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Basketball Searchbits: Team Ho Comment Count

Brian April 23rd, 2024 at 1:46 PM

OUR WATCH HAS ENDED

I fired off an unusual Sunday post because I was sick of updating and updating and updating a post and thought it would be obsolete by Monday. It was. Roddy Gayle Jr is in. Sam Walters is in. Lorenzo Cason is in. Vlad Goldin… well, he should be in sooner rather than later.

Assuming Goldin, this is as of this moment a basketball team with zero open scholarship slots. To go from "Will Tschetter, I guess?" to this in a couple of weeks is the most whirlwind roster makeover in the history of Michigan athletics.

BUT ADMISSIONS?

Never say never in this department but they've officially announced Gayle and Jones. They briefly announced Donaldson before yoinking that back so I assume that he's on the verge. Goldin should be a grad transfer, Wolf was at Yale, and Walters had just one year at Alabama. My assumption is that after the prior debacles, Dusty May wasn't going to let anyone announce until their transcript got checked out. We'll see about the validity of that assumption.

ARE WE DONE?

Probably. Anyone who comes in at this point would either have to be cool with a year of apprenticeship or tantalizing enough to take despite a potentially negative knock-on effect for guys projected to be in the rotation—primarily Will Tschetter and Nimari Burnett.

Two of the obvious take options aren't happening. St Mary's SG Aidan Mahaney visited Creighton, has a couple more visits set up, and is picking between three non-M schools for his final one. Meanwhile, FAU SG Johnell Davis is seemingly between Kentucky and Arkansas.

I still think Oakland F Trey Townsend isn't happening, either, but he's apparently done with visits; Michigan is one of three schools that got one. Ohio State and Arizona are the others. Tony Paul points out that OSU just picked up former teammate Micah Parrish.

The other two guys worth the swing are Khani Rooths and Liam McNeeley, two top 50 recruits who could play the 3 or 4. I am still in 1% mode when it comes to McNeeley. Rooths is more plausible but the "I am 100% open" tweet is a bit of a downer, and Michigan's depth chart is suddenly jammed.

I mean, sure, if either of those guys wants in you take them, offer Jace Howard a PWO spot, and figure it out later. But Michigan just went from the place you'll definitely play a ton to a place where you're in a war for minutes. I think this is it.

So!

[After THE JUMP: what you've won]

ROSTER

Projected starters in bold. Important rotation players in italics.

PG: Tre Donaldson (Jr), Durral Brooks (Fr), Lorenzo Cason (Fr)
SG: Roddy Gayle (Jr), George Washington III (So), Justin Pippen (Fr)
SF: Rubin Jones (Sr*), Nimari Burnett (Jr*), Jace Howard (Sr*)
PF: Sam Walters (So), Will Tschetter (Jr)
C: Vlad Goldin(Sr*), Danny Wolf (Jr)

I project that one of the four underclassman guards gets ~10 MPG but I couldn't tell you who.

As far as usage goes, my money is on Gayle and Goldin being the two starters who get significantly above 20. Donaldson should be around 20, with Jones and Walters rounding it out.

HOW GOOD IS THIS?

Relative to where Michigan stood two weeks ago it's incredible. The roster above is not only full, it looks like something you might see at an established, good program five years into a coach's tenure. The roster is:

  • OLD. The projected nine-man rotation has two underclassmen in it—Walters and whichever G steps up. The two seniors are super seniors.
  • BALANCED. The aforementioned super-seniors are the only guys in the rotation who will be out of eligibility next year. There are three seniors, five juniors, two sophomores, and three freshmen. Portal era and all that, but there's a solid chance this team goes into next year even older.
  • PROVEN. Donaldson, Gayle, Jones, and Goldin have all been major pieces for top 50 Kenpom teams. The two up-transfers projected to start are a 7'2" center who was the most efficient back-to-the-basket player in college basketball last year and a 6'5" defensive menace—these are not the kind of up-transfers who you worry about falling flat at a higher level.
  • FLEXIBLE. Michigan has three guys in the starting lineup who ran the point for their teams a year ago. They have a 1-2 center punch that rivals the Wagner/Teske year. Rubin Jones can check just about anyone. The chance Michigan gets forced into a lineup where the parts don't fit together is relatively low.

Bart Torvik's projections are a little wonky—Goldin at 77% of minutes and Wolf at 69% isn't going to happen—but provide a reasonable baseline expectation. That expectation: 22nd nationally assuming Goldin commits. If Michigan was returning this roster and adding one or two guys, a bid would be a "slam dunk," as the kids say.

The problem is that the roster was "Will Tschetter, I guess," as of two weeks ago and teams assembled largely from the portal seem to be less than the sum of their parts. In February, 247's Isaac Trotter noted that the portal kings weren't that good at doing basketball:

Ten notable teams throughout college basketball filled their respective rosters with seven or more transfers from the 2023 cycle. All eight of the high-major teams on that list are on pace to miss the NCAA tournament.

