CMHCFB

May 1st, 2024 at 12:06 PM ^

When I posted that Alford was an elite coach but a mid recruiter, the TruBlue, and Meeshigan crowd said I was trolling, despite the objective facts.  Seeing is believing, and this scenario will play out year after year.  Alford already had a relationship with Davis and can’t pull him to UM and loses him to KY. 
Again, Alford is a great coach but needs help with recruiting.  

wolvorback

May 1st, 2024 at 2:57 PM ^

I don't think that Michigan's is one of the best, but I don't think what happened with Waller is any indication of Michigan not being good at it.   It's no different than the job market.  Just like most companies, we lose people to competitors that overpay for someone that we don't think is worth that much money

JonnyHintz

May 1st, 2024 at 3:03 PM ^

You keep making comments like this. How much do you want Michigan to pay for someone like Waller? Honestly. 

Is there a limit in your eyes? What’s the price? What if someone pays more than what Michigan feels that player is worth, we’re still going to sit here and trash Michigan’s NIL because we’re not overpaying players? 

Just because we aren’t throwing obscene amounts of money at high schoolers and backups doesn’t mean our NIL program isn’t very good. There’s likely a price they have that they’re willing to pay and if they’re offered more than that elsewhere, they’re okay seeing them leave. 

ERdocLSA2004

May 1st, 2024 at 7:19 PM ^

Yeah but what did DJ Waller do to command big NIL money?  He got hit in the chest with two horrible passes from our QBs.  Then proceeded to fumble one back to the other team and drop the other.  I’m not saying he isn’t going to be a good player, but UK got a glimpse of him and thought he was worth throwing the bag at.  Oh well.  Saab was a much bigger NIL loss.  

JonnyHintz

May 1st, 2024 at 3:07 PM ^

It’s pretty clear he was favoring Michigan. The national recruiting experts were putting crystal ball projections in and On3 had the odds at over 89%. Visited 3 times in the last month. Then he committed to Kentucky out of nowhere. 

Seems pretty obvious that this was NIL related and has very little to do with Alford and his recruiting ability. 

Mr Miggle

May 1st, 2024 at 5:47 PM ^

Much like Keon Sabb, Waller was in a real fight for a starting job and may have to wait until 2025 to lock it down. By all accounts, Jyaire Hill had a very strong Spring. An SEC program that can offer him a guaranteed starting spot has a leg up on Michigan, granted Bama more so than Kentucky. That's worth plenty to the typical player with NFL ambitions. 

Add in that he's worth more to his new team than he was to Michigan and it stands to reason they would offer him more in NIL too. If Michigan outbids UK and Hill beats out Waller, they are overpaying. Does that cause issues with his teammates? He cashed in before proving himself, why do I have to wait? NIL poses plenty of new problems aside from just funding.

CMHCFB

May 1st, 2024 at 1:14 PM ^

He did. Alford  signed 13 RB’s across 9 classes as shown below.  This is the definition of being a mid recruiter at a school like OSU or UM.   If this is elite to others, they are entitled to their view. 
 
2016: McCall played RB, WR & CB; Antonio Williams transferred to UNC
2017: JK was a 3-year starter & the only one to get drafted
2018: Snead was removed from the program; Teague had a role for a few years & went undrafted
2019: Chambers moved to LB, Crowley medically retired
2020: Miyan was a 4-year contributor (consolation for missing on Bijan), solid rb. 
2021: Henderson's a 4-year starter; Pryor transferred to Cincy
2022: Hayden was RB 3 and transferred 
2023: Lost Mark Fletcher to Miami
2024: James Peoples & Sam Williams-Dixon

CMHCFB

May 1st, 2024 at 2:35 PM ^

I refered to his recruiting body of work as mid, but you already knew that.  He put 1 RB in the league in 9 years.   How UM fans can see his body of work and gas him up to be a great recruiter is mind boggling.  If you want to look at the specific players, they are posted above, label them as you choose.  
In the first post Alford year, OSU has or is favored for both Bo Jackson and Jordan Davidson, the 5th and 7th ranked RB’s in the class.  Alford never sniffed signing 2 RB’s in the top 7.  

JonnyHintz

May 1st, 2024 at 5:16 PM ^

“He put 1 RB in the league in 9 years.” 


