OSU coaches teaching their WRs to get open via OPI
https://twitter.com/coachkeeosu/status/1064147632388493313?s=21
Saw this on the r/CFB Reddit and thought it was not only typical cheating OSU, but also very worrying for Saturday based on how much man to man we play. They're teaching their receivers to pull on the CB's jersey in an effort to spin them around and to slow them down. You can see at the end of the video what this can result in (a wide open receiver and free TD). This seems like textbook offensive pass interference to me, so let's hope the refs call this
November 19th, 2018 at 12:07 AM ^
Lol you'll be shocked to learn what Michigan's defensive coaches teach the defensive backs.
November 19th, 2018 at 1:19 AM ^
The TV announcers for the Michigan versus Penn State game said Coach Franklin made sure the officials knew about some of the little things our DBs do to help them defend receivers.
They gave him credit when PSU got rewarded with an early pass interference call against Michigan after Metellus used one of those tactics.
Therefore I hope our coaches are making sure the officials know about the little things the OSU WRs are doing to help them get open against defenders.
November 19th, 2018 at 9:34 AM ^
Yeah, it's a little hypocritical to discuss "rubbin' is racin'" in every game recap and pick on this. Most teams teach DBs and WRs how to use their hands to get open/close gaps without getting caught.
November 19th, 2018 at 10:12 AM ^
Go ahead and shut down this thread. This comment is perfect.
November 19th, 2018 at 12:08 AM ^
This ain’t gonna help them one bit. They are desperate and in trouble.
November 19th, 2018 at 12:14 AM ^
Well if it is OPI good thing it's being shown in public this week so the coaches can tell the officials to be on the look out for it.
November 19th, 2018 at 12:28 AM ^
that chart showing the lack of holding penalties was brilliant in the middle of the season.
November 19th, 2018 at 12:49 AM ^
Do we know yet what Ohio fanboyz will be wearing stripes?
November 19th, 2018 at 5:50 AM ^
We have a BS 3rd rate conference if we have refs from Ohio for a game of this magnitude again.
Most high school conferences wouldn't allow that kind of nonsense.
November 19th, 2018 at 8:18 AM ^
At least we got O'Neill out of the way last weekend
November 19th, 2018 at 8:18 AM ^
I am sure our whole fanbase was pissed in 2016. Harbaugh has learned to control his emotions. If that crap happens again this year, I don't know if he is going to hold up. I sure won't. I probably should watch the game afterwards and not follow during the game. Please God. Let us have a fair game.
November 19th, 2018 at 9:40 AM ^
I think our mistakes costs us the game in 2016 more than anything. Michigan should have put that game away before the 4th.
November 19th, 2018 at 12:19 AM ^
This looks like part of the cat and mouse games offense and defense all play with each other. On the bright side, M's DB's play much handsier than that and probably wouldn't be affected by it, but OSU's DB's with their bail technique would be very susceptible to that little tug.
November 19th, 2018 at 12:21 AM ^
I like this, someone needs to retweet this to Jim McElwain and Roy Roundtree.
November 19th, 2018 at 12:52 AM ^
I agree, someone has to tweet at Zordich and Brown as well for sure. Or someone over there talk to them. It's an uphill battle the way it is with these refs today.
November 19th, 2018 at 2:05 AM ^
I'm hoping the team had the flu Saturday and gave it to O'Neil and his goons.
November 19th, 2018 at 6:09 AM ^
That guy has it in for Michigan. This past weekend sealed it for me. Seeing him is a legitimate reason for Michigan fans to worry. It is obvious to me that he does not like Harbaugh.
November 19th, 2018 at 12:35 AM ^
I agree. it also seemed like it worked better against a DB playing zone, that had his eyes and hands away from the receiver. Also, Brandon Watson does it better.
November 19th, 2018 at 12:28 AM ^
I miss the tear-away jerseys of the '70s.
November 19th, 2018 at 1:56 AM ^
Or the Adidas basketball jerseys.
November 19th, 2018 at 12:44 AM ^
Hartline has taught them a few tricks of the trade. Just imagine the things Zach Smith taught them.
November 19th, 2018 at 6:58 AM ^
How do you teach someone to be Borderline?
November 19th, 2018 at 9:08 AM ^
How do you teach a group of football players (yeah, they're WRs, but still) to strap on a ball lifter? I mean, how do you even bring that up in the locker room?
November 19th, 2018 at 10:49 AM ^
That would be Offensive Penile Insertion not offensive pass interference.
Too soon? Too far? Maybe...
November 19th, 2018 at 12:48 AM ^
Let me see if I get this right. OSU needed little tricks like that to beat powerhouses like Nebraska and Maryland? And they thought it was a good idea to put that film out there for our coaches to point out to the refs? I don't see the upside for OSU doing this.
November 19th, 2018 at 12:58 AM ^
There is an upside. It's called their lack of brains.