NC State did make it in but required a miracle run through the ACC tournament to do so. (Yes, then they hilariously donked Duke en route to the Final Four.) It's also worth noting that St John's got hot at the end of the year and barely missed; they ended up #21 in Kenpom. They probably make it in if they don't inexplicably lose to 8-24 Michigan at the beginning of the year in a game where it looked like none of the St John's players had ever met before.

This is our concern, dude. May built his FAU program on continuity that is unheard of in the modern game; he will not have that this year.

POTENTIAL ISSUES

As constituted there are a few different things that could trip Michigan up other than having to wear nametags until conference play.

High guard turnover rates. Donaldson had a 20 TO rate; Gayle was at 19; Jones was at 18. Burnett had an 18 as well. You can live with one shot creator at that level; three is rough. Then again, the three transfers were primary creators for their teams; at Michigan they'll share that burden.

A power forward spot that does nothing but score. Will Tschetter and Sam Walters were both crazy efficient last year; they got 40 and 30 percent of their teams' minutes, respectively. Both guys were defensive liabilities last year, and extremely foul prone. Part of Tschetter's problem was playing a significant number of minutes at center; presumably that won't repeat with Goldin and Wolf on the roster.

Walters has some upside here because he is crazy long and doesn't have to be the quickest guy to start making himself a defensive pest. With Tschetter it's mostly about mitigation.

Frontcourt depth. Right now there are four guys for two spots and the possibility that Burnett or Jones could reasonably check a four. That's fine. One injury to a guy taller than 6'5" and things get iffy.

Gayle three pointers. Gayle was playing through a wrist injury a year ago, which may explain his 3P% falling off a cliff. On the other hand he continued to knock down free throws at an 83% clip.

One guy being a ~30% three point shooter isn't going to kill Michigan when it looks like there will be at least three plus shooters on the floor at all times, but if Gayle can get up to 35% that changes how teams have to defend him.

WELL?

Six seed?

Comments

BursleysFinest

April 23rd, 2024 at 3:54 PM ^

Semi-related, It's being said that Davis wanted to come here but wasn't getting through admissions: 

https://www.reddit.com/r/CollegeBasketball/comments/1c9mqj6/source_fau_transfer_johnell_davis_was_not/

https://brobible.com/sports/article/johnell-davis-michigan-admissions-denied-transfer-basketball/

Just a point that Admissions hasn't changed.  Maybe it's a little easier for May to work through this since he was casting a wide net (We need everything) whereas Juwan was usually looking for a specific skill-set and had less options

ShadowStorm33

April 23rd, 2024 at 4:09 PM ^

My boss (an Illinois fan) mentioned this to me yesterday, which was the first I had heard of it. But Davis has been in school for four years, and still hasn't graduated. I honestly don't see any way he could transfer here and be eligible, unless he graduated first. 

Having been in school for four years, he'd have to be at least 80% of the way toward his degree in order to be eligible to play. But at most he could get 60 transfer credits to count toward his degree here, and needing 120 to graduate, he'd only be 50% (and that's if he was even able to get 60 to transfer, which I doubt coming from a school like FAU). So that's automatic ineligibility. I don't think the COVID year changed the academic progress requirements, so it'd be 80%. What I don't know is when that goes into effect, i.e. could a kid take classes all summer to get up to the threshold by the fall? That might make it feasible for a guy that's been in school three years (60%), but trying to go from 50% to 80% (36 credits) in a summer here just doesn't seem feasible...

bluesalt

April 23rd, 2024 at 4:22 PM ^

It’s a bummer he’s been at FAU for four years and isn’t ready to graduate, but I don’t fault M admissions for that.  The sophomores we miss out on because admissions/academic departments are stingy about credit transfers from similar schools is frustrating, but Davis probably needs 2-3 more classes to get a degree, so having 90%+ credits come from another school and have the diploma say Michigan is questionable.  I don’t think that will ever change. 

I assume they were trying to figure out how to get him his final undergrad credits before the fall so he could grad transfer.  Maybe that’s still an option, although Davis wanting to also go through the draft process probably precludes that.

jmblue

April 23rd, 2024 at 7:14 PM ^

The sophomores we miss out on because admissions/academic departments are stingy about credit transfers from similar schools is frustrating,

This shouldn't come up too often.  Introductory courses generally will transfer over.  It's upperclass credits that are more problematic.

jmblue

April 23rd, 2024 at 7:21 PM ^

Maybe it's a little easier for May to work through this since he was casting a wide net (We need everything) whereas Juwan was usually looking for a specific skill-set and had less options

Hmm, I'd say just the opposite - that May seems to have a clearer vision of what he wants from his team.  In three weeks he's put together what looks like our most coherent roster in a few years.

drjaws

April 23rd, 2024 at 3:57 PM ^

6 seed? That would be amazing. I would be thrilled with a +0.500 record in the B1G and a battle for any seed.