Lazy take. The first few years he inherited running backs who went to the NFL, Elliott and Sermon. You don’t want to give him credit because he didn’t recruit them, that’s fine. But you can’t count those years against him either in that case. So you’re down to 7 years. He then had JK Dobbins start for 3 years and sent him to the league. Weber started for a year and then backed up Dobbins, and was drafted. You then followed that up with Henderson for 3 years, and would have been drafted if he entered this year. But because Henderson is returning, it conveniently doesn’t go on Alford’s record.


SO. During Alford’s tenure, every starting running back at OSU has either been drafted, or WILL BE drafted. It’s a gross manipulation of technicalities to denigrate Alford’s accomplishments. 

CMHCFB

May 1st, 2024 at 7:12 PM ^

In 2020 no one he recruited developed into RB 1, so he had to get Sermon out of the portal.   From 2021 to current he had Henderson,  and none of his recruits were ready when Trey got hurt in any of those years.  He missed on all of them.  Depth matters, you have to have more than 1 RB who can play.  You can call him a recruiting God if you like, but his recruiting has been the definition of mid.  there’s a reason why he took a pay cut I OSU and they refused to extend his contract. It wasn’t because he wasn’t a great coach, he is. His recruiting, however, is not at a level to compete for championships, it’s mid 

CMHCFB

May 1st, 2024 at 8:21 PM ^

UM money cannons not being able to compete with Kentucky, and that’s why they didn’t get a recruit, is also a take.  Alford gets stuffed in a locker by Kentucky and the only thing not questioned is his recruiting because insiders got it wrong….. 

From experience, the next thing he will do is go to South Florida to find a kid that pulls away to another school at signing day. 
 

kwallace2386

May 1st, 2024 at 11:01 PM ^

It’s not the money cannons. It’s Warde and the AD not promoting and directing the money to NIL. He hogs the money for the AD. Only school in America. And due to us having regents that hate sports, we chose Warde over Jim. If you actually think UK boosters have more money than UM boosters I don’t know what to say. These continue to be all self-inflicted, 100% controllable wounds. And no other school deals with this as poorly as Michigan. But gotta make the regents who hate sports happy. 

JonnyHintz

May 2nd, 2024 at 9:10 AM ^

Not being able to and deciding not to are two very different things. The current practice of throwing money at high schoolers, many of whom enter the portal or never pan out, isn’t a sustainable practice. Michigan deciding not to play in the mud while the system regulates itself doesn’t represent an inability to financially compete. 

But again, that’s just an extremely lazy take from you. 

CMHCFB

May 2nd, 2024 at 9:57 AM ^

Claiming with no basis in fact that UM lost him to KY due to NIL is the ultimate lazy take.  
If UM can’t compete with KY for the #1 RB on their board due to NIL, how will they compete with the elite teams?  Not having a NIL strategy for recruits wouldn’t be “staying above the fray”, it would just be killing recruiting.  

JonnyHintz

May 2nd, 2024 at 5:20 PM ^

The “basis” being that everyone had him going to Michigan, his own comments had him going to Michigan, and in the 11th hour he decided to commit to Kentucky. Just like Miami flipping those guys from OSU last year, it’s pretty clear when a lesser program swoops in with a big money offer.


“how will they compete with the elite teams?” I can’t hear you over the national championship rings 

JonnyHintz

May 1st, 2024 at 12:13 PM ^

“should have known once Sam and crew started full hype train for him”


He had two crystal ball projections, both to Michigan and both from NATIONAL guys. On3 gave Michigan an 89.5% chance at landing this commit, OSU was next highest at 3.1% with UK at 2.7%. 

Weird to attribute this to Sam and other insiders starting a hype train when the kid made a (likely NIL induced) decision out of left field.

RibbleMcDibble

May 1st, 2024 at 10:55 AM ^

Is there any other major program with a Kentucky equivalent? Just bizarrely seems to win battles they shouldn't, get a number of transfers from the better program, etc.

NeverPunt

May 1st, 2024 at 11:12 AM ^

and does jack squat with them...I feel like Kentucky would be a great school to go to i was a high three star who felt like i was going to top out in college and wanted to get paid. For a legitimatley good player though, you could go lots of places that would pay you similar NIL (not here) and you could have a hope of winning more than 8 games once in your career

MichiganiaMan

May 1st, 2024 at 11:17 AM ^

I think Ole Miss is an apt comparison that’s easy to miss because they’re further along the path and happen to have a coach with a history of being a media lightning rod.

I can’t fault either program tbh. As things stand now, they’d both on the chopping block in the more extreme super league scenarios. But at the current pace, either could secure status on the level of say, Penn State.