We all need to think of the situation this way: JH was fired after the dismal 2020 season and the new coach hired to replace him was JH.
There is no way Harbaugh could put together this type of coaching staff without some ability to assure these coaches that this isn't a one year thing.
If you supported JH all along, great for you.
For the many ready for a coaching change, just mentally pretend that JH was fired and replaced with JH.
That's what I'm doing. It helps me accept that this is likely the situation.
Having said that, great hire today to go along with the other great hires.
JH's rebuild is going along nicely.
The horse's name is Friday
Miss Lippy's car is green
The walrus was Paul.
I know we're in a pandemic, but all-drink-all-day seems to have become a way of life. Ice up.
Maybe we should never fire any coach and always imagine that it's somebody new doing the job every year... or maybe the edibles are just kicking in.
Okay I'm game. Juwan gets to be a 20 year coaching veteran then. Deal.
20? Since we know Juwan Howard is really just Phil Martelli try 40+
This is actually not a bad way to mentally prepare oneself for the upcoming season. That we finally shit-canned the guy who couldnt beat OSU, went 3-3 against some terrible MSU teams, only one one bowl game in six seasons and never won a B1G Championship despite have virtually unlimited resources at his disposal to do so.
On the other hand I have to ask why the hell would we hire a B1G coach with an 0-6 record against OSU, no championships, no winning record against MSU, only one bowl game in six seasons and coming off a 2-4 record????
Now I'm mad at Warde instead of Harbaugh.
0-5 vs tOSU. Don’t make it any worse.
-1 for "tOSU"...
WTF, man? That's a thing made up by some OSU grad during a MNF intro more than a dozen years ago. Why give them credit for something an alumni made up?
While I agree with the ridicule of using "tOSU" are you really arguing that universities/colleges should not recognize things done by their alumni??? If so, that really sucks for an accomplished school with accomplished alumni like.......Michigan.
"The" was added as the official school name in 1878, and added to the logo in 1986. While you are partially right that it was added more than a dozen years ago (way more than a dozen), it wasn't made up by some OSU grad on Monday Night Football.
True, was way before a dozen years ago and the marketing push began in the late 1980s. "tOSU" was used in the 1990s on early-internet message boards to distinguish from the 3 OSUs:
- tOSU
- OkSU
- OrSU
Has nothing to do with MNF.
tOSU looks fucking stupid. It’s perfect
I agree with you. But I think State just picked you off again.
I see what you did there, but 34(?) years later...too soon!
That was well before I beat tOSU in the shoe, followed that with a Rose Bowl Win against USC and Rodney Peete. Not a bad way to end the season with zero picks. Tried to make it epic like the game winner in the Outback Bowl against Alabama the previous year.
It’s worse than that. Another “OSU” trademarked OSU thus the other ones were forced to make a changes; this gave birth to tOSU to get around that.
FU T Boone Pickens. The other OSU was Oklahoma State that got tied of being called O-State.
Exactly.
None of this makes any sense if this isn't at least a two year rebuild.
I suppose it's possible JH asked Warde for time and he said, "ok but you gotta take a 50% pay cut" thinking JH might quit.
Instead, he says "great."
You could just try not being mad for once? Maybe?
It's called "humor" Timmmaay. A joke. Something to make people smile in a completely silly thread. And I was VERY positive in the Clinkscale thread - you were the only one that found something negative in my comment.
Lighten up. You're definitely Mr. Grumpypants today.
Not grumpy, just tired of so much melancholy bs on the board day after day.
I'm sure your constant joy and enthusiasm will make the difference!!!
Now I'm simply sedate and indifferent instead of melancholy. Thank you!
the joy of basketball season is behind us. melancholy is the only rational response to the upcoming football season. anything else is a delusion.
Hypothetically speaking, who could we have hired in the off-season with a better resume than Harbaugh that you would have been really happy with Warde for hiring? I hear a bunch of people saying that there were options out there, but I’ve never actually heard anyone that would have been an immediate upgrade over Harbaugh that had a shot at actually coming here
I don't think a single person outside of the Harbaugh Cult would get mad at hiring Matt Campbell.
Since you called it a Harbaugh cult, I’m assuming you’re just not rational and I won’t take anything you say seriously. Also, I’m not sure the guy who just signed an extension instead of accepting any of the numerous job openings was actually an option for us. I know that makes me part of some sort of Harbaugh cult in your eyes, but I don’t actually care about your opinion
I think Matt Campbell is vastly overrated on these boards, but I know I'm in the minority there.
I'm interested to see what he does this year, if he has a similar year I'll be happy to admit I was wrong.
I think the entire starting unit on both sides is coming back (something like 20 out of 22 starters or what not). They should be good. Brock Purdy isn't that good. He single-handedly cost them their first Big 12 title since 1912. So my guess is they roughly duplicate this year.
The best indicator will be the game against Iowa. Campbell is 0-4 vs Iowa, despite having recruiting classes in similar ranges (over Campbell's tenure)......and his predecessor winning 3 out of the previous 5 games vs Iowa. Iowa State is also the 34th most profitable program in the nation (as of 2020).
