.
I've never understood what the knocks on JJ actually are. He seems to have every quality you could want in a QB in spades, and in the rare instances when someone is specific more often than not they seem to be flat out wrong (e.g. JJ not having a strong arm--that's news to me, it always seemed like he has a flat out cannon). And though I haven't followed the other QBs as closely, I similarly don't get the love for these other QBs above him (the Maye love in particular baffles me).
I can all but guarantee that at least one of the top three QBs will be a bust, and I'd probably bet money that at least two will...
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I could get behind half of that...