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Brian November 8th, 2019 at 1:19 PM

In which we respond with Seinfeld gifs. Ohio State's Chase Young has been suspended for taking money from someone last year. The Michigan Twitter response to this has been 1) assert that Young will be back for the Michigan game because nothing ever goes wrong for them, 2) bitch about NCAA rules being stupid, and 3) post Seinfeld gifs.

Excellent work, everyone.

Young asserts that he got a loan (it was not a loan) from a "family friend I've known since the summer before [his] freshman year" (agent, why do you think that timeline is exculpatory, agent agent agent) and that he repaid it (because the payment was about to become public knowledge and repaying it helps him get his eligibility back). This is the kabuki dance dictated by the NCAA abasement ritual, and OSU knows its steps well.

I have questions: why is this coming out now? Is this like the Pryor thing where the one idiot in the OSU fanbase who thinks everything is on the up and up courageously emails the head coach? Or is there a disgruntled booster? How much of a toddler do you have to be to be an OSU booster who is disgruntled in any way? Isn't it slightly convenient that whoops this suspension is for Maryland and probably Rutgers but obviously not PSU and Michigan?

UPDATE: Ah.

I don't think it helps Young's case for reinstatement. Yes, I think NCAA rules should be changed. No, I'm not above hoping OSU gets burnt by them.

[After the JUMP: Devin Bush's fashion sense remains undefeated]

No redshirt necessary. Josh Uche was listed as a redshirt junior on our depth chart by class because we believed he could get a season of eligibility back after only playing in four early-season games as a freshman before being sidelined. That point appears to be moot:

A guy with Uche's ability off the edge was always going to be of significant interest to the NFL.

Note that Sean McKeon and Carlo Kemp are in a similar situation: both are technically seniors but only played in four games as freshmen and did not play any in the second half of the season, so they could get fifth years.

Back? Chris Evans tweeted out something that seemed like good news about his ability to return next year, and some teammates picked up on it:

Ethan Sears pinged the department to see if there had been any official movement on Evans. The answer was no. Best guess: there is a path for Evans to get back that he's on but he hasn't gotten all the way down it.

Devin Bush remains uncompromising. He was on the Rich Eisen show to discuss his rookie year and last year's MSU game came up. After bringing up 93 total yards a couple times, he seamlessly pivoted to fashion:

“It was so bad though, you see the jerseys they started wearing? You didn’t see their new jerseys? They got these neon jerseys that say ‘state’ across the front of them and I don’t think – I wouldn’t have made that design. I would have made that in the dark, for real.”

This is clear evidence that The Youth do not like uniformz and I will treasure it always.

Yowza. TSN's Craig Button has put out an early top X list for the 2021 NHL draft featuring three Michigan commits:

  • #2 Owen Power, currently with the Chicago Steel in the USHL. He's 6'5" and amongst the league's top-scoring D in his draft –1 year.
  • #8 Luke Hughes, who is a Hughes. Currently with the NTDP U17s. Stunning HockeyFact™: he is teammates with Jack Hughes, who is another guy named Jack Hughes and not his brother who went first overall in the most recent draft.
  • #10 Kent Johnson, currently leading the BCHL in scoring by a million miles in his D–1 year.

Usually high-end players arrive in college just after they've been drafted, but occasionally they will spend their draft year in the NCAA either because they've accelerated their schooling (Zach Werenski) or just happen to not have their school and draft years match up (IIRC, Quinn Hughes). So: both Power and Johnson were announced as members of the 2020 class and should arrive next fall, because you don't put off top-ten players in any circumstance. Hughes should be a 2021.

With a couple of undeniable guys and a couple of NTDP players, the clown-car mystery that has long been the 2020 hockey recruiting class is now getting clearer. Michigan has 9 slots before attrition, two of which are probably walk-on-ish since Adam Winborg and Shane Switzer are healthy scratch types. 7-ish of these spots are spoken for:

  • G Erik Portillo will fill Hayden Lavigne's spot. Portillo was a third-round pick last year.
  • The three D spots will probably go to Power, NTDP defenseman Jacob Truscott, and 1999 Jake Harrison, who followed Mel from a Tech commit and will be out of junior eligibility after this season.
  • The F spots are more up in the air. Two will go to Johnson and NTDP F Thomas Bordeleau. Cassidy Bowes is another 1999 who's got to end up in college next year and has announced a commit to M.

Then you've got two spots for six F commits unless there's attrition. Brendan Brisson (C-ranked by the CSB), Patrick Guzzo (same), Josh Groll (leading the USHL in goals in the early going) and Philippe Lapointe (Martin Lapointe's son) are ahead of the other two guys. A half-dozen guys are going to be deferred, a practice so widespread that it must be understood as a possibility when these guys commit.

There usually is attrition but this is a highly unusual M roster with only 3 drafted Fs: Jack Becker, Eric Ciccolini, and Johnny Beecher. Only Beecher was a high pick and he's the kind of large F who takes a while to develop. I'd guess that if there is attrition it's more about playing time than the NHL.

Over the next few years the hockey roster is going to change pretty radically in its composition. 2020 is the first real Mel class thanks to the extended recruiting horizons in college hockey, and it's probably going to be 2-3 overage guys and then a lot of talented guys in their draft year or D+1. I don't think any more Lake State transfers are incoming.

Good lord. Desmond Howard had the greatest punt return season in NFL history, and it's not close.

Etc.: "It is becoming more and more alarming that the season is nearly over and no one in charge of college football is going to do anything to pit Northwestern and Rutgers against each other." Ben Mathis-Lilley on the fanbases of college football and their unique ability to be miserable. Maybe we could talk about this on the podcast! Don't click here. Nate Wells on what Yost seems like from outside the fanbase.