I’m honestly just happy we have enough people on the roster to play games next year.

I loved the May hire and he is doing more than I thought we would be able to already.

Mostly I hope everyone has fun next year and they get orange slices at half time 

Amazinblu

April 23rd, 2024 at 3:59 PM ^

Fundamentals come to mind.   The scheme / style of play May wants to implement - with a solid assist / turnover ratio, etc.

Looking forward to the men's hoops season this fall.  But, football does begin before that.  And - there's a number of Spring sports where the Maize & Blue are fielding solid teams.  SO - I'll cheer on baseball, softball, both lacrosse teams, etc. - and - after those seasons wrap up - will plan for football and hoops.

Go Blue!

bighouseinmate

April 23rd, 2024 at 4:05 PM ^

The pessimism on this board about the mbb team is nuts considering who the head coach is as well as the transfers being brought in. I get that it will be a team of guys who’ve never played together before and that at many schools it just doesn’t work out. But, if they gel together and play as a team instead of a bunch of mercenaries, a 6 seed seems like a reasonable middle guess if what they could actually be. If they come together we’ll I could even squint and see a top 3-4 b1g team that could get a 4 seed. 

It all depends on how well May is at getting guys to play as a team. The talent is definitely there.

A Lot of Milk

April 24th, 2024 at 2:52 AM ^

“Considering who the coach is”

I’ve grown more optimistic about May since he was hired (Medved was my top realistic choice), but we have no idea who he really is. He’s had one very successful year and one pretty good year back-to-back. It’s possible he’s an excellent coach and those teams were a culmination of his coaching acumen. It’s also possible that he’s a terrible coach who hit on a very successful group of players that all meshed together. Both of those scenarios have happened many times over in college basketball. I really think it’s best to have zero expectations (or at least aim for more than 8 wins) given how unpredictable the sport is in general, and especially now. A lot more data is needed before we have any idea of what we have on our hands

mgoja

April 23rd, 2024 at 4:42 PM ^

If Sam Walters isn't a plus defender and rebounder at the 4, it would be awfully nice to have someone to plug into that spot when needed.  I think there are guys out there, but probably not enough minutes or NIL to go around.

MGoBlue96

April 23rd, 2024 at 4:51 PM ^

Well I mean yes, but part of what makes this feat so impressive isn't just getting enough players. May could have done that if they just wanted bodies by offering guys without good options, but to get a collection of players together with actual talent in such a short span is mind blowing.

dragonchild

April 23rd, 2024 at 6:04 PM ^

Teams take time to gel. As good as this roster is, first half of next season could be rough to watch. That’s not a knock on May; that’s just a realistic expectation.

meeashagin

April 23rd, 2024 at 6:42 PM ^

I'm extremely greatful that May is our bb coach...having said that I'm just not sure how to feel about an all new lineup year in year out.

I mean anyone thats an underclassmen and plays good will most likely be gone to Kansas, Kentucky and I guess now Arkansas too.

Or do you anticipate Michigan finally paying their top players to stay?

 

BursleysFinest

April 23rd, 2024 at 7:37 PM ^

Depends, I think the Michigan name and (hopefully) culture will be enough to keep from losing players and have continuity.

Before the exodus this year, the only real loss was Dickinson, and if we were a better team, I bet he stays.

Recruiting without the bag will always be an issue, but we've built talented teams without it.

J. Redux

April 23rd, 2024 at 6:50 PM ^

This season was a disaster, and while it's undeniably embarrassing for a loss to Michigan to be a boat anchor... keeping St. John's out of the tournament?  Couldn't happen to a nicer vampire.

Double-D

April 23rd, 2024 at 7:22 PM ^

Dusty May knows what he wants to run his system and he knows how to recruit.

The challenge of teaching these players to learn to play together is an opportunity to show how well he can coach.  He said he intends to win now and I believe him after watching the accomplishments of the last week.

This is all very exciting and somewhat incredible. My apathy is gone and I am interested in Michigan Basketball again.  

Sopwith

April 23rd, 2024 at 11:26 PM ^

Dusty May MacGyver'd that roster together like there was a ticking time bomb in the room. A couple scraps of tin foil, some Q-tips, an old newspaper, some duct tape, an old soup can... and voila, a functional Doppler radar. 

nerv

April 24th, 2024 at 1:59 AM ^

I feel like the floor is a NIT squad minus catastrophic injuries. This is a remarkable turnaround from where the program was a month ago.

MGoBlue96

April 24th, 2024 at 6:21 AM ^

I am just happy that both UM football and basketball have young energetic coaches, seems like that will serve them well in the long haul in the current environment.

Angry-Dad

April 24th, 2024 at 9:56 AM ^

If they are on the bubble at the end of the season it will be a success.  Even a play in game would be worth celebrating. A near miss and a decent NIT run would not be bad.