November 19th, 2018 at 7:58 AM ^
I worry though when I see something that seems so blatantly stupid. It makes me wonder if I'm too stupid to see the genius behind said thing.
November 19th, 2018 at 1:10 AM ^
It’s hilarious reading the replies. Bunch of buckeye honks saying shit like “great technique!” Um, it’s offensive holding. That is against the rules. I suppose OSU gets a free pass, as they seemingly usually do.
EDIT: I tweeted it to Don, Jim, and the Big Ten. I doubt they see it, but it was worth the effort just in case they do. Everyone should be tweeting this to them.
November 19th, 2018 at 1:37 AM ^
Tweeted them.
November 19th, 2018 at 6:02 AM ^
There is at the very least some GA who follows this page I'm sure. I'm also pretty confident some Buckeye personnel hang out on here too. . .
The info will get to the necessary authorities
November 19th, 2018 at 1:57 AM ^
Clever move but really a non story. WR/DB coaches are always looking to push the envelope on what they can get away with. It would be negligent to simply teach to the letter of the law. As long as no one is getting hurt, the rules are what they enforce, not what they write.
I had the fortune to sit through an afternoon of coaching seminars with Urban Meyer at a coaches clinic back when he was the WR coach at ND and he openly discussed how he taught his WRs to grab DBs without getting called. All of the coaches thought it was brilliant. I hate Ohio, and I wish they would get nailed for a 1/3 of all the cheating they do, but this is a simple case of rubbing is racing. Nothing to see here other than good coaching.
November 19th, 2018 at 5:08 AM ^
When I played soccer, when I was running down a player I'd grab his wrist and tug as we were going rather than grab his jersey. Jerseys are way to obvious if you are pulling, but when I tugged on the opposing players arm, this looked like he was pushing back on me as much as my tugging at him. I never got called for anything. It was a small thing that'd help me get the ball. I wasn't coached this, but I am sure there are tons of little tricks like that in the competitive levels to give a player an upper hand.
November 19th, 2018 at 7:52 AM ^
My experience is that the best coaches (I had) taught how to push the envelope, here. There is both a physical and a psychological advantage to be gained. There are rules...there are officials...play hard and play smart.
November 19th, 2018 at 9:11 AM ^
After watching football the past couple of years I believe that there is no such thing as pass interference nowadays. What these DBs get away with now is amazing, Referees just call it when they feel like it or something. I dont know, I remember a time when getting to a receiver a little early or grabbing his hands WAS pass interference and was called all the time, nowadays you basically have to tackle a player to be called for pass interference.
November 19th, 2018 at 2:05 AM ^
Don't throw stones if you live in a glass house.
November 19th, 2018 at 3:53 AM ^
Never forget
November 19th, 2018 at 6:51 AM ^
This deserves its own thread.
November 19th, 2018 at 7:03 AM ^
And I had almost forgot how pissed I was two years ago. Thanks for that.
November 19th, 2018 at 7:11 AM ^
A few of those they pointed out where really weak. But overall, we definitely got the short end of the stick with officiating. When I watch that I get more frustrated that we had Samuel 10 yards behind the line and let him run all over the field and almost get a first down. If it was 4th and 15 instead of 4th and 1, we probably win that game.
November 19th, 2018 at 8:32 AM ^
Blood is boiling again... Why did I watch this again? Saturday has to be different...
November 19th, 2018 at 10:06 AM ^
God, that video makes me sick to my stomach
November 19th, 2018 at 6:28 AM ^
rubbin’s racin’.
every wr coach in america (yes, including ours) is teaching their receivers something similar.
November 19th, 2018 at 7:08 AM ^
Are you that annoying guy who sits two rows behind me and screams "stop cheating" every time the refs throw a flag on the opponent?
This is not even remotely cheating.
November 19th, 2018 at 7:34 AM ^
We’ve always had to play against OSU AND the refs. We’ll have to beat both again.
November 19th, 2018 at 8:05 AM ^
Realistically, we're the only Big Ten team with a chance at making it to the CFPs, right? So the Big Ten, and Delaney, should be on our side, right?
I won't hold my breath.
November 19th, 2018 at 10:30 AM ^
This thought has been ruminating around my brain as well. More of a hypothesis that the game will be called much more fairly this year, but B1G egos are a fickle lot.
I will believe it when it happens.
November 19th, 2018 at 8:15 AM ^
Where is Franklin on this issue ?
November 19th, 2018 at 9:44 AM ^
Calling timeout to think about it.
November 19th, 2018 at 8:22 AM ^
And by the way, PLAN FOR MARTELL.
November 19th, 2018 at 8:32 AM ^
I'm almost certain we teach our WR group similar tactics in the never ending quest to gain a slight edge. If we don't then I'd be disappointed with the staff. You can clearly see our DBs deploy subtle wrist holds and jersey tugs during slo-mo replays of contested down field passes. Does that mean Zordich is a cheater?