Also, fun fact: Matt Campbell gets paid 3 times as much as Brian Kelly (Notre Dame's head coach).
This will be Campbell's 6th season at Iowa State, so this program is completely his, at this point. Let's see how that Iowa game goes.
Matt Campbell has accomplished more at Iowa St. than Jim Harbaugh has at Michigan. It's a simple fact.
I gotta put my glasses on. I read your name as Pornhub.
Don't lie. I saw you go bar-down in the All-Star game the other night. Eight goals in that game. Man, how do you do it?
It's not a fact. He has no conference hardware and has a lower winning percentage.
The Matt Campbell obsession is unwarranted, imo.
we'd eat him alive in two seasons after he lost to OSU
Based off of what Harbaugh has done here the last 6 seasons, there are numerous coaches we could have hired that have done better. Harbaugh has been here 6 years. After six years you are what you are. Doesn't matter what you did at your prior stops.
In the same way your superior could care less what your accomplishments were 6 years ago and prior. They want to know what you have done currently and what you will do to fix the problems that are evident with performance.
It's not a question of finding someone "with a better resume than" the person that you've decided isn't getting it done. It's only a matter of finding someone you're comfortable with. Back in 2015, Harbaugh was a candidate EVERYONE was comfortable with, and also had the best resume available - by a mile. But now that equation is gone.
So, if you (you=Warde) decide it's over, the only thing to do is start over by finding someone you're comfortable with. You cannot compare resumes from 2015 with resumes from today. You can, however, compare today's resume with today's resume. And, in doing so, finding someone to replace JH wouldn't be that difficult.
It's a crapshoot - hiring anyone, in any business, is going to be a crapshoot. But if you've decided what you have isn't working, then you move on and try again.
Correct!!! Harbaugh's "resume'" is no longer what he did in San Fran or Stanford. His current resume' is that of the last 6 years at Michigan. That is the correct comparison.
None of the options had better resumes, but hiring a coach is about projection as much as anything. It's not hard to see that Harbaugh seems to be on the downswing of his career, while a guy like Matt Campbell is on the up and up.
How was Carr's final seasons compared to the "up and up" guy named Rich Rodriguez? How about the "up and up" Brady Hoke?
If you had a chance to go back in time.....would you keep Carr or go after the "up and up" guys?
*Before you answer....I HIGHLY encourage you to go look at what Rodriguez was doing, at West Virginia (winning multiple conference championships, finishing in the top 10 three consecutive years, and almost played for the national championship, before coming to Michigan). Rodriguez was a HELL OF A LOT more accomplished and revered than what Campbell is currently*
Actually, we fired the guy that went 2-2 against MSU and 0-3 against OSU and rehired the guy that went 1-1 against MSU and 0-1* against OSU.
Geez, you sound like me, but you better stop being so negative as KW will get upset.
Defense is being revamped. I'll give them time. But my expectation is to see improvement as the season progresses. If it's not coming together by the end of the season, then I think he needs to go.
OC has been here for 3 seasons, we have a talented line, a stable of RBs, and receivers led by Ronnie Bell and a young crop who've shown they can MAKE PLAYS. They better score. QB situation is Harbaugh's making - they ran the two upperclassmen off campus over the last 2 off seasons. If Cade isn't the guy and JJ isn't ready, that's on Harbaugh/Gattis. He doesn't get another year if the O has growing pains in year 3 against Western.
Finally, in 2017 we were competitive in The Game with our 3rd string QB. O better score. D better be better. We better be competitive in The Game heading into the 4th quarter.
That's how I'm evaluating this season.
I feel the same way. We all know the defense won't be good and I can live with them showing improvement throughout the season. In light of that, there is no excuse for Harbaugh not to throw caution to the wind and try to score as many points as possible as fast as they can. Not considering wins and losses, these are my measuring sticks for the year: Will we pepper our two our three best offensive skill players with as many touches as possible instead of trying to get 4 running backs, 3 tight ends and 5 WR touches against teams worth a shit? Will we able to consistently (relative to our peers) be able to throw the ball down the field? Will we use real tempo? Can we manage the clock correctly? Can we do all this and keep turnovers in check and the QB healthy?
Barring some horrific loss to someone not named OSU I can live with the coaching staff provided the answer to the majority of my questions is "yes". However, I have my doubts.
... there is no excuse for Harbaugh not to throw caution to the wind and try to score as many points as possible as fast as they can.
Or, at crunch time, will Harbaugh revert to trying to smash the ball up the middle, like he's still got Jamie Morris running behind Elliott and Hammerstein, circa 1985?
Don't tell me how to think
Funny that in the Clinkscale thread you just told people to stop posting their snowflake threads and then you follow it up with this...
It's perfectly consistent.
That's my entire point. There is no bar for JH to clear this year. He's going to get at least two years to do this.
Posting snowflake threads arguing over whether 8-4 is good enough or 7-5 are dumb because this is going to be at least two years no matter what.