Theo Mackie on Nico Collins; basketball went fast in the opener.

Comments

yossarians tree

November 8th, 2019 at 2:44 PM ^

That Slate article re toxic fanbases is spot on. Not only is an 11-1 season with a Rose Bowl victory not celebrated, it is disappointing. Fire everyone! I suppose it's natural for partisans of teams (in particular alumni) to have a knee-jerk response after a tough loss. The people that I want to smack repeatedly are the pundits (Finebaum, Valenti) who have absolutely zero ties to a place like Michigan, and yet they react with seemingly moral outrage with each Michigan loss and conclude with utter disdain that "Harbaugh should be fired." What the fuck difference does it make to them?

Well, in Valenti's case he actually does have a vested interest because he knows that Harbaugh has now completely flipped the MSU rivalry and they are going back to the Dark Ages where they belong.

AlbanyBlue

November 8th, 2019 at 3:12 PM ^

In Valenti's case, he's just a giant dick on the air, taking whatever position will create the most outrage -- and thus texts / calls. That and anything that will piss off Michigan fans. 

Question is: Is he a dick in real life? He talks about going to Saratoga race course, so if he likes betting on horses, he can't be all bad in my book...but damn.

Dizzy

November 8th, 2019 at 2:47 PM ^

Young is a great player who should be fairly compensated for his skills, but given the current rules that the NCAA has in place, both he and Ohio State should be held accountable for their actions. 

Loss of scholarship, removal from the program, and a third party investigation would make sense to me. 

Given Ohio State's history with impermissible benefits for their student athletes, this event only adds more credibility to the notion that The Ohio State University has a lack of institutional control. 

Mongo

November 8th, 2019 at 2:49 PM ^

How does one pay back a loan when one has no money in the first place?  And BTW, who is paying that high priced lawyer CY has retained?  That dirt ball lawyer is on the Chase Young gravy train as well.  I mean his "free" services are a loan as well ... no ?

Michigan Arrogance

November 8th, 2019 at 2:51 PM ^

oh man, the Don't Click Here was brutal. You guys wanna see a dead body? Click the link/ Pretty graphic tho.

The young situation sounds like if he repays the loan he's back in kind of thing doesn't it?

Mongo

November 8th, 2019 at 3:10 PM ^

Friend of friend is the agent, but not the friend ...

More on Chase Young situation:

– Loan was not from Agent

– It was paid back before situation became public

– He was truthful from start

– With precedent I would expect somewhere between 1-2 game suspension…fact that it was not agent and loan was paid back will be key

— Joel Klatt (@joelklatt) November 8, 2019

Just a Gene Smith mouth piece.  Agents never work directly with NCAA athlete, they aren't stupid and always work through a "friend" of the family.  This is getting silly ...

Joel, no one is THAT gullible

andrewgr

November 9th, 2019 at 7:56 PM ^

Oh, I dunno, maybe his freakin' parents might have been able to scrape together the cost of a plane ticket and hotel room in the 4 months between when the loan was received and when it was repaid? 

Or maybe he used his NCAA approved stipend that all D1 scholarship players receive?

It's a really close contest between Christians and Sports Fans when it comes to blatant displays of hypocrisy.  If this was a UM player, you'd be able to think up a dozen ways a 20 year old can scrape together a couple thousand bucks in four months.

Wolverine 73

November 8th, 2019 at 3:25 PM ^

It is really hard for me to get into hockey recruiting and even the team because the rules with regard to the draft, and junior or minor league hockey and whatever else seem to make everything so completely unpredictable.  

AWAS

November 8th, 2019 at 3:31 PM ^

If I tell you a lie, and you believe it, it becomes the truth.

If I tell you a lie, and you believe it, I will tell you another one.

 

No worries. The NCAA and OSU administration are on the case.

Erik_in_Dayton

November 8th, 2019 at 4:21 PM ^

I hope Carlo Kemp comes back. It would be nice to have some depth at DL next year. And he's been pretty good this year to my eye.

I hope Evans can make it back too. He seems like a generally good guy despite his mistake.

As for Young, I just can't get worked up about that stuff anymore. The system is such a disaster that it's hard to even want it to be coherent. Hopefully the changing licensing rules will improve things.

Ihatebux

November 8th, 2019 at 4:35 PM ^

Brian - As far as 2020 hockey recruits, you may want to check on BCHL D Steve Holtz.   He played for Youngstown Phantoms for 2 years and was deferred this year by UM.   Mel called him and told him he will be on next years team.

jsquigg

November 8th, 2019 at 8:19 PM ^

Fuck Chase Young and fuck Ohio State.  They've cheated for years and the NCAA to this point has responded by giving them a hand job.  I wish that entire program would burn.

andrewgr

November 9th, 2019 at 7:42 PM ^

This post is beneath you, Brian.  You know as well as I do that we do not know whether Young borrowed money from a family friend or took money from an agent, yet you are declaring as fact that the numerous sources that say it was a friend are wrong, and the single Twitter source reporting (with no sources or evidence) that it was an agent is right.

You would not have done this five years ago.  It's petty, dishonest, and far too amateurish for the standard you and this website have set almost from the site's inception.

Even if this story turns out to be correct, it won't absolve you of having rushed to judgment on scant evidence.  It was badly done.

Chork

November 11th, 2019 at 12:03 PM ^

I'm in the "NCAA rules are stupid" camp as well.  The weird thing is that if Young needed a loan that he would be able to pay if off just like that.  I assume he got the $ to repay the loan from his family, so why not just get that $ in the first place?